Injectable bulker replacement for 19-nor

I steer clear of EQ just with slightly high platelets right now and a bad genetic predisposition to blood clots. But Mast I’ve used. Might be smarter to use drier compounds alongside Lantus also.
 
Godstrength said:
Yeah man with your frame it would do you a lot of justice I think.... Adrol as a kicker.

My 2 favorite cycles ever were

1
12 weeks test e @500
10 weeks primo @600
Dbol as a kicker 30-50mg 1-4


2
16 weeks Sustanon @500
16 weeks eq @600
11-16 inj winny 50mg eod.

The primo cycle was something special. Primo builds quality lean dry muscle. While not a crazy rate my body was also burning way more fat than any inj ive ever used while slowly building. Its crazy good.... Its just hard to find real primo thats dosed well. The price shouldnt be an issue if you can get a good source its worth it imo. Its low side and you feel great on it. It is really unlike anything else.

The eq/winny cycle aesthetically nothing compared to it. I was strong, big, grainy and vascular as all get out. It got me in the best conditioning of my life but I didnt feel great on it especially at the end....
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With age one has to watch out and avoid the harsher compounds. Primo is on my "Old mans roid list", as it has immune system enhancing properties and is well tolerated.
 
Test primo or eq or all three.

EQ is gonna be the best bulker injectible and primo would be the better cutter
 
Chados said:
Test primo or eq or all three.

EQ is gonna be the best bulker injectible and primo would be the better cutter
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Its funny w primo how everyone is different. Primo was by far the better bulker between it and eq. for me.
hairygrandpa I'm with you.... All the above I ran in my 20s. Only low dose test w 1 maybe 2 at max added compounds at moderate dosage these days for me.
 
Godstrength said:
Its funny w primo how everyone is different. Primo was by far the better bulker between it and eq. for me.
hairygrandpa I'm with you.... All the above I ran in my 20s. Only low dose test w 1 maybe 2 at max added compounds at moderate dosage these days for me.
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Yeah but it could also be diet and dosage. They are both quite weak as a bulker considering you'll need such a high dosage and run it so long. I think the optimal is to stack them or use them in a stack but with that comes more sides. They are great though for people who wants quality gains and cares about their health.

Primo would be the optimal cruising cycle if it wasn't so expensive
 
hairygrandpa said:
As of late IM S-drol is making waves.
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This was going to be my recommendation. Maybe 2-4 week cycles with a 4 to 8 week break in between.
Godstrength said:
Yeah man with your frame it would do you a lot of justice I think.... Adrol as a kicker.

My 2 favorite cycles ever were

1
12 weeks test e @500
10 weeks primo @600
Dbol as a kicker 30-50mg 1-4


2
16 weeks Sustanon @500
16 weeks eq @600
11-16 inj winny 50mg eod.

The primo cycle was something special. Primo builds quality lean dry muscle. While not a crazy rate my body was also burning way more fat than any inj ive ever used while slowly building. Its crazy good.... Its just hard to find real primo thats dosed well. The price shouldnt be an issue if you can get a good source its worth it imo. Its low side and you feel great on it. It is really unlike anything else.

The eq/winny cycle aesthetically nothing compared to it. I was strong, big, grainy and vascular as all get out. It got me in the best conditioning of my life but I didnt feel great on it especially at the end....
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I loved primo. I used to get it at 200mg/ml too. : )
 
As tempting as primo is, I think I’m finally decided on NPP. I just need to run it higher and make sure my source is good, cause I’ve had some mixed results on it in the past. I just feel like I’m overdoing it. Trest from March to May, Dienolone June and July. And then Deca for 14 weeks? I think I’m gonna cruise for a month and then just run NPP for 10 weeks while running Lantus every other 2 weeks and Dbol for 5 weeks. Should be quite a scene. After this I’m taking a break from 19s for a minute...
 
Naw it’s full out bulk time. I’m ok with where I’m at bf-wise.
NPP @400/week 8-10weeks
Test 300/week forever
Lantus 10IU ramped up to 40IU(safely) 2 weeks on - 2 off
Dbol 40-50/day for 5 weeks.

I won’t stop till I’m 270, then I can start cutting to do a Men’s Physique comp. at 40 years old.
 
Mast is in my future though. Pre contest time. I’m gonna be using a lot of Fueled Passion’s old competition techniques... may need to get a trainer and I know one in Phoenix that is great at training for NPC shows.
 
You going all Chados on me, like "mast is only for cutting!?" I think mast is an excellent all-rounder, regardless of dietary goal, but particularly if you "low dosing" sh1t (like the NPP, and test).
 
Honestly, I have very little experience with it. I loved it when I ran it. Just going old school and using less than a gram of gear a week and eating a lot. I need size bad. I lost 45 lbs since my Avi pic. Gained back 15 of it and finally lean-ish enough to bulk. I’ve never in my life seen the kind of gains that 10IU of Nov-R put on me, I’m certain I barely even need all this gear running Lantus. It’s just insane how quick it puts muscle on me. I’ve been itching for it ever since I started back up this year.
 
Sure, fair enough. I dont know your specific longterm goals and AAS use plans; cant run mast permanently.

Ive got some posts and PMs saved on my phone of discussions Ive had with fueledpassion re toggling, maximising growth, contest prep, etc. PM me your email if youd like to read (I dunno, you may have all the info you require at hand already).
 
Nac said:
You going all Chados on me, like "mast is only for cutting!?" I think mast is an excellent all-rounder, regardless of dietary goal, but particularly if you "low dosing" sh1t (like the NPP, and test).
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I like mast but it's very weak and does very little if you're not at very low bodyfat. Primo,proviron, winstrol or var are all options that will do just as much or more than masteron, proviron being about the same. Not to mention you absolutely have to stack mast for it to do anything.

Taking safety in consideration I pick it before winstrol during longer cycles but winstrol stomps on masteron and it's cheaper.
 
What’s your protocol for consumption of carbs around insulin injections?
 
Chados said:
I like mast but it's very weak and does very little if you're not at very low bodyfat. Primo,proviron, winstrol or var are all options that will do just as much or more than masteron, proviron being about the same. Not to mention you absolutely have to stack mast for it to do anything.

Taking safety in consideration I pick it before winstrol during longer cycles but winstrol stomps on masteron and it's cheaper.
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Ran both and I loved Winnie too. But together I see why, precontest this is a great way to go, although people throw Tren in too, I may not since I’ll be so carb deprived and feeling/sleeping like shyt already. Those two and some peptides with Clen/T3 May be enough for me when that time comes.
 
RickyBlobby said:
What’s your protocol for consumption of carbs around insulin injections?
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I started with his protocol below

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And there’s another really advanced insulin guy that started the whole sipping drink routine. I’ll try to remember it and include everything. But here’s what I did in 2016 and I put on more muscle in less time than on any AAS ever, hands down, no competition.

- Swim uses huge amounts. He’s 315+ though; one must remember.
- I never ate a meal without carbs on days I used insulin. I was probably eating well over 2.5X my daily protein amounts. But I was 255 and on my feet all day at work. So I needed a lot of carbs at the time..
-The more rapid acting, the better. I only had access to script-free Nov-R so I if I lifted after work at 8, I’d pin at 630 and have to stay awake until 1230 watching for Hypos. (And still put down a bag of uncle bens prior to going to sleep).
Looking back I should have just waited for an overseas UGL to get some humalog or novolog to me, rather than just walk into Walmart and buy it. Or better yet, Craigslist. But I was in Payson AZ at the time so my options were more limited.
- I would immediately pin after a huge carb rich meal. If it was only 8IU’s, I could get away with not having to eat 80 grams of dextrose with my injection, but starting out I always did follow the 10/1 sugar to IU ratio.
- Because the peak on Nov-R last so long I could pin it long before I actually went to the gym. Making it convenient in only that way.
- Many will shy you away from preworkout Slin but if you try it both ways, there’s no comparison, it’s 100x better than post. You’re already taking a risk, just go all the way with it.
- So belly full of food + Usually 80-120(alongside 8-12IUs Slin) grams of dextrose or fug it, I just started counting out $1 bin gummies and eating 100 grams of sugar. Then I hit the gym
- While training I had a poor man’s concoction of a popular Slin Sizzerp.
I used strawberry Gatorade mixed with
10 grams Glutamine, 10 grams creatine, and at least 20 grams BCAAs. All WalMart brand, this shyt gets expensive. I sipped it all through workout with at least 200 grams of dextrose AVAILABLE(or gummy bears) if I felt even a little shaky or dizzy after a set, I’d jus eat a small handful.
- You will gain IMMEDIATELY and have pumps you can’t imagine unless you’ve used real IGF pre. You can watch you pump almost not subside over the next day, the gains are just unreal. You just lived through a workout and got instant gains. Holy Fu(k.
- I did not use pre Slin on leg day. If you feel comfortable watching for hypo on leg day, be my guest, I was too scared to try. Also deadlifts didn’t happen much on Slin and if they did, I was eating a lot of sugar between sets.
-I did not get fat even eating all the safe amounts of high GI sugars. In fact, my diet was on point and I was active and on good AAS, I just got leaner while gaining a fugload of muscle. It was glorious. I imagine I’ll get a little fat on Lantus though.

I went hypo a few times. But I ALWAYS had access to 1000 grams of sugar or dextrose in my gym bag which was always 10 feet from me.

I also only started with just 4IUs. Preworkout Slin would take years to suppress natty insulin production, if it even ever does, so time is on your side. Work up slowly, you’ll be glad you did.

It’s worth the risk but I studied for a year before doing it. Nothing on this planet will put muscle on you as rapidly.
 
Matthersby said:
Ran both and I loved Winnie too. But together I see why, precontest this is a great way to go, although people throw Tren in too, I may not since I’ll be so carb deprived and feeling/sleeping like shyt already. Those two and some peptides with Clen/T3 May be enough for me when that time comes.
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Yeah it definitely works on a bulk too but to get something out of it visibly you'd have to be in top shape
 
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