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Question about Test E gains vs Porhormones.

hairygrandpa said:
If you want more size, you have to eat more, colitis -or not.
DIGESTION is the most overlooked factor when it comes to bulking -or getting bigger in general, no matter what PED is used. I would suggest Betaine HCL with every meal.
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Let’s talk about this for a sec, HGP. I take no supps really, this is only the second time I’m hearing this... tell me my more please.
 
Matthersby said:
Let’s talk about this for a sec, HGP. I take no supps really, this is only the second time I’m hearing this... tell me my more please.
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Betaine HCL is basically stomach acid in a capsule. We both know, that breaking down protein takes time for your stomach, also the reason we feel full after eating meat.
I think you got the picture. :)
 
Since were on the talk about diets.. maybe I can share with you an off-season plan I hadn’t once with an ifbb. I’m trying to do it again but it’s seriously a pain to get all the food in
 
MEAL 1 : 7 EGGS WHITES + 2 WHOLE EGGS 7 AM 1 ¼ CUP OF PLAIN OATMEAL(QUICK OATS)MEASURE DRY 1/8 CUP OF RAISENS NO SUGAR ADDED. MEAL 2: PROTEIN SHAKE) 2 SCOOPS 9:30 AM 1 MEDIUM BANANA
MEAL 3: 9 OZ GROUND TURKEY( MAKE INTO BURGERS AND WEIGH COOKED) 1 CUP OF BROWN RICE(MEASURED DRY) 2 TABLESPOONS OF OLIVE OIL. 12 NOON MEAL 4: 9 OZ OF STEAK
5 OZ POTATO W/ A LARGE SALAD 2:30 MEAL 5: 9 OZ OF GRILLED CHICKEN (WEIGH COOKED) 5 PM 10 OZ SWEET POTATO ½ CUP BROCCOLI OR STRING BEANS 2 TABLESPOONS OLIVE OIL
PREWORKOUT: 1 SCOOP OF PROTEIN W/ GATORADE 7PM
WALKING IN THE GYM (TAKE 1MR OR WHAT EVER ‘NO’ YOU LIKE)
POST: SHAKE W/ 8OZ GRAPE JUICE * ASAP AFTER TRAINING* 2SCOOPS OF WHEY ISOLATE(VANILLA GOES BEST W/ GRAPE JUICE 1 SCOOP OF GLUTAMINE MEAL : 6 10 OZ STEAK/SALMON/OR SWORDFISH 10 PM 1 CUP BROWN RICE MEASURED DRY 1 CUP GREAN VEGGIES MEAL 7 : SHAKE MADE W/ CASEIN (IF YOU CAN GET THIS IN) 1 TABLESPOON ALMOND BUTTER(DO NOT USE PEANUT BUTTER) 1 SCOOP GLUTAMINE
EAT TWO CHEAT MEALS PER WEEK( 1 CLEAN AND 1 DIRTY) , DRINK TWO GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY, BCAA’S CAN BE DRANK IN WITH UR WATER ALL DAY BUT AT LEAST MUST BE DRANK POST WORK OUT. L-CARNITINE, CALCIUM-MAGNESSIUM,FISH OILS(ALL AS DIRECTED ON BOTTLE) TAKE VEGGIE CAPS IF YOU ARE NOT EATING YOUR VEGGIES. YOU MAY ADD SALAD IN THE DIET WHERE EVER U LIKE ALONG WITH SOME CONDIMENTS.. 1500 TO 2000 MGS OF VITAMIN C , ALONG WITH SOME CRANBERRY TABS PER A HIGH PROTEIN DIET…….NOTE: YOU CAN OBVIOSLY CHANGE THESE TIMES TO MEET YOUR SCHEDULE AND WHAT EVER TIME YOU ARE WORKING OUT.
 
bradleyt1 said:
Since were on the talk about diets.. maybe I can share with you an off-season plan I hadn’t once with an ifbb. I’m trying to do it again but it’s seriously a pain to get all the food in
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My trick is: I switch water for whole milk when on a bulk. Also Betaine with meals. You will always hit your caloric goal -if you are not lactose intolerant.
 
bradleyt1 said:
MEAL 1 : 7 EGGS WHITES + 2 WHOLE EGGS 7 AM 1 ¼ CUP OF PLAIN OATMEAL(QUICK OATS)MEASURE DRY 1/8 CUP OF RAISENS NO SUGAR ADDED. MEAL 2: PROTEIN SHAKE) 2 SCOOPS 9:30 AM 1 MEDIUM BANANA
MEAL 3: 9 OZ GROUND TURKEY( MAKE INTO BURGERS AND WEIGH COOKED) 1 CUP OF BROWN RICE(MEASURED DRY) 2 TABLESPOONS OF OLIVE OIL. 12 NOON MEAL 4: 9 OZ OF STEAK
5 OZ POTATO W/ A LARGE SALAD 2:30 MEAL 5: 9 OZ OF GRILLED CHICKEN (WEIGH COOKED) 5 PM 10 OZ SWEET POTATO ½ CUP BROCCOLI OR STRING BEANS 2 TABLESPOONS OLIVE OIL
PREWORKOUT: 1 SCOOP OF PROTEIN W/ GATORADE 7PM
WALKING IN THE GYM (TAKE 1MR OR WHAT EVER ‘NO’ YOU LIKE)
POST: SHAKE W/ 8OZ GRAPE JUICE * ASAP AFTER TRAINING* 2SCOOPS OF WHEY ISOLATE(VANILLA GOES BEST W/ GRAPE JUICE 1 SCOOP OF GLUTAMINE MEAL : 6 10 OZ STEAK/SALMON/OR SWORDFISH 10 PM 1 CUP BROWN RICE MEASURED DRY 1 CUP GREAN VEGGIES MEAL 7 : SHAKE MADE W/ CASEIN (IF YOU CAN GET THIS IN) 1 TABLESPOON ALMOND BUTTER(DO NOT USE PEANUT BUTTER) 1 SCOOP GLUTAMINE
EAT TWO CHEAT MEALS PER WEEK( 1 CLEAN AND 1 DIRTY) , DRINK TWO GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY, BCAA’S CAN BE DRANK IN WITH UR WATER ALL DAY BUT AT LEAST MUST BE DRANK POST WORK OUT. L-CARNITINE, CALCIUM-MAGNESSIUM,FISH OILS(ALL AS DIRECTED ON BOTTLE) TAKE VEGGIE CAPS IF YOU ARE NOT EATING YOUR VEGGIES. YOU MAY ADD SALAD IN THE DIET WHERE EVER U LIKE ALONG WITH SOME CONDIMENTS.. 1500 TO 2000 MGS OF VITAMIN C , ALONG WITH SOME CRANBERRY TABS PER A HIGH PROTEIN DIET…….NOTE: YOU CAN OBVIOSLY CHANGE THESE TIMES TO MEET YOUR SCHEDULE AND WHAT EVER TIME YOU ARE WORKING OUT.
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Sorry it’s all jammed together but if you can see the times basically all 2.5 hours apart starting at 7am I believe.. proteins are measured cooked weight so 9-10 oz.. and rice is 1 cup dry so 2 cups cooked pretty much. A lot of friggin food.. but i think If I gave it a go maybe some serious gains can be made..
 
bradleyt1 said:
Hey hairy grandpa check out the diet.. what you think..
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Not my pair of shoes. Everyone has to find out what works for them. Personally, at my age, I'm not as sensitive to insulin anymore. If I would eat 5+ meals a day, I would get fat (again), besides that would mean to have a lot of discipline (food preparation, schedules for eating with alarm clock and whatnot). My best approach as of today is intermittent fasting. Cut/recomp: one meal a day, consumed in a 2.5 hour window. Bulk: Whole milk instead of water, 3 huge meals a day, watching protein intake closely.
 
BTW, I don't have a protocol WHAT to eat -but I sure know what NOT to eat. :) Not a fan of any plan, diet -nor workout.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Not my pair of shoes. Everyone has to find out what works for them. Personally, at my age, I'm not as sensitive to insulin anymore. If I would eat 5+ meals a day, I would get fat (again), besides that would mean to have a lot of discipline (food preparation, schedules for eating with alarm clock and whatnot). My best approach as of today is intermittent fasting. Cut/recomp: one meal a day, consumed in a 2.5 hour window. Bulk: Whole milk instead of water, 3 huge meals a day, watching protein intake closely.
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Yeah I totally felt like this type of diet was force feeding which I’m against.. i rather start slow and work my way up
 
bradleyt1 said:
Yeah I totally felt like this type of diet was force feeding which I’m against.. i rather start slow and work my way up
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Problem is, after a bulk you have to eat more than usual.
The "milk instead of water" will have you covered. Watch total calories, as milk has a lot.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Problem is, after a bulk you have to eat more than usual.
The "milk instead of water" will have you covered. Watch total calories, as milk has a lot.
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Chocolate milk, a lil Hershey's simply five in milk is nice for bulk. A little sugar won't kill ya, ok not too much.
 
look at this diet supposedly when Dallas mccarver was working with John o regan I believe. Gear or not how a human being can stomach this is beyond me!

dallas mccarver diet offseason under John o regan

An example of my Diet on say a leg day which is of course much higher calorie day would go as follows
6 am- 12 oz 93/7 lean ground beef, 4 whole eggs, 1 cup grits (pre cooked)
8 am- 14 oz chicken, 14oz white potato, 1 cup broccoli, 1 tbsp olive oil
10 am- 3 scoop syntha 6, 1.5 cup oats, 1/4 cup walnuts
12 pm- 14 oz top sirloin, 14oz white pot, 1 cup asparagus, 1 tbsp oilve oil
2 pm- train quads
330 pm- post workout shake 100grams carbs/ 2 scoops syntha-6 isolate, 1 cup white rice
5 pm- 14 oz chicken, 14 oz sweet pot
7 pm- 14 oz top sirloin, 14 oz white pot, 1 cup asparagus, 1 tbsp olive oil
9 pm- train hams and glutes
1030 pm- same post workout shake w/ 1 cup of white rice
1130 pm- 14 oz chicken/ 14 oz sweet pot
sleep till 2 am
when I wake up to pee I have 2 scoops of syntha-6
 
bradleyt1 said:
look at this diet supposedly when Dallas mccarver was working with John o regan I believe. Gear or not how a human being can stomach this is beyond me!

dallas mccarver diet offseason under John o regan

An example of my Diet on say a leg day which is of course much higher calorie day would go as follows
6 am- 12 oz 93/7 lean ground beef, 4 whole eggs, 1 cup grits (pre cooked)
8 am- 14 oz chicken, 14oz white potato, 1 cup broccoli, 1 tbsp olive oil
10 am- 3 scoop syntha 6, 1.5 cup oats, 1/4 cup walnuts
12 pm- 14 oz top sirloin, 14oz white pot, 1 cup asparagus, 1 tbsp oilve oil
2 pm- train quads
330 pm- post workout shake 100grams carbs/ 2 scoops syntha-6 isolate, 1 cup white rice
5 pm- 14 oz chicken, 14 oz sweet pot
7 pm- 14 oz top sirloin, 14 oz white pot, 1 cup asparagus, 1 tbsp olive oil
9 pm- train hams and glutes
1030 pm- same post workout shake w/ 1 cup of white rice
1130 pm- 14 oz chicken/ 14 oz sweet pot
sleep till 2 am
when I wake up to pee I have 2 scoops of syntha-6
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Well, a monster has to eat like a monster, LOL. If your goal is to become an animal, go for it. With kilograms of food comes grams of gear.
Unrealistic approach for the vast majority of us.
Just keeping the stomach fat at bay -while holding to hard earned muscles is a challenge, at least for me.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Well, a monster has to eat like a monster, LOL. If your goal is to become an animal, go for it. With kilograms of food comes grams of gear.
Unrealistic approach for the vast majority of us.
Just keeping the stomach fat at bay -while holding to hard earned muscles is a challenge, at least for me.
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I’m happy just looking like a Men’s Physique competitor. I have a life, that I like to enjoy, and I take plenty of drugs to look how I want. No desire to eat more or take more aas, unless just to reach a small goal. This the most selfish hobby one can enjoy, and for most, it’s a way of life, but everyone has their limits. I admire pros but not their lives.
 
Matthersby said:
I’m happy just looking like a Men’s Physique competitor. I have a life, that I like to enjoy, and I take plenty of drugs to look how I want. No desire to eat more or take more aas, unless just to reach a small goal. This the most selfish hobby one can enjoy, and for most, it’s a way of life, but everyone has their limits. I admire pros but not their lives.
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Honestly would say exactly this for me (although I’m not yet near the look id like). I justify what I take to myself on the basis I believe it’s healthier (having more lean mass/less bf) but there comes a point where the impact on health in the pursuit of size would start to be too big a negative.

I want to look like I care about my body (because I do) and of course I want women to fancy me and men to be that little bit jelly, but ultimately I want to be fit and healthy in my old age for my kids/grandkids
 
My goal is to look better than 99% of my age -and eventually carry my own coffin to my grave. I hate to look like all of my friends, walking hunched over like zombies, grey skin color, no butt cheeks and a beer gut.
 
Love all of the comments guys! It’s true this lifestyle we live is very extreme and we can really never be satisfied.. think about it we live for the gym and every time we look in the mirror we constantly say what is it I can improve on myself. I want more size ok then we’ll i have size now I have to lean out and back and forth.. and the drugs of course when is enough enough.. personally I have just been on my trt because to be honest I hat the idea of cycling.. I refuse to take any strong prohormones because it’s too short of ride.. what like 4-6 weeks will fly by then I have to stop.. it just feels like a waste in my mind to take something only to lose it.. because you can’t keep it all. Luckily I’m content with trt and have always been very conservative with this kind of stuff. But it is tempting
 
I’m with you. I’ll always push for longer at lower doses bc it’s more maintainable and stacked with a longer term lower dose injectable. I seem to keep it easier.

Lower dose + longer>high dose + shorter
 
Matthersby said:
I’m with you. I’ll always push for longer at lower doses bc it’s more maintainable and stacked with a longer term lower dose injectable. I seem to keep it easier.

Lower dose + longer>high dose + shorter
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Alot of people feel that gains began to stall out at the 8 week possibly due to myostatin
 
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