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First cycle

Ironeater93

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Ok fellas new to the site been out the game for years tryna get back on track. I wanna lean out then build my physique from there looking for some opinions on this dynamic duo stack as a first run.
Hi tech 1 testosterone
Evomuse slintensity
Mass zyme gh maximizer
 
If your looking to lean out and bulk diet and training will have a lot to do with that but test and anavar would be a good Route anavar is very well tolerated so running 2 compounds first time wouldn’t be to bad
 
How long have you been lifting? Age? Stats? What’s your plans on doses? What do you plan on taking after the cycle to help speed up the recovery process?
 
That’s vague there. Looks like a few supplements and 1-Test? Oral or Injectable? Dosage? What do you know about it? Ancillaries? PCT and cycle support?
 
Sorry guys ill be little more specific im 25 about 240 pounds ive actually havent lifted in 3 years due to some things in life. Trying to get back on track and start with aome phs cause thats all i have access to.
My dosage for hi tech 1 test would be 100mg daily androsene
Slintensity is a nutrient partioner still researching it aome more before i order
Pct- hi tech bulasterone which looks like a little more complex natty booster
Dont really need cycle support since it converts to test instead of replacing it synthetically and its orals so maybe some milk thistle for liver support
 
Test 1 also has 50 mg of dhydroxybergmoflin and the gh booater just comes with it free but oddly doesnt specify ingredients on the site
 
Have you used any form of anabolics before? I’d personally stay natural if you’re trying to just get back into lifting, especially since you can take advantage of the muscle memory. If you’re set on using some ph, then I’d go with a 6-8 week stack of andros from olympus labs at the proper dosages. You’d also want a proper serm pct; it will far outperform any otc pct/test booster.
 
Ironeater93 said:
Sorry guys ill be little more specific im 25 about 240 pounds ive actually havent lifted in 3 years due to some things in life. Trying to get back on track and start with aome phs cause thats all i have access to.
My dosage for hi tech 1 test would be 100mg daily androsene
Slintensity is a nutrient partioner still researching it aome more before i order
Pct- hi tech bulasterone which looks like a little more complex natty booster
Dont really need cycle support since it converts to test instead of replacing it synthetically and its orals so maybe some milk thistle for liver support
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Honestly bro I think you need to take a step back here. Theres some holes bigger than a hookers money maker in this plan......

1-test at 100 is pretty pointless, 330 is standard. 100 will give you the negatives but no real benefits

- 1 test isn’t test. Lethargy will be a bitch (assuming you run a proper dose). A very common approach is to stack with 4-ad or 4-Andro (or even epiandro) to off set some of the sides

- on cycle you don’t need nutrient partitioner, you’ll get that from the compounds - save it for post cycle or periods inbetween

- to be honest my first though was that having not lifted for 3 years and being 240lbs you were either fcuking massive then you did lift or my guess is your bf is a bit high (not knocking it bro, if life’s been **** it’s been ****), but if that is the case personally I’d suggest you spend a year just getting training and nutrition nailed, drop some bf and then you’ll get so much more from a cycle

- a natty test booster won’t do anything for pct, you’ll need a proper serum if your running 1-test.

- you do need cycle support bro. Ironically the liver isn’t s major concern as non methyl but get an all in one like CEL cycle assist and look after yourself.
 
I thought I knew about this stuff, PH/DS and supps. But it’s like you’re speaking another language.

It’s like when you talk to a 17 year old that loves hip hop and claims to be a rap fanatic, so you ask him about OutKast and Wu, 2Pac... but he looks at you bewildered and rattles off “T-grizzlespice, Lil Valium, UziMachete Vertical Leap”

And then you realize you don’t know shyt about the “new” stuff out right now...
 
Whisky said:
Honestly bro I think you need to take a step back here. Theres some holes bigger than a hookers money maker in this plan......

1-test at 100 is pretty pointless, 330 is standard. 100 will give you the negatives but no real benefits

- 1 test isn’t test. Lethargy will be a bitch (assuming you run a proper dose). A very common approach is to stack with 4-ad or 4-Andro (or even epiandro) to off set some of the sides

- on cycle you don’t need nutrient partitioner, you’ll get that from the compounds - save it for post cycle or periods inbetween

- to be honest my first though was that having not lifted for 3 years and being 240lbs you were either fcuking massive then you did lift or my guess is your bf is a bit high (not knocking it bro, if life’s been **** it’s been ****), but if that is the case personally I’d suggest you spend a year just getting training and nutrition nailed, drop some bf and then you’ll get so much more from a cycle

- a natty test booster won’t do anything for pct, you’ll need a proper serum if your running 1-test.

- you do need cycle support bro. Ironically the liver isn’t s major concern as non methyl but get an all in one like CEL cycle assist and look after yourself.
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Came in to say this ^^ lol
Thanks for making me not type it all out
 
Matthersby said:
I thought I knew about this stuff, PH/DS and supps. But it’s like you’re speaking another language.

It’s like when you talk to a 17 year old that loves hip hop and claims to be a rap fanatic, so you ask him about OutKast and Wu, 2Pac... but he looks at you bewildered and rattles off “T-grizzlespice, Lil Valium, UziMachete Vertical Leap”

And then you realize you don’t know shyt about the “new” stuff out right now...
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LOL. Yep.
And it doesn't help that companies like Hi Tech like to name their products things like - 1-Test, Anavar, Dbol, Superdrol, and the like. They're just trying to trick some of the newer guys into believing that these are steroids.
 
Renew1 said:
LOL. Yep.
And it doesn't help that companies like Hi Tech like to name their products things like - 1-Test, Anavar, Dbol, Superdrol, and the like. They're just trying to trick some of the newer guys into believing that these are steroids.
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Yea I loved hi-tech for their supplements, especially the dmaa pres, but I’ve never been a big fan of their ph stuff
 
Thanks bro i think ill do that im a little impatient so wanted to feel it out for now so later i could be little more effective with it and i was pretty stout for my age and yes bf is higher then its ever been bout 20 pounds over my usual
 
Hey whisky if i ivr been studying my nutrition , traning plans for a while im definetly taking ur advice into consideration im a pretty broad guy just get bit of belly so if i upped the dose on the 1 test could i get a more positive result for thjs stubborn bf
 
These guys got you covered. Upping the 1-Test aka 1-Andro to at least 330mg will promote lean mass gains. This is all diet dependent though. I dont cut on cycle but I do happen to lose bodyfat.

I've ran andros twice. Once at the standard dosages and once high doses. I ran 1/4 at 550 each and EpiAndro at 1250. Would I run them again....probably not. I felt like dog crap both times. Lethargic...no libido...etc. There are much better options out there than Andros. Anavar or Epistane would be my choices. I would have to say Var cuz Epistane, contrary to what I thought, needed Trest as a base to get me through. 4-AD wouldn't cut it.
 
No never used any form of anabolics before but done my bit of reseatch for a few years buts there always more to learn i understand that and thanks ill look into it for future reference what do you prefer for cycle support?
 
Ironeater93 said:
No never used any form of anabolics before but done my bit of reseatch for a few years buts there always more to learn i understand that and thanks ill look into it for future reference what do you prefer for cycle support?
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Ar1macare pro or k1ngs guard guard would be the two better ones for cycle support
 
BloodManor said:
Chemical one and chemical 4 stack is great for lean gains and is a very mild stack making it great for a first cycle.
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Thanks looking into now gonna order soon im picking out a cycle support atm it does show it will have so conversion into e so would it be enough to worry about or get an al to be on safe side? Also got a new source for anavar i think ima try the phs first to see how well my body handles it before i jump straight into serum
 
I would diet, workout, do intermittent fasting and fasted cardio until I got around 15% BF. Also cycling clen han help tremendously my co-worker was on clen for about 3 months on and off and he went from 5'11 300lbs down to 250 lbs with absolutely no exercise whatsoever.
Cant advise on those compounds but IMO you need a fat burner which is why I recommend clen for quick results.
 
RickyBlobby said:
I would diet, workout, do intermittent fasting and fasted cardio until I got around 15% BF. Also cycling clen han help tremendously my co-worker was on clen for about 3 months on and off and he went from 5'11 300lbs down to 250 lbs with absolutely no exercise whatsoever.
Cant advise on those compounds but IMO you need a fat burner which is why I recommend clen for quick results.
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To be honest I have a different view as I think anyone can get to 15% without any fat burner by just getting nutrition in line.

To me using clen to get there means the basic grasp of solid nutrition won’t exist and weight regain when stopping clen is more likely......and clen isn’t something that should be used overly frequently just due to the health impact.

Getting below 15% and into single digits totally different and using clen myself for that.....

Just my thought on it.
 
To each their own lol.
 
Loads of safe protocols for Clen. We all just want to see everyone be safe and they most likely will be if they put precautions in place...
I could never tolerate sides well with Clen. T3 has been amazing though for me with an understanding of some risk. Discipline and consistency make all the difference with weight loss. Keep at a reasonable goal and chip away week after week. This forum is great for motivation and support.
 
RickyBlobby said:
I would diet, workout, do intermittent fasting and fasted cardio until I got around 15% BF. Also cycling clen han help tremendously my co-worker was on clen for about 3 months on and off and he went from 5'11 300lbs down to 250 lbs with absolutely no exercise whatsoever.
Cant advise on those compounds but IMO you need a fat burner which is why I recommend clen for quick results.
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Havent researched clen is it a ph or serum?
 
It’s albuterol’s nasty little cousin. Thermogenesis + increased epinephrine etc. Its a little uncomfortable but works very well. Just about every research chemical company carries it including the 2 that are sponsored by Anabolic Minds in the Research Chem forum.
 
Ironeater93 said:
Ok fellas new to the site been out the game for years tryna get back on track. I wanna lean out then build my physique from there looking for some opinions on this dynamic duo stack as a first run.
Hi tech 1 testosterone
Evomuse slintensity
Mass zyme gh maximizer
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If you've been out of the game, why not get back on track with proper nutrition and training before you cycle?
 
AntM1564 said:
If you've been out of the game, why not get back on track with proper nutrition and training before you cycle?
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Ive been preparing this for few months now been doing cardio ive dropped down 23 pounds but wanna get back to lifting to start my build to so it can be easier to kill the rest of this fat
 
Matthersby said:
It’s albuterol’s nasty little cousin. Thermogenesis + increased epinephrine etc. Its a little uncomfortable but works very well. Just about every research chemical company carries it including the 2 that are sponsored by Anabolic Minds in the Research Chem forum.
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Do you suggest clen for a first timer on any anabolics?
 
No. For one reason. It raised my bp a bit high on cycle in the past. And it was hard to determine which was causing it, so I abandoned the whole cycle. If it’s a first go on hormones, run that and determine how it treats you. AAS is better than anything on this planet for fat loss when in a calorie deficit. Because nothing preserves muscle better. I don’t care to lose 3 lbs and have 1.5 of it be muscle.
 
I just started up after an injury that set me back a year. and I lost 7% bf just using AAS. And eating clean. I’m just now finally lean enough that I’m adding some T3 for the rest of the Summer. I wanted as much muscle and as little fat on me before I started introducing fat burners.
 
Matthersby said:
No. For one reason. It raised my bp a bit high on cycle in the past. And it was hard to determine which was causing it, so I abandoned the whole cycle. If it’s a first go on hormones, run that and determine how it treats you. AAS is better than anything on this planet for fat loss when in a calorie deficit. Because nothing preserves muscle better. I don’t care to lose 3 lbs and have 1.5 of it be muscle.
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Yep this ^^^^

Key is you need to have nutrition dialled in regardless, aas clen or anything else won’t be as effective if it isn’t. All these carry some sort of risk (we can minimise them but you can’t totally get rid of the risks) so makes sense to me you want to maximise the return if you do run anything
 
Matthersby said:
I just started up after an injury that set me back a year. and I lost 7% bf just using AAS. And eating clean. I’m just now finally lean enough that I’m adding some T3 for the rest of the Summer. I wanted as much muscle and as little fat on me before I started introducing fat burners.
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Awesome thanks bro you guys have been more then helpful im gonna try the andros and diet is in check atm always gonna be tweaks here and there but im confident im gonna get some good result
 
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