You guessed it, more Q's about my 1st go around!

HeavierPlease

HeavierPlease

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Hey guys! Got a few (more) questions regarding my 1st time on a cycle! Just trying to get a feel for what's to be expected or ideas for some good strategy. Quick little background:
Age: 27
Weight: 188 lbs
Height: 5'10"
BF: 12%
Cycle: Test E @ 250mg 2x/wk, aromasin AI, nolva pct. Only a week in just as a point of reference.

1. So I guess I'm curious about this whole front loading thing with longer chain esters. Should I even bother with it? I guess maybe run 500mg 2x a week for this next (2nd) week to help saturate? Guess it's my impatience that's getting to me. Plus, just general understanding of things

2. Should I stick with 500mg/wk for 1st cycle? I've seen a fair amount of people suggest up to 750 mg a week. Seems unnecessary maybe?

3. So, I started my AI the same time as 1st pin. 12.5 mg of aromasin with it and my 2nd pin. I guess I felt like sides could kick in right away, yet I think I was experiencing low estrogen symptoms. I don't think it was test flu, based on what I read about it. I feel a lot better today. Now, I know blood work is ultimately the answer, but I'd like to wait til I was a little further in my cycle to do more. So, just out of people's experience, should I have waited to start my AI til after the 1st week? I read that people do that with longer chain esters and solo compounds. Or should I keep taking it with pins and lower dose? I have no idea how gyno prone I am. And as I said I guess I'm just looking for suggestions to try, before forking out more $$ for more bloods so soon.
 
Front loading will give you faster effects but you have to watch for estrogen spikes. I usually don’t mind waiting the 4-6 weeks for it to kick. I wouldn’t wait on the AI if you’re nervous drop it to 6.25 EOD. I listened to some advice on that my first cycle and the gyno came out of nowhere so be careful.
 
The Express 42 said:
Front loading will give you faster effects but you have to watch for estrogen spikes. I usually don’t mind waiting the 4-6 weeks for it to kick. I wouldn’t wait on the AI if you’re nervous drop it to 6.25 EOD. I listened to some advice on that my first cycle and the gyno came out of nowhere so be careful.
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I see. It's been a few days since I last took any, I feel a bit better. Still kind of tired. Perhaps I'll give that a go. Thanks dude
 
Frontloading comes with risks, one being a major cortisol crash thatll have you feeling sh1t for at least a few days.
 
I would rather taper up, starting at 250 twice aweek, and feeling that plateau and then increase the dose as you go based on results. Take advantage of your fresh receptors. Since you are 27, I would say the biggest concern is being able to get hpta back up. Maybe consider some hcg and or clomid on cycle to keep suppression at bay.
 
suavmcgauv said:
I would rather taper up, starting at 250 twice aweek, and feeling that plateau and then increase the dose as you go based on results. Take advantage of your fresh receptors. Since you are 27, I would say the biggest concern is being able to get hpta back up. Maybe consider some hcg and or clomid on cycle to keep suppression at bay.
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I have nolva for pct, but should I run it on cycle, too? And I have HCG on the way, although, I've read some people saying run It the whole cycle and some say add it in about half way, and run it til 2 weeks into Pct. Any suggestions or thoughts on that? My hpta is also a concern of mine, but I knew the risks before I started.
 
Mainly, to preserve the longerm funtion of your HTPA, you do not want to let testicular atrophy go too far. HCG is the best method I know of to keeping testes swol and producing. Clomid also stimultes LH as does Nolva, but to a much lesser degree, and if you have HCG, you dont need to take Clomid or nolva on-cycle, especially since you have aromasin to prevent gyno. HCG, I would start maybe a week or two in. My abdomen always begins too ache also and my balls generally ache. You can take it throughout, or just to prepare for PCT. Figure out what dosing will work best for your cycle length supply etc. Most importantly, you want to be be swol plump and producing as the androgens are leaving your system just before your pct, and then stop the hcg and begin with the Serms. That way you you factories are already up and prepared to produce as your hpta is ready to kicks back in in the abscence of exogenous androgens.
 
suavmcgauv said:
Mainly, to preserve the longerm funtion of your HTPA, you do not want to let testicular atrophy go too far. HCG is the best method I know of to keeping testes swol and producing. Clomid also stimultes LH as does Nolva, but to a much lesser degree, and if you have HCG, you dont need to take Clomid or nolva on-cycle, especially since you have aromasin to prevent gyno. HCG, I would start maybe a week or two in. My abdomen always begins too ache also and my balls generally ache. You can take it throughout, or just to prepare for PCT. Figure out what dosing will work best for your cycle length supply etc. Most importantly, you want to be be swol plump and producing as the androgens are leaving your system just before your pct, and then stop the hcg and begin with the Serms. That way you you factories are already up and prepared to produce as your hpta is ready to kicks back in in the abscence of exogenous androgens.
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Thank you! That was explained way better than I've been able to find! Most people were saying no need to worry about hcg with a test only cycle, or saying to run it closer to the end. It makes a lot of sense, the way you put it. Like I said it's on it's way thankfully, so I'll start running it along side my pins. 500ius 2x a week seems standard, yeah?
 
It all depends on the person with hcg
My balls barely shrink from a cycle and I bounce back quickly - had labs done
Everyone is different so gotta see for yourself. I know many don’t start hcg till like week 8
 
BloodManor said:
It all depends on the person with hcg
My balls barely shrink from a cycle and I bounce back quickly - had labs done
Everyone is different so gotta see for yourself. I know many don’t start hcg till like week 8
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Yeah, I guess it'll always come down to labs and individual responses, but that's the typical thing I've read. I have some coming in, just in case. Pretty excited overall for the experience
 
You run the risk with HCG of overstimulating your Leydig cells, which could cause long-term primary hypogonadism. This means you would have chronic low T because your leydig are less responsive to LH. For this reason, I would recommend starting low in dose and going up as needed. Yes, 500iu is a very typical dose and is probably safe, twice a week, you should be good. I usually spread mine out more,125iu eod or eod, just to have smaller pulses. Yes, people are right in saying that Test only cycle poses minimal risk in destroying your hpta for life, compared to 19nors, but, the better you can transition from on to off, the more gains you keep, the less time you spend in the dumps etc. Its all gonna shut you down, but Blood is right, everyone responds different. I have a friend who runs Sarm only cycles for like four months and says he doesn't ever feel shutdown. I would be lethargic after week 1.
 
For most first timers I recomen 300 to 375mg. I run 300mg and my test is over 2000. Front loading is a personal choice in my experience it works for me
 
suavmcgauv said:
You run the risk with HCG of overstimulating your Leydig cells, which could cause long-term primary hypogonadism. This means you would have chronic low T because your leydig are less responsive to LH. For this reason, I would recommend starting low in dose and going up as needed. Yes, 500iu is a very typical dose and is probably safe, twice a week, you should be good. I usually spread mine out more,125iu eod or eod, just to have smaller pulses. Yes, people are right in saying that Test only cycle poses minimal risk in destroying your hpta for life, compared to 19nors, but, the better you can transition from on to off, the more gains you keep, the less time you spend in the dumps etc. Its all gonna shut you down, but Blood is right, everyone responds different. I have a friend who runs Sarm only cycles for like four months and says he doesn't ever feel shutdown. I would be lethargic after week 1.
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Those gains are what we are all about, so definitely some reason there! I'll start it up as soon as it gets it. I look forward to pin days so I'll probably follow your routine. Sp is 500iu typical for the week? Or 1000? Most I've found is 1000ius spilt in two pins a week. Would that be overkill ya think? Over stimulating and all
 
HeavierPlease said:
You saying run 300mg/wk opposed to 500?
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Yes that would be my advice you don't need 500mg let alone 750mg is ludicrous for a first cycle. You will make plenty of gains off 300mg. Like I said I'm running 300mg and my last bloods done about 4 weeks ago show 2000+ for total test and 957 free test. I've been on this forum 15 years and seen many 1st timers very happy at that dose, If you can't gain on that amount you really need to take a step back and evaluate your diet and training.
 
Mixed up I believe is telling you how much Test to take per week.
My thought is no need to have everything set into stone as you start your cycle. Start your test and see how you feel. It is good to know how prone you are to shutdown, so I would let myself start to feel the shutdown before administering any HCG, then I would start small, and build to what is needed. I was using 125 ed for a while and it felt like too much. I began having testicular aches after hcg administration, dropped it for a couple days, and picked back up at 125 eod and feel this seems to be working better, and that is just under 500iu total per week. I am just advising of potential risks. Also I am blasing and cruzing and trying to avoid risks of longerm hcg use. One 5000IU bottle split into 10 shots in your cycle shouldnt harm you, and may be more effective. Just remeber to keep enough saved to get yourself kickstarted at the end of your cycle.
 
mixedup said:
Yes that would be my advice you don't need 500mg let alone 750mg is ludicrous for a first cycle. You will make plenty of gains off 300mg. Like I said I'm running 300mg and my last bloods done about 4 weeks ago show 2000+ for total test and 957 free test. I've been on this forum 15 years and seen many 1st timers very happy at that dose, If you can't gain on that amount you really need to take a step back and evaluate your diet and training.
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Agree with this. 750 is a ton!
 
suavmcgauv said:
Mixed up I believe is telling you how much Test to take per week.
My thought is no need to have everything set into stone as you start your cycle. Start your test and see how you feel. It is good to know how prone you are to shutdown, so I would let myself start to feel the shutdown before administering any HCG, then I would start small, and build to what is needed. I was using 125 ed for a while and it felt like too much. I began having testicular aches after hcg administration, dropped it for a couple days, and picked back up at 125 eod and feel this seems to be working better, and that is just under 500iu total per week. I am just advising of potential risks. Also I am blasing and cruzing and trying to avoid risks of longerm hcg use. One 5000IU bottle split into 10 shots in your cycle shouldnt harm you, and may be more effective. Just remeber to keep enough saved to get yourself kickstarted at the end of your cycle.
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I see. I'll definitely start lower, then. I only have a 5000iu vial so, that's why I was asking. I was like well **** I'll need more if 1000 a week is standard. I would assume I'm probably shut down by now. 2 weeks in. Being my 1st cycle I have no idea what shutdown feels like
 
mixedup said:
Yes that would be my advice you don't need 500mg let alone 750mg is ludicrous for a first cycle. You will make plenty of gains off 300mg. Like I said I'm running 300mg and my last bloods done about 4 weeks ago show 2000+ for total test and 957 free test. I've been on this forum 15 years and seen many 1st timers very happy at that dose, If you can't gain on that amount you really need to take a step back and evaluate your diet and training.
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I see. Maybe I'll drop it then and see what happens. I definitely wanted to ask about the 750 before doing that. I would've started at 300 if it had been recommended. Most everything I've seen has said 500 a week, so I just assumed that's par for the course after seeing it over and over again
 
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