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51 day Var and Tor cycle.

K3flex

K3flex

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Finally starting this **** up. Will be doing Var, Toremifene for the last 30 days of the cycle, 15g of creatine, K1ngsguard, PEScience Trumulti, Phosphatidic acid, Arachidonic acid and fishoil. Sup3r PCT and Tore for PCT. Cycle will be 51 days long.

It looks like this:

Days 1-15: Var 50mg
Days 16-23: Var 60 mg, Tore 30mg starting the 21st day
Days 24-30: Var 60 mg, Tore 30 mg
Days 31-37: Var 60 mg, Tore 30 mg
Days 38-44: Var 70 mg, Tore 30 mg
Days 45-51: Var 70 mg, Tore 30 mg
PCT: K1ngsguard, Tore 30 mg

Been on keto for about 14 days, will be jumping off of that to add in some brown rice and sweet potato in the diet for the cycle. Probably pizza too ?. Will be updating every Saturday with weight, pictures and notes on the cycle. Will update measurements at the end of the cycle. Measurements were done in the morning.

Current weight: 187 lbs

Current measurements:
Shoulders: 48"
Chest: 43"
Waist: 34"
Arms - L: 15.25" R: 15.5"
Quads - L: 24" R: 23.5"
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Fourth day of 50mg Im feeling what I would think are back pumps. Horrible muscle ache in my lower back. Are back pumps typical for anavar and especially this early? I've always read the **** doesn't even kick in for about a week.
 
K3flex said:
Fourth day of 50mg Im feeling what I would think are back pumps. Horrible muscle ache in my lower back. Are back pumps typical for anavar and especially this early? I've always read the **** doesn't even kick in for about a week.
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In my experience it works very quickly. Day one notice increase in muscle fullness, strength etc. Var really isnt too bad as far as pumps go in my expereince but usually when I get them its because I'm not hydrated/ electrolytes are off.
 
Godstrength said:
In my experience it works very quickly. Day one notice increase in muscle fullness, strength etc. Var really isnt too bad as far as pumps go in my expereince but usually when I get them its because I'm not hydrated/ electrolytes are off.
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Yes I agree
Stay hydrated
 
Godstrength said:
In my experience it works very quickly. Day one notice increase in muscle fullness, strength etc. Var really isnt too bad as far as pumps go in my expereince but usually when I get them its because I'm not hydrated/ electrolytes are off.
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Alright good deal. Strength is off the hook as well. Pull day was a good one last night.
 
Why are you starting with tor so late? You'll get shutdown much sooner than that. Use tor from day one.
 
Jinsun said:
Why are you starting with tor so late? You'll get shutdown much sooner than that. Use tor from day one.
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The amount I got only gave the cability to start at day 21. I don't want to start it now and risk another bottle not getting here before my pct starts
 
I understand but... it's easier to keep your hpta up then it is bringing it up mid cycle (if that's possible to begin with, with so much var anyway). So I would risk it or just order some nolva or clomid for just in case. You can get those from any major UG in a one weeks time or less...
 
Jinsun said:
I understand but... it's easier to keep your hpta up then it is bringing it up mid cycle (if that's possible to begin with, with so much var anyway). So I would risk it or just order some nolva or clomid for just in case. You can get those from any major UG in a one weeks time or less...
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Alright sounds good. Will do
 
Jinsun said:
I understand but... it's easier to keep your hpta up then it is bringing it up mid cycle (if that's possible to begin with, with so much var anyway). So I would risk it or just order some nolva or clomid for just in case. You can get those from any major UG in a one weeks time or less...
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Do you think the toremifene protocol is correct? I have more flexibility with two orders instead of one to increase the dose
 
Pumps/ cramps from var start very quickly in my experience. Actually strength gains too. It works fast.
 
K3flex said:
Do you think the toremifene protocol is correct? I have more flexibility with two orders instead of one to increase the dose
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Tbh I have no idea as this was not properly tested. I think it can work to a degree with smaller doses off aas, but am very sceptical with higher ones ie. 60mg var. I would have some test prop at the side to get test, e2 and dht levels quickly back up if ypu crash. Also test cyp or e to continue with the cycle.
 
Well it worked for me on 50mg/ dbol and 400mg of primobolan. That's a decent amount of gear. But I was using clomid.
 
I stayed at 25mg/ day the whole cycle and 4 weeks after. A week after my last primo E shot and a day after my last dbol dose I was at 450 ng/dl (within normal range). Did not test again after pct but it was surely higher
 
RickyBlobby said:
I stayed at 25mg/ day the whole cycle and 4 weeks after. A week after my last primo E shot and a day after my last dbol dose I was at 450 ng/dl (within normal range). Did not test again after pct but it was surely higher
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Oh okay, so my tore dosage is basically the equivalent of your clomid dosage. Well, we'll see lol I'll be the guinea pig.
 
Sweet
 
Tor and clomid don't work the same so don't expect the same results. But either way, if you'll do bloods it's going to be a nice contribution!

Btw; 20mg nolva did not work for me with an andro stack and 250mg test. You must understand that serms only take care of the estrogen negative feedback loop and not other androgens (test and dht or their analogues).
 
Jinsun said:
Tbh I have no idea as this was not properly tested. I think it can work to a degree with smaller doses off aas, but am very sceptical with higher ones ie. 60mg var. I would have some test prop at the side to get test, e2 and dht levels quickly back up if ypu crash. Also test cyp or e to continue with the cycle.
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The biggest issue with anavar shutdown is split dosing. If you take 50mg 1x per day, it should be ok. Very few people shut down. But if you go 2x per day, you can easily shut down within 3-4 weeks.
 
CornbreadBath said:
The biggest issue with anavar shutdown is split dosing. If you take 50mg 1x per day, it should be ok. Very few people shut down. But if you go 2x per day, you can easily shut down within 3-4 weeks.
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I've never heard that. What would it matter if you split the dosage or not? The half life is so long on it regardless. Var will definitely shut you down.
 
6th day of taking 50mg dp anavar, 350mg caffeine and 15g of creatine in the morning, along with k1ngsguard, fish oil and my multi. Started taking 30mg of tore at lunch with fish oil and my multi. Then at pre workout I'm taking 700mg ara and 600mg of pa. Fish oil and multi with dinner Weighed 191 lbs this morning. Drinking the caffeine and creatine became really easy, really fast. I'm actually drinking animals fury preworkout with muscletech micronized creatine. Tastes good, was just heavy on the stomach the first couple days.

Pros: started to really feel the var on the 4th day. I was doing at least 125% of what I would've expected to do in every lift. No lethargy yet. One strange, but positive, thing I've noticed is the masses behind my nipples have softened and shrank. I've always thought this was prepubescent gyno and now I think I've been right. I really didn't expect anavar to effect the masses, more the tore, but I've only taken the tore for 1 day. Would 1 day of 30mg of tore shrink that gyno?

Cons: back pumps started on the 4th day as well, and theyre ****ing killer. Unbearable at one point and almost have me wondering if I'm going to stay at 50mg. Recovery is not as great as I hoped. I did pull on Thursday, legs yesterday and was hoping I would be less sore from pull today, but I am still brutally sore.Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed
 
I'm putting together something super similar and was also curious about the pumps of var + ara being a bit to much. Have you messed with the ara dosage at all or tried taurine?
 
Pieisyum said:
I'm putting together something super similar and was also curious about the pumps of var + ara being a bit to much. Have you messed with the ara dosage at all or tried taurine?
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I'm already below the typical ara dosage, so won't be lowering it. I may try some taurine to help. Back and leg days are miserable. The ara is definitely a killer to though. I can't even remember the last time I was this sore.
 
Not sure if it's a normal side effect of var, but anxiety kicked in tonight. Big time. Suggestions for the anxiety?
 
I've run var twice and I did not have any anxiety issues that I recall. I had great results but I'm always skeptical about actual purity.

I'm still debating on where my next var will come from but I'll be ordering this week. I'm pretty paranoid about var sources.
 
End of week two, 193 lbs. Picture doesn't show much, but I definitely look fuller and leaner. Creatine and caffeine go down like nothing now. Sex drive hasn't been effected and the boys are feeling normal. Lethargy comes and goes, but it's really not bad. Strength increase is there, not as drastic as week one was, but it's there. Haven't had another anxiety attack yet, but it was pretty miserable when it happened. Definitely jumping to 60 me as planned.Invalid Link Removed
 
No offense but you aren't lean or have enough mass for var. Var is a polisher, you should have ran something else with it
 
If I were you, I'd personally run something like dmz, to gain some mass. Then after you run that, take a break...then run something with the var. You will be surprised how much better it shines when you have mass to polish up. My buddy has a similar build, you have less BF...but he does var and I cant even tell after. Not to mention it's super expensive and if you dont see much off it, it's a waste IMO
 
mikeymike85 said:
If I were you, I'd personally run something like dmz, to gain some mass. Then after you run that, take a break...then run something with the var. You will be surprised how much better it shines when you have mass to polish up. My buddy has a similar build, you have less BF...but he does var and I cant even tell after. Not to mention it's super expensive and if you dont see much off it, it's a waste IMO
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Well, we'll see where I'm at when I finish up this cycle. This was just a simple oral only cycle to get my feet wet. If I can get a little leaner without losing any muscle mass I have and maybe even gain some, I'll be happy. If I ever am looking for a more drastic change though, I'll keep your recommendations in mind.
 
K3flex said:
Not sure if it's a normal side effect of var, but anxiety kicked in tonight. Big time. Suggestions for the anxiety?
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Orals without test can effect everyone differently. anxiety, libido, lethargy and so on.Is there a reason for no test, not bashing just curious.

Everything I run is always along side 200-300mg cyp, doesn’t need to be high.
 
Just seen you last post, getting your feet wet should always be test imo but to each there own.

Next cycle are you giving test a bash? You could do test with a wee tbol kickstart ��
 
Week 3 in the books. Have had two instances of anxiety, which is likely due to history with anxiety and missing my ancillaries (multi has ksm in it). Weighed 191 this morning. Strength increased, size has most definitely increased, mostly due to the creatine uptake more than likely. So far, getting what I expected. I am noticably leaner as well. Not shut down as of yet, have actually had some of the best sex of my life in the last week lol lethargy hasn't been too bad either. Come home from work and take a quick nap before the gym, but that isn't abnormal for me. Back pumps are brutal when I get them, but upping electrolytes has seemed to help with them. So far, so good. I would say that I have had very little to no side effects. Definitely enjoying the ride. Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed
 
I’m doing something similar soon but will use Clomid instead. How’s the strength increase so far for you, any major changes?
 
BBiceps said:
I’m doing something similar soon but will use Clomid instead. How’s the strength increase so far for you, any major changes?
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Went from doing 195x5 to 205x5 (probably could've done 7). Squatting solid deep reps of 225x5, was doing 205. Shoulder pressing 135x5, up from 115. Did 175x5 on pulldowns, highest I've ever done. Strength is great.
 
K3flex said:
Went from doing 195x5 to 205x5 (probably could've done 7). Squatting solid deep reps of 225x5, was doing 205. Shoulder pressing 135x5, up from 115. Did 175x5 on pulldowns, highest I've ever done. Strength is great.
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Awesome! The strength is what I’m after :)
 
Half way there and loving it. 191 lbs this morning, strength has increased again this week and I'm leaner than the week prior. Shoulders have definitely gotten wider, back has gotten thicker. Really like the small changes that var gives you. We'll see what I actually leave with. Invalid Link Removed
 
Looking good. Have you tried taurine for the back pumps? Cheap and effective plus a definite mood enhancer once it builds up in the system.
 
So you’re a month in. Any signs of shutdown? You started the torem at the beginning of the cycle, right?
 
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