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Oral Turinabol

Pharmaceutical Name: 4-chlordehydromethyltestosterone
Chemical Names: 4-chloro-17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-dien-3-one;4-chloro-1-Dehydro-17a-methyltestosterone; 4-chloro-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-1,4-androstadien-3-one
Molecular Weight: 334.8854
Chemical Formula: C20H27O2Cl
Active life: 16 hours
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio: >100:0

Oral turinabol was originally developed by East German researchers in the mid-20th century for use by their athletes during the Olympics and other international competitions. It is believed to be the drug responsible for much of that country's dominance in many of the athletic competitions of that era, along with their groundbreaking training techniques. There is no medical use for this drug and as such it has remained exclusively a performance enhancing compound used by athletes.

Oral Turinabol is a 17-alpha-alkylated compound that is a derivative of methandrostenolone (d-bol). Being a 17AA compound of course means that it is an oral steroid capable of surviving the first pass through the liver, but this also increases hepatoxicity. For the most part users of oral turinabol have reported minimal bloating on this compound and achieving the much sought after "hardening" effect associated with some compounds. This is primarily due to the low level of androgenic activity, and therefore side effects, associated with the drug. Users anecdotally report that increases in lean body mass free of any bloat should be expected when using oral turinabol with a proper diet and training regimen.

Oral turinabol features a 4-chloro attachment that inhibits the aromatization of the compound. The alteration that is done to the compound obviously eliminates much of the worry concerning a user experiencing any of the typical estrogen related side effects such as water retention, acne, and gynocomastia among others (1). This is true even at extremely high doses of the drug. Oral turinabol is chemically the same as methandrostenolone except for this alteration of the 4-chloro. This shows exactly how a simple chemical alteration to a compound will alter it's effects on a user dramatically.

Oral turinabol also has an advantageous effect in terms of it's ability to reduce the binding of sex hormone-binding globulin to other anabolic steroids. Even at relatively low doses, it is quite effective at this function and could improve the action of any anabolics that a user may be running with the compound (2). This would allow more testosterone to remain active in the body so that it can carry out it's anabolic functions.


Use and Dosing of Oral Turinabol


For the most part, oral turinabol is best used for lean gains in muscle mass as well as maintaining muscle mass while dieting. Users should not expect to experience major gains in muscle mass, but rather improvement in muscle "quality". Due to the nature of the compound as well, strength gains will not be overly dramatic for a user either. However having said this it is a quality compound if used for "cutting" purposes and to add some lean body weight.

Anecdotally users report that doses ranging from 40 to 60 milligrams per day for inexperienced male users should produce good results. Of course like most anabolic steroids the doses used by more experienced users will climb dramatically. Doses in the range of 100 to 150 milligrams per day have been reported by some users, however doses this high are not recommended.

Female users of oral turinabol should do well using doses ranging from 5 to 15 milligrams per day. At these levels very little in the way of virilizing side effects should occur. However if these doses are increased the likelihood of these symptoms will also rise.

Due to the active life of the compound users would only have to take two doses of the drug per day, as evenly spaced as possible to maintain fairly stable blood levels of the compound. These doses should be of the same size if possible to avoid fluctuating levels. Most male users will stack oral turinabol with other compounds for a synergistic effect. Most notably, many will choose to run some type of testosterone with it. Since, like all anabolic steroids, oral turinabol will suppress a user's natural testosterone production there is a chance that some sexual dysfunction and/or reduction in sex drive could occur. However, many users anecdotally report that when they have run oral turinabol only, no reduction of libido was noticed.

As will be discussed below in the Risks/Side Effects section of this profile there are still risks with the use of this compound as it can cause toxicity of the liver like all 17 alpha alkylated compounds. For this reason it is recommended that users do not extend their cycles of the compound too far. However like oxandrolone (anavar) due to it's relatively mild nature compared to the other 17 alpha alkylated oral steroids it can be run longer than most. Despite this it is recommended that a user limit their cycle to about six to eight weeks to limit the stress placed on the liver. However like always many users will run it longer. If this is done for any lengthy period of time a user should have blood work done to ensure that no damage is occuring.


Risks and Side Effects while using Oral Turinabol


Oral turinabol is a relatively mild compound in terms of side effects. Due to the lack of androgenic activity, androgenic side effects are not an issue. However, there has been at least one case of testicular tumors, It should be noted though that in that one case study it was found that a case of testicular cancer is an otherwise healthy male may have been, at least in part, caused by his use of very high doses of oral turinabol over a five year period (3). However, no other credible links between the drug and cancer have been made as of yet.

In women virilization may be a concern if higher doses are used. However even in women these effects do not seem to appear and use of the compound is relatively side effect-free in the majority of individuals as long as cycles of the compound are kept relatively moderate in duration and doses used are not in excess (4).

Also like most oral steroids liver and cholesterol health should be a concern while running this compound. It can cause increased liver values, liver damage and reduction in a user's HDL cholesterol ("good" cholesterol) and increased LDL cholesterol ("bad"). This is why it is not a good idea to run this compound for an extended period of time.
 
Country's description is "dead on".

To make it complete:

-T-bol is a good choice for people with a predisposition for male pattern baldness and acne. It binds extremely weakly to the 5-alpha reductase enzyme, which hinders the conversion of testosterone to DHT, hence almost no androgenic side effects from DHT, like prostate issues, acne or balding.

-When stacked with stronger compounds (including testosterone), it enhances the anabolic effects of the secondary compound by binding to SHBG.

Turinabol’s high binding affinity for SHBG, it will preferentially bind to SHBG before other steroids. This allows a higher percentage of AAS to remain in an unbound state, where they are freely able to interact with the androgen receptor and exert their muscle building effects. In essence, T-bol sacrifices itself so that other, more powerful muscle builders are better able to do their job. T-bol is not the only steroid with a strong binding affinity to SHBG and other steroids do not bind to SHBG at all. In theory, as long as T-bol is paired with a stronger steroid which has a comparatively weaker binding affinity for SHBG, it should enhance the results of one’s cycle through SHBG modulation. -Ironmag-

-dosages for males are around 25mg/d on a cut for muscle preserving -up to 100mg/d for a lean bulk. From my experience, anything over 80mg/d has fewer benefits in comparison to side effects. Optimal dosage is between 60-80mg/d. T-bol should be dosed twice a day, splitting the dosage -because of the short half life.
 
Honestly, I can’t see the point of running tbol above 80mg; so 100-150 is definitely stupid. Your gear is underdosed if you need that much “tbol” lmao. I also think that it’s underrated when it comes to putting on mass; I gained 10.5lbs in 25 days at 40mg, with my bench going from 225x12 to 225x23. Everyone will react differently though.
 
I think a profile section could really benefit members. Id be glad to do so if yall think it could help

I would agree.
So generally Tbol is like Dbol with an AI attached to stop E conversion?
(which is cool as I thought Dbol was the only non-dht oral)
Any idea after the bloat ride or not which adds more kept muscle?
 
Country's description is "dead on".

To make it complete:

-T-bol is a good choice for people with a predisposition for male pattern baldness and acne. It binds extremely weakly to the 5-alpha reductase enzyme, which hinders the conversion of testosterone to DHT, hence almost no androgenic side effects from DHT, like prostate issues, acne or balding.

-When stacked with stronger compounds (including testosterone), it enhances the anabolic effects of the secondary compound by binding to SHBG.



-dosages for males are around 25mg/d on a cut for muscle preserving -up to 100mg/d for a lean bulk. From my experience, anything over 80mg/d has fewer benefits in comparison to side effects. Optimal dosage is between 60-80mg/d. T-bol should be dosed twice a day, splitting the dosage -because of the short half life.

What do we think would give the best gains - 50 ed for 6 weeks or 75 ed for 4 weeks??

I ask as I have that option as the kicker to my test cycle..... currently planning 50 for 6 weeks
 
What do we think would give the best gains - 50 ed for 6 weeks or 75 ed for 4 weeks??

I ask as I have that option as the kicker to my test cycle..... currently planning 50 for 6 weeks

50 for 6 weeks. Runs very well with a moderate dose of test. Its not as powerful as Dbol -and not a strong "kicker". Remarkable is the overall performance enhancement -not so much strength gain. I was able to do much more reps with it.
 
I would agree.
So generally Tbol is like Dbol with an AI attached to stop E conversion?
(which is cool as I thought Dbol was the only non-dht oral)
Any idea after the bloat ride or not which adds more kept muscle?

No bloat on tbol -but good glycogen retention. You will gain a noticeable inch on your arms when on. Dbol is stronger and could make you gain more.
Personally, I prefer tbol, less gains - less sides, like bloat + possible upped BP, swollen prostate, acne, bit more liver friendly. Dbol likely kicks in faster.
 
50 for 6 weeks. Runs very well with a moderate dose of test. Its not as powerful as Dbol -and not a strong "kicker". Remarkable is the overall performance enhancement -not so much strength gain. I was able to do much more reps with it.

Sound, I am throwing liquidien in with it as well (planning to stagger so I get a feel for each)......that should equal some decent strength gains.
 
I definitely will be running tbol next. Probably sometime next spring. What’s the longest anyone on here has run it or the longest you’d suggest running it? 8 weeks?
 
If Tbol truly is like Hdrol, I couldn't imagine running it for 8 weeks. Anavar, on the other hand, I truly believe I could run it 365 days a year. Hdrol takes a toll on me.
 
With low dose trest as a base.

We know from trest that it not binds to SHBG, but T-bol does. Meaning, I would run T-bol shorter and at a higher dose, as some of it will bind to SHBG, rendering it useless.
 
We know from trest that it not binds to SHBG, but T-bol does. Meaning, I would run T-bol shorter and at a higher dose, as some of it will bind to SHBG, rendering it useless.

Okay I’ll consider that. I just wonder how much you’ll really come away with after only six weeks or so of tbol, and even more importantly, how much you’ll keep. I believe most people say keep a trest run short too.
 
If Tbol truly is like Hdrol, I couldn't imagine running it for 8 weeks. Anavar, on the other hand, I truly believe I could run it 365 days a year. Hdrol takes a toll on me.

I remember Mike Arnold coming on here the one time and saying how everyone considers anavar to be this super special oral AAS because it has basically no side effects but in reality it’s just as awful for your heart as the others. So be careful running it long term and often.
 
Okay I’ll consider that. I just wonder how much you’ll really come away with after only six weeks or so of tbol, and even more importantly, how much you’ll keep. I believe most people say keep a trest run short too.

IMHO and from previous tries, t-bol runs best for 6 weeks. Somehow you don't "feel" it much anymore when going longer (diminishing returns?).
It is on paper less anabolic than testosterone, mg x mg. Maybe it would be a good idea to run it with a low dose of trest for 6 weeks, then dropping t-bol and upping the trest, prolonging the cycle to 10 weeks. Trest, IMO, can be run longer, its basically accepted by the body as test substitute. I never bulked on t-bol but recomped -can't give an estimation on mass gains -but would guess : a few pounds in 6 weeks, no miracles here.
 
I remember Mike Arnold coming on here the one time and saying how everyone considers anavar to be this super special oral AAS because it has basically no side effects but in reality it’s just as awful for your heart as the others. So be careful running it long term and often.

He was saying it(and other orals) ruins blood lipids which long term is a cardiac and vascular issue.
I'm this is where cardarine comes into its own.
 
He was saying it(and other orals) ruins blood lipids which long term is a cardiac and vascular issue.
I'm this is where cardarine comes into its own.

I saw a video from "enhanced athlete", where he stated that the drop of HDL is due to its molecular size "grows" when using AAS -and its now not detected by labs. Meaning there is NO drop in HDL -but its undetected, leading to the assumption its "low".

I have no idea if that is true... Anyone?
 
I saw a video from "enhanced athlete", where he stated that the drop of HDL is due to its molecular size "grows" when using AAS -and its now not detected by labs. Meaning there is NO drop in HDL -but its undetected, leading to the assumption its "low".

I have no idea if that is true... Anyone?

Whoaa.....in for possible answers on this.
 
I saw a video from "enhanced athlete", where he stated that the drop of HDL is due to its molecular size "grows" when using AAS -and its now not detected by labs. Meaning there is NO drop in HDL -but its undetected, leading to the assumption its "low".

I have no idea if that is true... Anyone?

Interesting concept.
Would be good to hear more on the reality of this.
 
IMHO and from previous tries, t-bol runs best for 6 weeks. Somehow you don't "feel" it much anymore when going longer (diminishing returns?).
It is on paper less anabolic than testosterone, mg x mg. Maybe it would be a good idea to run it with a low dose of trest for 6 weeks, then dropping t-bol and upping the trest, prolonging the cycle to 10 weeks. Trest, IMO, can be run longer, its basically accepted by the body as test substitute. I never bulked on t-bol but recomped -can't give an estimation on mass gains -but would guess : a few pounds in 6 weeks, no miracles here.

Anabolic to androgenic ratios don’t mean a whole lot. Epistane has a crazy anabolic to androgenic ratio of 1100:91, and tbol has one around 54:6, yet I found tbol to be more effective. It’s a great lean bulker, phenomenal pumps, great fullness, etc.
 
IMHO and from previous tries, t-bol runs best for 6 weeks. Somehow you don't "feel" it much anymore when going longer (diminishing returns?).
It is on paper less anabolic than testosterone, mg x mg. Maybe it would be a good idea to run it with a low dose of trest for 6 weeks, then dropping t-bol and upping the trest, prolonging the cycle to 10 weeks. Trest, IMO, can be run longer, its basically accepted by the body as test substitute. I never bulked on t-bol but recomped -can't give an estimation on mass gains -but would guess : a few pounds in 6 weeks, no miracles here.

I’d be happy with a few pounds of LBM or just a pretty decent recomp. I’m most interested in it’s performance enhancing abilities. I’d like to be able to toss around heavy **** all day long.
 
Anabolic to androgenic ratios don’t mean a whole lot. Epistane has a crazy anabolic to androgenic ratio of 1100:91, and tbol has one around 54:6, yet I found tbol to be more effective. It’s a great lean bulker, phenomenal pumps, great fullness, etc.

That's why I wrote "on paper". I'm aware of the inconsistencies of anabolic/androgenic ratings , when it comes to real life experience.
I'm with you about T-bol having a greater effect than expected, reading about its supposed potency. Personally, "lean bulk" for me is somehow a "enigma", only experienced it once and it was with S-drol.
 
I saw a video from "enhanced athlete", where he stated that the drop of HDL is due to its molecular size "grows" when using AAS -and its now not detected by labs. Meaning there is NO drop in HDL -but its undetected, leading to the assumption its "low".

I have no idea if that is true... Anyone?

Whoaa.....in for possible answers on this.

Interesting concept.
Would be good to hear more on the reality of this.

Me too, it would be awesome if it’s true

Will open a thread about it and post link here. Hopefully someone can shine a light on this.
 
I’d be happy with a few pounds of LBM or just a pretty decent recomp. I’m most interested in it’s performance enhancing abilities. I’d like to be able to toss around heavy **** all day long.

If your cals are high enough, you could easily gain more. I gained 10.5lbs in 25 days at 40mg, with little to no fat/water. I ate about 4000 cals, which is a good 750-1000 over maintenance for me. I noticed very little performance enhancing abilities in regards to stamina, endurance, energy, etc.
 
He was saying it(and other orals) ruins blood lipids which long term is a cardiac and vascular issue.
I'm this is where cardarine comes into its own.
I think his point if I remember correctly is that people place so much importance on the liver (elevated liver enzymes, liver care products, how toxic it is etc) and that the liver can take a beating over long periods and regenerate itself.

Its the cardiovascular system (heart, lipids, cholesterol etc) that does the worst and most irreversible damage. I remember a conversation I had with fueledpassion where he was always emphasizing the same thing and cardiovascular being the most important thing for being healthy for both aas users and non. Orals are harder on the cardiovascular system there is little debate about that. What really factors in is both dosage and duration. Thats why ime after years of using that less is more. Use the minimum amount of any drug to assist in your results. Dont rely strictly on the drugs to achieve your goals for you. To each their own, but I think its better to use less over a safe duration and leave a few lbs gain on the table.

At the end of the day I think tbol (or most orals at that) used solo in conjunction w test or some other base like trest for 5-6 wreks at a reasonable dose is relatively safe. In the end we all roll the dice but we can do our best to take care of ourselves internally. Some guys dont give af and at one point in my life I was one of those who didnt think id live to see 30. I guess at 41 now I want to live and see my kids grow up and one day my grandkids..... What a difference a couple decades makes.
 
I think his point if I remember correctly is that people place so much importance on the liver (elevated liver enzymes, liver care products, how toxic it is etc) and that the liver can take a beating over long periods and regenerate itself.

Its the cardiovascular system (heart, lipids, cholesterol etc) that does the worst and most irreversible damage. I remember a conversation I had with fueledpassion where he was always emphasizing the same thing and cardiovascular being the most important thing for being healthy for both aas users and non. Orals are harder on the cardiovascular system there is little debate about that. What really factors in is both dosage and duration. Thats why ime after years of using that less is more. Use the minimum amount of any drug to assist in your results. Dont rely strictly on the drugs to achieve your goals for you. To each their own, but I think its better to use less over a safe duration and leave a few lbs gain on the table.

At the end of the day I think tbol (or most orals at that) used solo in conjunction w test or some other base like trest for 5-6 wreks at a reasonable dose is relatively safe. In the end we all roll the dice but we can do our best to take care of ourselves internally. Some guys dont give af and at one point in my life I was one of those who didnt think id live to see 30. I guess at 41 now I want to live and see my kids grow up and one day my grandkids..... What a difference a couple decades makes.

Yep, that was the conversation I was referring to.
Lipid values and arterial inflammation over time are the biggest issue, the same can be said for diet.
 
Love me some Tbol.
 
I’ve had good lean gains from tbol. I have had to stop using it mid cycle a couple times due to headaches, has anyone else experienced this? Is there a solution other than not taking it?
 
I’ve had good lean gains from tbol. I have had to stop using it mid cycle a couple times due to headaches, has anyone else experienced this? Is there a solution other than not taking it?

Probably BP control and/or Tudca could help. Sometimes something simple like an aspirin does the trick too.
 
Probably BP control and/or Tudca could help. Sometimes something simple like an aspirin does the trick too.
Yes tbol and halodrol does the same thing to me.... Halo converts on a small scale to tbol once it makes the first pass in the liver.... Its bp.
Usually goes away if you can bp under control.
 
Personally, "lean bulk" for me is somehow a "enigma", only experienced it once and it was with S-drol.

I think it would be fair to say that Tbol has a nice recomp/lean bulk effect too. I think I lost bodyfat and gained lean mass every time I ran Tbol or designer Halo clones. Sdrol was faster and explosive.

Maybe Sdrol is turbo charged Tbol for recomp IMO (in a purely subjective description, but not chemically speaking whatsoever).
 
If you were to compare it to other “mild” orals in terms of strength gain, where does tbol rank? Above or below winstrol and anavar. Feel free to include other orals as well.

I want to run tbol but I’m very interested in making serious strength gains while putting on a little lean mass.
 
If you were to compare it to other “mild” orals in terms of strength gain, where does tbol rank? Above or below winstrol and anavar. Feel free to include other orals as well.

I want to run tbol but I’m very interested in making serious strength gains while putting on a little lean mass.

I’m interested in this as well, and more so what “mild” roids are comparable to tbol but may not be so harsh on lipids.
 
Is it recommended to run tbol with a test base even if tbol is your first cycle? I know it’s “fine” to run tbol solo, but is it “optimal” when weighing the risk:reward for first cycle?
 
A testosterone base is always optimal. But I wouldn’t hesitate to run a 6 to 8 week cycle alongside a SERM like torem (the SERM is to minimize HTPA shutdown)
 
Yes tbol and halodrol does the same thing to me.... Halo converts on a small scale to tbol once it makes the first pass in the liver.... Its bp.
Usually goes away if you can bp under control.
yeah halodrol caused me mad headaches on a cut with cardarine I had been seeing a neurologist for other reasons and he prescribed me propranolol, which is for migraines and bp, and another non narc pain medication. totally made it better
 
yeah halodrol caused me mad headaches on a cut with cardarine I had been seeing a neurologist for other reasons and he prescribed me propranolol, which is for migraines and bp, and another non narc pain medication. totally made it better
I couldn't get off the couch and couldn't sleep. it sucked. wasted like half my cycle cause I couldn't even think about the gym.
 
I think his point if I remember correctly is that people place so much importance on the liver (elevated liver enzymes, liver care products, how toxic it is etc) and that the liver can take a beating over long periods and regenerate itself.

Its the cardiovascular system (heart, lipids, cholesterol etc) that does the worst and most irreversible damage. I remember a conversation I had with fueledpassion where he was always emphasizing the same thing and cardiovascular being the most important thing for being healthy for both aas users and non. Orals are harder on the cardiovascular system there is little debate about that. What really factors in is both dosage and duration. Thats why ime after years of using that less is more. Use the minimum amount of any drug to assist in your results. Dont rely strictly on the drugs to achieve your goals for you. To each their own, but I think its better to use less over a safe duration and leave a few lbs gain on the table.

At the end of the day I think tbol (or most orals at that) used solo in conjunction w test or some other base like trest for 5-6 wreks at a reasonable dose is relatively safe. In the end we all roll the dice but we can do our best to take care of ourselves internally. Some guys dont give af and at one point in my life I was one of those who didnt think id live to see 30. I guess at 41 now I want to live and see my kids grow up and one day my grandkids..... What a difference a couple decades makes.

It's been a while... Been in the "wilderness" for about 6 months.

I'm glad to see that some of my ideas are catching on. The idea that more is better and the popular pattern of choosing the oral route simply on the basis of trypanophobia (fear of needles) and paranoia related to government surveillance is the result of an immense amount of ignorance and misinformation on either subject.

The staples:

-CoQ10 (Blood Pressure)
-Curcumin (Anti-Inflammatory and brain health)
-Astragalus (Almost everything - but especially heart & kidney health - this one is a game changer in both areas)
-Fish oils or any Omega EFA source (General heart health, clotting and BP)
-Nattokinase (Blood Pressure, clotting and cholesterol)
-Beta Sitosterol (Cholesterol)
-Citrus Bergamot (Cholesterol)
-Multi-Mineral
-Multi-Vitamin
-Pregnenolone

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If you are a regular opioid/drug user, wean yourself as best as possible and switch to Kratom, which helps tremendously with blood pressure. Otherwise there is no need to introduce a new vice into your system. Kratom is only a good option for those who are already on some bad opioids to begin with.

The Pregnenolone is simply because the body uses this "father" hormone to create more hormones via conversion. Testosterone is near the bottom of the list of created hormones from this parent hormone. The exogenous testosterone posits all sorts of things that can go wrong and disrupt the whole system, leaving you with a sub-optimal sex hormone panel.

My original reason to take Pregnenolone was purely for cognitive reasons. However, I decided, after doing more extensive research, that Pregnenolone deserves to be a staple to any gear-user's stash. It just has too many key functions to NOT include it. Consider it's functions:

- Improves cognitive health and memory
- Consumes excess LDL cholesterol (sufficient stand-alone reason to take it)
- Mood & sex drive improvements
- Combat stress and depression
- Anti-arthritic

Etc etc. However, you can over do it with this hormone but it is unlikely that you will experience some of the more rare side effects like anxiety and such if you are running 250-750mg of Test every week.

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Currently in Day 10 of 60mg TBol. The lethargy is kicking my butt. Work outs aren’t as good as they should be. Just feel like in a fog. Waking up in the morning is brutal. Taking TNE transdermal as a test base. Doesn’t seem to be cutting it. Maybe I need to up the dose. Maybe I need to switch to Trest TD.
 
Currently in Day 10 of 60mg TBol. The lethargy is kicking my butt. Work outs aren’t as good as they should be. Just feel like in a fog. Waking up in the morning is brutal. Taking TNE transdermal as a test base. Doesn’t seem to be cutting it. Maybe I need to up the dose. Maybe I need to switch to Trest TD.

I’m on day 2 on 40mg. How long you running for? What time are you doing the TNE?
 
Trest ought to fix the energy issues. This is a big reason why I just tinker with what I know is good for me.

Orals void of a high dose of T with it just always led to lethargy, loss of appetite & high BP.
 
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