PUFFY NIPPLES! Help!!

[KingAnt]

I been running 1-andro and 4-andro
220/220/440/440/550
Equal portions of each except for this last week when I upped the 4-andro and ran 550mg (220 1-andro and 330 4-andro).
I do not have a hard mass behind my nipple ( depending on how deep I feel and if I'm flexing my pec or not ?)
They don't hurt.
Seems to be very slightly more sensitive.
But definetly but definetly puffier around my nipples and from what I can gather it seems to sound like it's the onset stages of GYNO!

I purchased hi-tech pharmaceuticals "estrogenex depot" 625mg

I noticed my nipples and I was feeling bloated yesterday at work. When I got home I took 625mg and then another 625mg with the andro before my workout and felt like a beast. Great pumps and awesome workout.
I took another 625mg this morning with the andro and felt awesome my body was toned and muscles hard as rock. till about 12 and I noticed I was swelling down a bit and my nips were getting puffy again.

What should I do to get rid of this?
How do I stop it from getting Any worse?
Any tips and advice would be a huge help!!
Not down for bitch tits.

Also been working out for 6 years and my age is 25.
I'm new to anabolics. This is my first cycle attempt.

 

[Renew1]

Ugh. Take what you bought, hopefully it'll help (if you do need something). But if you're getting gyno, what you need can't be bought over the counter.

 

[KingAnt]

Ugh. Take what you bought, hopefully it'll help (if you do need something). But if you're getting gyno, what you need can't be bought over the counter.

How is this sorta thing and other estrogen related sides avoided?
I understand some people run arimistane/arimidex with more potent cycles.

I've gathered a good amount of knowledge over the years but still trying to figure out this estrogen stuff.

 

[Cscott622]

Have they been itching more than usual?

 

[Renew1]

How is this sorta thing and other estrogen related sides avoided?
I understand some people run arimistane/arimidex with more potent cycles.

I've gathered a good amount of knowledge over the years but still trying to figure out this estrogen stuff.

Well, you can learn which compounds are more likely to cause these side effects. And you can learn (by trial and error) which ones are more likely to cause them in you.

The most valuable thing you can do regarding Estrogen sides, is having an AI (or SERM) on hand....whether you end up using it or not.

 

[KingAnt]

Have they been itching more than usual?

No they have not. In fact I'd say not itchy at all. Which makes me feel a little bit better considering thats a symptom of gyno . I was thinking and kinda hoping maybe I'm just a bit bloated and holding some water ( I've been drinking a **** ton of water) and maybe for some reason it's noticeable in my nips.

 

[KingAnt]

Well, you can learn which compounds are more likely to cause these side effects. And you can learn (by trial and error) which ones are more likely to cause them in you.

The most valuable thing you can do regarding Estrogen sides, is having an AI (or SERM) on hand....whether you end up using it or not.

Trial and error sounds sketchy. Is something like this reversible if it's caught early enough? I keep seeing mixed opinions on it.

I have an AI on hand. Will the AI make it go away or just suppress the symptoms and then when I come off the AI the sides come back?

Based on what I understand about AI it while attach to testosterone so the estro cannot attach and convert the test to estrogen. So to me that sounds like it would prevent sides from getting any worse but not reverse the sides that have already taken place??

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm very keen to learning about this

 

[Renew1]

You're really wrong brother. You need to study the basics of this and work from there.

I'd do a study on ... Estrogen, Testosterone, Aromatase Inhibitor, Gyno, SERM, Estrogen receptors..etc.

 

[Renew1]

Trial and error sounds sketchy. Is something like this reversible if it's caught early enough? I keep seeing mixed opinions on it.

I have an AI on hand. Will the AI make it go away or just suppress the symptoms and then when I come off the AI the sides come back?

Based on what I understand about AI it while attach to testosterone so the estro cannot attach and convert the test to estrogen. So to me that sounds like it would prevent sides from getting any worse but not reverse the sides that have already taken place??

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm very keen to learning about this

It isn't sketchy at all brother. Not the way I mentioned it.
If you learn about which compounds are likely to cause gyno, and have an AI on hand (which you should have ...NOT over the counter stuff)....Then first hand scientific study is the obvious next step.

 

[Renew1]

Trial and error sounds sketchy. Is something like this reversible if it's caught early enough? I keep seeing mixed opinions on it.

I have an AI on hand. Will the AI make it go away or just suppress the symptoms and then when I come off the AI the sides come back?

Based on what I understand about AI it while attach to testosterone so the estro cannot attach and convert the test to estrogen. So to me that sounds like it would prevent sides from getting any worse but not reverse the sides that have already taken place??

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm very keen to learning about this

It doesn't sound like gyno to me (although I could be wrong).

But you're right, even if it isn't gyno (yet?), It could be high Estrogen sides.

When you switched up your Andros intake, you pushed a little more to the Estrogenic side.
In general, more 1-Andro = less Estrogen, and more 4 Andro = more Estrogen.

Like I said, you can run the over the counter stuff you have, and it probably won't hurt, but if you REALLY start needing a real AI, you'd be a lot better off having one on hand, instead of chasing one down. Because once gyno really takes hold, it can be extremely difficult to get rid of (sometimes even impossible, without surgery).

 

[KingAnt]

It isn't sketchy at all brother. Not the way I mentioned it.
If you learn about which compounds are likely to cause gyno, and have an AI on hand (which you should have ...NOT over the counter stuff)....Then first hand scientific study is the obvious next step.

I agreee. That makes sense. I ****ed up by not having a real AI. I have a connection. What would you recommend and at what dosage?
I just don't know where to begin. I've seen some people do 12.5 arimidex every other day or some people 6. I just don't know.
I guess I should start low and less frequent like every other day???

 

[KingAnt]

It doesn't sound like gyno to me (although I could be wrong).

But you're right, even if it isn't gyno (yet?), It could be high Estrogen sides.

When you switched up your Andros intake, you pushed a little more to the Estrogenic side.
In general, more 1-Andro = less Estrogen, and more 4 Andro = more Estrogen.

Like I said, you can run the over the counter stuff you have, and it probably won't hurt, but if you REALLY start needing a real AI, you'd be a lot better off having one on hand, instead of chasing one down. Because once gyno really takes hold, it can be extremely difficult to get rid of (sometimes even impossible, without surgery).

I'm not totally convinced it's gyno either buy or like to stop it in its tracks if it is. And either way I feel like my estrogen is off.
No way of knowing Forsure without bloods though.

It would make sense then if I dropped the 4-andro and replaced it with all 1-andro for the estrogen sides to seize, correct??

 

[Renew1]

I'm not totally convinced it's gyno either buy or like to stop it in its tracks if it is. And either way I feel like my estrogen is off.
No way of knowing Forsure without bloods though.

It would make sense then if I dropped the 4-andro and replaced it with all 1-andro for the estrogen sides to seize, correct??

Well, some Estrogen is really beneficial to your cycle. So you don't want to kill it.
I wish you could get blood work done.

You could stop the 4 Andro, but you might start feeling crappy.

You could also post some pics, and let the guys comment.

 

[KingAnt]

Well, some Estrogen is really beneficial to your cycle. So you don't want to kill it.
I wish you could get blood work done.

You could stop the 4 Andro, but you might start feeling crappy.

You could also post some pics, and let the guys comment.

Yeah I should have mentioned that the first week was just 1-andro and I added the 4-andro because lethargy was kicking my ass.

And it's also worth mentioning that a couple hours ago when I made the post I took some of the over the counter AI i got ,and some testosterone support/cortisol control from usp labs and the puffiness seems to have gone down a bit, my skin feels tighter all around, and I think I actually look alot better also.
Before I felt like I had some water retention between the skin and my muscles were slightly softer.

What do you guys think my body is telling me?
I would assume high estrogen??
But I don't really know

Also, what service do you guys use for blood work? And how much does it usually cost with no insurance?
I've heard of some online services (not sure how they work )
Or do you just hit up your local lab corp, doctor?