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TEST CYP/Dbol come back cycle

Mak1990

Mak1990

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I am 28 years old
5.8
190lbs and have been working out for 10 years on and off.
I have done small dosed cycles about 6 years ago on and off
Example: weeks 1-8/10 test e 200-400mg
Weeks 1-4 20 mg winstrol
When I was in my early twenties. I always did small doses and followed up with pct (Clomid 100mg 1st day 50mg for twenty 29 more days). Thank god I have never got any side effects. My natural test was on the High end even at age of 28. I always responded well to low dosages.
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My question is this: I have two bottles of pharm grade test cyp (Pfizer) (test cyp 10ml 200mg per 1 ml) and 100/10mg dbol tabs laying around. As I stated above I haven’t touched gear in almost six years.
What would be a better option for a lean mass gain/cut goal dosage wise?

-Weeks 1-10
400mg test c (mon, thur 200mg)
Weeks 1-4
30mg dbol ed

OR

-weeks 1-10
200mg test c
Weeks 1-4
20-30mg dbol

My goals are to lean down (with of course proper diet and cardio) with adding a couple pounds of lean mass. Idc to gain 15-20pounds and would rather gain 8-10 solid pounds from the cycle while maintaining and even gaining some muscle tissue without being shut down hard and easily recover and hold onto with what I gained.

I understand most people are going to tell me I can’t use dbol and test for cutting, I am going to get water retention etc. BUT through my research you can cut/recomp on anything as long as you diet properly and do your cardio
I am not a believer in big dosages.
 
Dbol killed my appetite and does so for some people, if your lucky enough to get this side and can deal with the water retention and minimize it, then yeah it should help preserve muscle tissue while on a calorie deficit diet. Make sure you have an AI and some liver support for while on cycle.
 
I never had any issues when it comes to not eating when taking any dbol.
Do you think using 200mg of test c is enough dosage wise (again it’s pifzer, pharm grade stuff)
 
Although I've done years of research, I'm still a noob when it comes to actual usage experience. But from what I've read and experienced your not gonna get much out of 200mg of test c unless you have low test levels already. 200 mg is a trt dosage. Most men are given that level to keep them in the mid normal range of test levels. Once you inject exogenous test into your body plus the dbol your body is going to suppress and shutdown your natural test production pretty quickly. This means even injecting your only gonna be in normal test range with 200mg. Now this will help when taking the dbol to keep test levels up but once you stop dbol then you are just going to have normal levels of test and see no real benefit from over not injecting... unless of course you have low t.

With that said probably need some more opinions from guys with more experience.
 
Mak1990 said:
I never had any issues when it comes to not eating when taking any dbol.
Do you think using 200mg of test c is enough dosage wise (again it’s pifzer, pharm grade stuff)
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I would go with 400mg test/w. You said your natural test is in the higher range. If you use 200mg, it would only replace your natural test while suppressing it.
 
I read somewhere that average to high end males produce naturally 70-100mg per week. So wouldint infecting 200mg be double the amount of natural test? Also since I’m taking dbol for half of the cycle I wouldint it be even more combined ? Basically 400mg
 
Mak1990 said:
I read somewhere that average to high end males produce naturally 70-100mg per week. So wouldint infecting 200mg be double the amount of natural test? Also since I’m taking dbol for half of the cycle I wouldint it be even more combined ? Basically 400mg
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Nah, it's like Codybenz said. Up to 200mg is TRT. Dbol lowers your natural test and is used as a kick starter for your 400mg test run.
Wanna gainz? Do it like that.
Use 0.5mg adex eod while on Dbol. Keep it on hand throughout the cycle. At 400mg test/w it MAY not be needed -everyone is different.
BTW, 400mg test is a low/moderate dose, don't panic. :)
 
Yeah I’m trying to rely on diet and hard training as opposed to drugs. The last thing I want is a long recovery time and possibly damage my hormonal levels for life. I always aim to do as little as possible and focus on the food and workouts and use it as just as a boost. I Wana do 1-2 cycles a year that’s it no longer then 10-12 weeks. What do you think about front loading 600mg and doing 200 a week or it’s a waste as well?
 
Mak1990 said:
Yeah I’m trying to rely on diet and hard training as opposed to drugs. The last thing I want is a long recovery time and possibly damage my hormonal levels for life. I always aim to do as little as possible and focus on the food and workouts and use it as just as a boost. I Wana do 1-2 cycles a year that’s it no longer then 10-12 weeks. What do you think about front loading 600mg and doing 200 a week or it’s a waste as well?
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Nah, bro. If you use d-bol as a kicker, no front loading needed. Thing is, 200mg will shut you down anyway, why not going higher, when 200mg will be like TRT?
Wait, I get it. You have only 2 vials, right? Just do the math and buy additional gear to make it fit.
In theory, you could take the D-bol with a SARM, like torem or clomid -and without test. After 4 weeks of dbol you introduce test at 400mg.
 
I've been on trt for about a year and a half, 200 mg of test cyp a week puts me at a little over 1000 ng/dl of testesterone. That is on the high end of normal. Doc backed me back down to 150 mg which puts me in the 800s.
Now everybody is a little different but not that much, that's about where 200 mg of test cyp a week will put you. If you already have high test naturally, 200mg is not going to give you high enough concentrations to see any real benefit over you naturally, and you would just be injecting a drug in our body for no gain. I would say 400mg a week of test cyp would be the minimum I would do to see any benefit. That actually many be a good dose of your are trying to lose fat and "cut" as we call it. That should be enough to help limit muscle atrophy and keep down on the water weight. Although the dbol will put on water weight in a hurry, but you can still burn fat and water weight will go away once drug is stopped.
400mg would be the minimum I would inject.
 
Codybenz said:
I've been on trt for about a year and a half, 200 mg of test cyp a week puts me at a little over 1000 ng/dl of testesterone. That is on the high end of normal. Doc backed me back down to 150 mg which puts me in the 800s.
Now everybody is a little different but not that much, that's about where 200 mg of test cyp a week will put you. If you already have high test naturally, 200mg is not going to give you high enough concentrations to see any real benefit over you naturally, and you would just be injecting a drug in our body for no gain. I would say 400mg a week of test cyp would be the minimum I would do to see any benefit. That actually many be a good dose of your are trying to lose fat and "cut" as we call it. That should be enough to help limit muscle atrophy and keep down on the water weight. Although the dbol will put on water weight in a hurry, but you can still burn fat and water weight will go away once drug is stopped.
400mg would be the minimum I would inject.
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^^^ Totally agree !
 
Lol you honestly hit it on the nail.
I’m not even gna bull crap
I was hoping I could save the second vial of test for a future cycle. But hey if you guys are saying 200mg a week is a waste F it mind as well get the most bang for my buck and Inject 400mgs a week
 
Good call.
This stuff gets expensive. Use everything you got on hand and make the most of THIS cycle. One vial of Test isn’t going to matter to save for anything.
I just make a list of everything I’d need for 2 years worth of cycles and every payday I chip away at it. I’ve got a hell of a stash right now. Use all of what you’d need to have an effective cycle. You can find more, there’s gear everywhere.
 
What you guys are saying makes total sense. I’m going to run it that way.
Like i said if start cycling again. I always aim for the lowest effective dosages and try not to rely on them but more on the diet and training and try to only do 1-2 cycles per year. 1 for bulking 1 for cutting. I am aiming for the classic look of the 70s and 80s. I actually have sarms as well I Wana do in between mk677, Ostarine and s4.
By the way I have Clomid on deck for pct. should I also take a natural test booster with the Clomid? I used to that back in the day like tribulus...
 
Mak1990 said:
What you guys are saying makes total sense. I’m going to run it that way.
Like i said if start cycling again. I always aim for the lowest effective dosages and try not to rely on them but more on the diet and training and try to only do 1-2 cycles per year. 1 for bulking 1 for cutting. I am aiming for the classic look of the 70s and 80s. I actually have sarms as well I Wana do in between mk677, Ostarine and s4.
By the way I have Clomid on deck for pct. should I also take a natural test booster with the Clomid? I used to that back in the day like tribulus...
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Save your money on the test booster.
 
Okay thank you. How long does it take with pct to recover from a cycle
In the past I felt normal after 1-2 months after a cycle. But what does science say?
 
Mak1990 said:
Okay thank you. How long does it take with pct to recover from a cycle
In the past I felt normal after 1-2 months after a cycle. But what does science say?
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Science says: Everyone is different. How exactly does your PCT look? Duration, dosage?
 
1. Don't use sarms in between cycles. They will suppress you and you will be in a perpetual cycle.

2. 200mg's test is not TRT. TRT dosages mostly fall in to the 100mg's range. 200mg's is a small cycle. My totall test on 250mg test is 4x - 5x upper lab range. Just for trt purposes I would need app. 70mg's. We all metabolise test diferently but in majority trt dosages are around the 100mg's mark. 150 is pushing it for most and 250 is a cycle.

That beeing said, if you want recomping results you need more stuff then if just bulking or cutting. I would go 12 to 16 weeks for a recomp with 500mg's a week. You could do a lean bulk for the first 4 weeks when on dbol and then start cutting or recomping for the remaining 8 - 10 weeks.
 
150-200 mg of test is a very normal trt dose. Myself and most other men in my clinic are on that dosage.
And no way your test levels are 4000-5000 ng/dl on 250 mg test.
 
Codybenz said:
150-200 mg of test is a very normal trt dose. Myself and most other men in my clinic are on that dosage.
And no way your test levels are 4000-5000 ng/dl on 250 mg test.
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Sorry, I looked at the results again. It's 3x upper range. 28 ug/L (1.42 - 9.23).

And lot's of guy are on 70 - 130 mg's/week for trt. In my understanding this is the normal range for trt. 200mg's is definetly not the norm. And most people will tell you that 250 is a small cycle as it is in my case...
 
Yeah someone I know was perscribed 100mg per week for trt as well. Same thing I read as well that if you took 200mg that’s 2-3 times the normal level as average to high end people only produce 70-100 mg a week
 
Obviously some difference of opinion here which is ok. The main thing to take from this is that everybody is different.

Here is how my trt protocol and severanother people including my doctor. Everyone in the beginning is prescribed 100mg of test cyp once a week for 3 months. This is the introductory dose. Bloods are taken again at 3 months and 6 months to see how your body responds and to wait for natural test production to swindle. The dose is adjusted at 3 months, 6 months and then every 6 months after unless an issue. Most men i know that are on it fall in the 150-200 a week range including my doc. I do know some that are lower but I am talking about the average of people I know.

With that being said you are not interested in trt but a cycle. Trt was only brought up as a reference to show that 250mg a week is not that much more than a lot of trt dosages not performance dosing.

In my opinion 250 mg a week is not worth the risk and suppression you are putting your body through for the minimal result at the end and a waste of money. However it is your body and your money so ultimately your choice. Good luck.
 
I completely appreciate your advice. Like you said I like getting different opinions. Steroids are not a game your putting a foreign substance in your body so before I do it I’m seeing and researching different opinions on the matter I am trying to do it the safest way possible while getting the most bang for my buck and keepable gains with minimal water retention and easily recover afterwards with pct, my biggest fear is being suppressed for life and having to be on trt. I am very rusty on this knowledge and experience since like I said haven’t cycled in 5-6 years. Even when I cycled back then. I remember taking only 1 shot of pharm grade test e and 3- 10 milligram winstrol tablets for only 8 weeks and gaining 20 pounds, keeping 10 after a post cycle of Nolvadex and Clomid for 1 month at 21-22 years old. I also remember taking my second cycle which was test and eq for only 9-10 weeks which just composed of 1 shot of eq and 1 shot of test e for 10 weeks and gained 15 pounds keeping 8 followed by pct of Clomid. Never got any side effects from either cycles. Diet and training were on point. I am not a hard headed person and I’m not trying to argue my point to do what I want to do like some dumb people on forums. I take all advice and appreciate you guys. But being 28 right now things might be different and I prolly will or won’t respond to 200 mg of test and might need 400 mg.
 
100mg of test cyp puts my t at 1000 NG/DL. SO for me 250mg would be a nice dose. Everyone is different though, 100mg might only put some people at 5-600.

That said I had excellent results at 250mg test cyp and an oral (anavar). I would recommend starting at 250, with the dbol, and see how things progress. It will be difficult to tell how much weight loss you are achieving though running 2 aromatizing compounds. Personally on a cut I'd rather see something like 250mg test and 50mg var. But its up to you
If you are worried about suppression I would run 25mg a day of clomid to keep from getting shut down.
 
RickyBlobby said:
100mg of test cyp puts my t at 1000 NG/DL. SO for me 250mg would be a nice dose. Everyone is different though, 100mg might only put some people at 5-600.

That said I had excellent results at 250mg test cyp and an oral (anavar). I would recommend starting at 250, with the dbol, and see how things progress. It will be difficult to tell how much weight loss you are achieving though running 2 aromatizing compounds. Personally on a cut I'd rather see something like 250mg test and 50mg var. But its up to you
If you are worried about suppression I would run 25mg a day of clomid to keep from getting shut down.
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I'm with 250mg at 850 -but using undecanoate. My guess is, with enanthate I would be at 1000+. We are all different.
 
Its crazy how we can put the exact same amount of testosterone molecules in our bodies, but somehow total T is significantly different. WTF happens to all the extra T that would have been floating around in my bloodstream VS yours. You know what I mean? Free T; I can understand how that can vary from one individual to another, but total T? I just don't get it.
 
Yeah that’s exactly what I’m aiming for. Minimum suppression and sides after cycle.
Plus I’m more worried about muscle loss then muscle gain while on cycle for my cut. So if I get a strength boost while maintaining muscle and losing fat. I will be very happy with the results. Thing is I wish there is a way I could know for sure wether going with 200mgs or 400mgs. Because I don’t want to waste a cycle. Even though if it is enough that I could save a bottle of test for later cycle combined with another injecatable or oral. Also I’m curious what if I ran dbol through out the ten weeks at left at 20 mg (1 morning, 1 pre workout) instead of thirty miligrams? Or that’s to harsh?
 
Mak1990 said:
Yeah that’s exactly what I’m aiming for. Minimum suppression and sides after cycle.
Plus I’m more worried about muscle loss then muscle gain while on cycle for my cut. So if I get a strength boost while maintaining muscle and losing fat. I will be very happy with the results. Thing is I wish there is a way I could know for sure wether going with 200mgs or 400mgs. Because I don’t want to waste a cycle. Even though if it is enough that I could save a bottle of test for later cycle combined with another injecatable or oral. Also I’m curious what if I ran dbol through out the ten weeks at left at 20 mg (1 morning, 1 pre workout) instead of thirty miligrams? Or that’s to harsh?
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400mg, period.
 
20mg of dbol for 10 weeks is not nearly as harsh as some people make it out to be. Take a few supplements for lipids like fish oil, niacin, etc. and maybe some NAC for your liver (I wouldn't even worry about the liver supps personally for 20mg dbol). Have an AI on hand, especially if you plan on running 400mg of test + dbol. Tits can grow quick on that sh!t
 
Jinsun said:
...if you want recomping results you need more stuff then if just bulking or cutting. I would go 12 to 16 weeks for a recomp with 500mg's a week. You could do a lean bulk for the first 4 weeks when on dbol and then start cutting or recomping for the remaining 8 - 10 weeks.
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Quoting my self. Again for recomp 500mg's. Just for retaining muscle 250 is probably enough. But check your TT levels with bloods.
 
I’m not worried about gyno because I had the whole gland removed from puberty gyno. Not like most surgeries where they leave a small piece. Thing is with 20 mg dbol would blood levels stay more stable? Because they are 10 mg tabs. Because wouldint 30mg 3 daily dosages a day keep blood levels more stable?
 
Mak1990 said:
I’m not worried about gyno because I had the whole gland removed from puberty gyno. Not like most surgeries where they leave a small piece. Thing is with 20 mg dbol would blood levels stay more stable? Because they are 10 mg tabs. Because wouldint 30mg 3 daily dosages a day keep blood levels more stable?
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Everyone has a different philosophy when it comes to oral dosing. I would probably take 10mg in the morning and 20mg 1 hour pre-workout.
 
I’m prolly going to take your advice hairygrandpa and stop being a cheap f**k and worry about sides so much lol and just run the 400mgs and 30mgs dbol.
I just started Ostarine/s4 stack today And going to get a order of 100/10mg anavar in a month after the Ostarine/s4 stack is done And run it solo after the dbol/test cycle. Or do half dbol/half var along with the test
 
Mak1990 said:
I’m prolly going to take your advice hairygrandpa and stop being a cheap f**k and worry about sides so much lol and just run the 400mgs and 30mgs dbol.
I just started Ostarine/s4 stack today And going to get a order of 100/10mg anavar in a month after the Ostarine/s4 stack is done And run it solo after the dbol/test cycle. Or do half dbol/half var along with the test
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You could kickstart with the dbol and finish with the anavar. Like Jinsun said lean bulk the first 4 weeks with dbol and then switch over to the anavar to recomp.
 
My vote goes to 400mg a week
 
I would use 200mg/w or lower in conjunction with the following compounds: tren/trest/Boldenone. But that example doesn't help OP.
 
Why wouldint you use ostarine? I been on it for a week so far with s4 and my joints feel amazing. That’s actually the best benefit I notice so far.
Okay 400mgs it is guys. I appreciate the knowledge and help guys!
 
Mak1990 said:
Why wouldint you use ostarine? I been on it for a week so far with s4 and my joints feel amazing. That’s actually the best benefit I notice so far.
Okay 400mgs it is guys. I appreciate the knowledge and help guys!
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Ostarine is very weak. Leave its use to women. Var will help your joints way better.
 
Dang I was hoping to finish it off to help heal nagging joint pain in my shoulder I been having. Ever since I started the bottle i feel 50
Percent less pain. And I haven’t been taking or doing anything different.
Should I mind as well finish the bottle? I paid 70 bucks for it lol (again my cheapness kicking in ��) honestly shoulda used that towards real gear eh? ��
 
Mak1990 said:
Dang I was hoping to finish it off to help heal nagging joint pain in my shoulder I been having. Ever since I started the bottle i feel 50
Percent less pain. And I haven’t been taking or doing anything different.
Should I mind as well finish the bottle? I paid 70 bucks for it lol (again my cheapness kicking in ��) honestly shoulda used that towards real gear eh? ��
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Yes, if you are already taking it, use it.
 
lol what do you plan on taking now, I don't get it? Osta, s4, dbol, test, var...? Your OP didn't mention all if this did it? And why are we still talking about 200 test? Forget 200 test already jeeez! :) Look you've got all the info you needed. Do your cycle :)

Tbh osta is toxic as hell. I would check my liver enzymes and I wouldn't take any other oral for a while after taking it. Plus it's kinda weak, so it doesn't make much sense.
 
I’m currently running ostarine and s4 stack. I’m planning my next cycle when I’m off of it which is why is what the original post is talking about. I already have test and dbol on deck. I got 100 10mg anavar coming in. I’m just trying to see what I can do with them. Thanks though guys appreciate the advice!
 
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