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LGD-4033 and S23 log

Hyde said:
Been on S23 2 weeks at 15mg as of tomorrow and it’s tinted my urine some as soon as I began it. Not bad, but I’m on 500mg TUDCA & 1,200mg NAC plus a gram of ALA/day. There shouldn’t be ANY tint.

This stuff does have some effect on the liver, make no mistake. I wish I had done Methylclostebol at 75mg if I had known that. Especially considering I have to drink 1.5ml of alcohol every morning instead of caps. Doubt I’ll be buying S23 again.
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The change in urine color had been reported by several users which is why I decided not to run it. 1 user had blood tests on cycle and liver values were out of range. How long will you be running your cycle for or are you going to discontinue instead?
 
Hyde said:
Been on S23 2 weeks at 15mg as of tomorrow and it’s tinted my urine some as soon as I began it. Not bad, but I’m on 500mg TUDCA & 1,200mg NAC plus a gram of ALA/day. There shouldn’t be ANY tint.

This stuff does have some effect on the liver, make no mistake. I wish I had done Methylclostebol at 75mg if I had known that. Especially considering I have to drink 1.5ml of alcohol every morning instead of caps. Doubt I’ll be buying S23 again.
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That's crazy. I'm not on any liver support, been drinking alcohol like crazy and my pee is still crystal clear.
 
Maybe I have a super mutant liver that regenerates like deadpool
 
Oh, and my libido is definitely UP on S23. No doubt
 
JoePaul39 said:
The change in urine color had been reported by several users which is why I decided not to run it. 1 user had blood tests on cycle and liver values were out of range. How long will you be running your cycle for or are you going to discontinue instead?
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They will come back; I’m not worried in the least and will run all 40 days of the S23 in this cycle. I’m just disappointed because I was hoping it would be milder on liver like S4 so I could just stack it in without as much overall toxicity. The stuff is definitely adding a bit of size and strength.

RickyBlobby said:
Oh, and my libido is definitely UP on S23. No doubt
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We are using the same brand so I suspect it’s differences in our bodies. I am impressed with the Toremifene by them as well.

My libido has been great but I attributed that to the 6-9 pumps of Androhard androsterone I am applying each day, so I can’t comment.
 
Hyde said:
Been on S23 2 weeks at 15mg as of tomorrow and it’s tinted my urine some as soon as I began it. Not bad, but I’m on 500mg TUDCA & 1,200mg NAC plus a gram of ALA/day. There shouldn’t be ANY tint.

This stuff does have some effect on the liver, make no mistake. I wish I had done Methylclostebol at 75mg if I had known that. Especially considering I have to drink 1.5ml of alcohol every morning instead of caps. Doubt I’ll be buying S23 again.
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How is your S23 run going, any gains? I may change my mind about it and run it with proper liver support. You mentioned taking a gram of ALA for support, what does this stand for
because if I do it I want all the support possible? Do you think it is too liver toxic to run for 8 weeks as a stand-alone anabolic?
 
JoePaul39 said:
How is your S23 run going, any gains? I may change my mind about it and run it with proper liver support. You mentioned taking a gram of ALA for support, what does this stand for
because if I do it I want all the support possible? Do you think it is too liver toxic to run for 8 weeks as a stand-alone anabolic?
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It is certainly not too toxic with good support.

Alpha Lipoic Acid is a powerful antioxidant that has actually been proven to extend life. It has a lot of mechanisms that I don’t remotely understand, but if you take it your blood work will be better and it’s dirt cheap. It will clear blood glucose so take it just prior to a carb meal or before bed for deeper sleep (but this gives me wicked heartburn). 600-1,500mg ed, together or divided. John Meadows’ doctor, Dr Eric Serrano, is big on it. Other guys on here turned me onto it some years ago.

I’m on quite a cocktail of low-dosed compounds so I can’t say what’s responsible for what exactly, but S23 will definitely let you hold more glycogen & water. Noticed it right away when I started it - I can hold more bloat if diet promotes that.
 
Hyde said:
It is certainly not too toxic with good support.

Alpha Lipoic Acid is a powerful antioxidant that has actually been proven to extend life. It has a lot of mechanisms that I don’t remotely understand, but if you take it your blood work will be better and it’s dirt cheap. It will clear blood glucose so take it just prior to a carb meal or before bed for deeper sleep (but this gives me wicked heartburn). 600-1,500mg ed, together or divided. John Meadows’ doctor, Dr Eric Serrano, is big on it. Other guys on here turned me onto it some years ago.

I’m on quite a cocktail of low-dosed compounds so I can’t say what’s responsible for what exactly, but S23 will definitely let you hold more glycogen & water. Noticed it right away when I started it - I can hold more bloat if diet promotes that.
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Thanks for the useful info. I will buy the Alpha Acid. I noticed It is fairly cheap from The manufacturer Now Foods. Your lifts up?
 
Well I overestimated how much S23 I had left, ended up on 5mg a day for the last 4 days. MA had credit card issues so I ordered some from PRE. Should be here tomorrow, then back in full force.
 
JoePaul39 said:
Thanks for the useful info. I will buy the Alpha Acid. I noticed It is fairly cheap from The manufacturer Now Foods. Your lifts up?
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Yeah, but anavar and dymethazine and androsterone tend to have that effect lol

Can’t ever go wrong with NOW.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Well I overestimated how much S23 I had left, ended up on 5mg a day for the last 4 days. MA had credit card issues so I ordered some from PRE. Should be here tomorrow, then back in full force.
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Still taking orders.
 
YoungThor said:
How long do you plan on running the cycle?
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Until I get bored with it or die from side effects

At least 12 weeks. At which point I'll take a month off, maybe do a cleanse, then go into a test/ LGD/rad cycle or a test/ tbol cycle for another 12. Hopefuly I'll be lean enough this time and can bulk. My dumb ass gets so fat 15-20%during the winter its hell just to look decent for summer so I fotta go on an all out cut when I'm cycling. If I would've said **** my physique 5 years ago when I started and just bulked, I'd be 230lbs by now.
 
Sh1t if i said **** my physique i could be 230 by the end of the month lol
RickyBlobby said:
Until I get bored with it or die from side effects

At least 12 weeks. At which point I'll take a month off, maybe do a cleanse, then go into a test/ LGD/rad cycle or a test/ tbol cycle for another 12. Hopefuly I'll be lean enough this time and can bulk. My dumb ass gets so fat 15-20%during the winter its hell just to look decent for summer so I fotta go on an all out cut when I'm cycling. If I would've said **** my physique 5 years ago when I started and just bulked, I'd be 230lbs by now.
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RickyBlobby said:
Until I get bored with it or die from side effects

At least 12 weeks. At which point I'll take a month off, maybe do a cleanse, then go into a test/ LGD/rad cycle or a test/ tbol cycle for another 12. Hopefuly I'll be lean enough this time and can bulk. My dumb ass gets so fat 15-20%during the winter its hell just to look decent for summer so I fotta go on an all out cut when I'm cycling. If I would've said **** my physique 5 years ago when I started and just bulked, I'd be 230lbs by now.
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That’s the spirit! We need more guys like you to balance out the overly cautious types. I think I’m gonna order at least a 16 week supply of lgd today and just run it till my d1ck stops working......and then I’ll add trest.
 
Hyde said:
Been on S23 2 weeks at 15mg as of tomorrow and it’s tinted my urine some as soon as I began it. Not bad, but I’m on 500mg TUDCA & 1,200mg NAC plus a gram of ALA/day. There shouldn’t be ANY tint.

This stuff does have some effect on the liver, make no mistake. I wish I had done Methylclostebol at 75mg if I had known that. Especially considering I have to drink 1.5ml of alcohol every morning instead of caps. Doubt I’ll be buying S23 again.
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Tell me about it.
I was on liver supps and 1.5 gallons of water at the least and my piss was orange...nope not for me.
My piss is NEVER dark. Freaked me out!!
 
Cgkone said:
Tell me about it.
I was on liver supps and 1.5 gallons of water at the least and my piss was orange...nope not for me.
My piss is NEVER dark. Freaked me out!!
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Just when I am about to jump in on the S23 train I read comments like this and think I may be better off just getting some YK 11 to stack with LGD to save my liver. That is a pretty scary story about the piss man and this from a guy who has run a lot of different anabolics!
 
Cgkone said:
DOOOO IIIIIT!
Lets see you bench 405lb!!
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As much as i want to bench 405 i want to be able to bench 405 and look good too lol. I think im sitting in a pretty good spot for my next blast im gonna hit it hard and i think ill be able to get close. Switching up my lifting routine and maybe that'll help my numbers go up
 
Darkened or colored urine isn't always a sign of liver stress. LOTS of compounds will turn the urine color that have no effect on liver function (vitamins; some of which can turn the urine orange), while other compounds are significantly liver toxic and cause little to no discoloration of the urine (Tylenol).

S23 is not methylated and has MINIMAL impact on the liver. Before anyone starts claiming that a non-methylated SARM is significantly liver toxic, please brandish some research (it doesn't exist) showing this is the case, or at least get some blood work. However, before getting blood work make sure you take at least a week off training, as training itself will increase liver enzymes (potentially very significantly; well outside the normal range) for a whole week after training. There's plenty if research to prove that.

Also, keep in mind that almost EVERY compound is inherently liver toxic to some degree, including testosterone, food related metabolites, etc. Even things we consider completely benign (to the liver) can cause some degree of liver stress when utilized/consumed to excess. So, if someone is using 5X the recommend dose of a SARM, there may be some increase in liver enzymes. However, they will still be far lower than what one would experience with known, toxic compounds, such as methylated AAS.

Besides, the liver is NOT what I would be concerned with. How many people do you know who are dying from liver failure...or experiencing serious, long-term negative health effects from from liver toxic compounds like oral AAS? No one. This is because the liver regenerates. It's JOB is to process toxins. Simply having elevated liver enzymes is NOT a sign of liver damage. It is a sign that your liver is doing its job--processing the toxins in your bloodstream.

I would be MUCH more concerned with the cardiovascular system than the liver...because the cardiovascular system does NOT repair itself like the liver does. It does and will to some degree, but long-term damage can and often is done to steroid users...especially those who use methylated AAS regularly. Methylated AAS are WAY, WAY worse on the cardiovascular system than SARMs.

Anyone who thinks that switching to oral AAS isn't going to be any worse for their health than taking SARMs better think again. I see way too much emphasis on liver heath around here in comparison to the organ system that really matters--the cardiovascular system. Protect THAT!

Now, I am NOT saying the liver isn't important. Of course it is. What I am saying is that 99% of people won't experience any serious, long-term liver issues from PED's, regardless of whether they use liver care products or not.
But...anyone who uses AAS long-term, especially methylated drugs, certainly will experience cardiovascular problems--problems that matter.
 
Mike Arnold said:
Darkened or colored urine isn't always a sign of liver stress. LOTS of compounds will turn the urine color that have no effect on liver function (vitamins; some of which can turn the urine orange), while other compounds are significantly liver toxic and cause little to no discoloration of the urine (Tylenol).

S23 is not methylated and has MINIMAL impact on the liver. Before any starts claiming that a non-methylated SARM is significantly liver toxic, please brandish some research (it doesn't exist) showing this is the case, or at least get some blood work. However, before getting blood work make sure you take at least a week off training, as training itself will increase liver enzymes (potentially very significantly; well outside the normal range) for a whole week after training. There's plenty if research to prove that.

Also, keep in mind that almost EVERY compound is inherently liver toxic to some degree, including testosterone, food related metabolites, etc. Even things we consider completely benign (to the liver) can cause some degree of liver stress when utilized/consumed to excess. So, if someone is using 5X the recommend dose of a SARM, there may be some increase in liver enzymes. however, they will still be far lower than what one would experience with known, toxic compound, such as methylated AAS.
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I actually new some were saying it may be liver toxic. I'm down to take toxic stuff. It was just weird piss and I didn't like the gains. I may just respond to s23 weird, but they were sloppy gains.
I'm still a SARM fan. They have a place in this game.
I still plan to run lgd at 30mg( upon your suggestion)
S4 is the sh1t while cruising
 
Mike Arnold said:
Darkened or colored urine isn't always a sign of liver stress. LOTS of compounds will turn the urine color that have no effect on liver function (vitamins; some of which can turn the urine orange), while other compounds are significantly liver toxic and cause little to no discoloration of the urine (Tylenol).

S23 is not methylated and has MINIMAL impact on the liver. Before any starts claiming that a non-methylated SARM is significantly liver toxic, please brandish some research (it doesn't exist) showing this is the case, or at least get some blood work. However, before getting blood work make sure you take at least a week off training, as training itself will increase liver enzymes (potentially very significantly; well outside the normal range) for a whole week after training. There's plenty if research to prove that.

Also, keep in mind that almost EVERY compound is inherently liver toxic to some degree, including testosterone, food related metabolites, etc. Even things we consider completely benign (to the liver) can cause some degree of liver stress when utilized/consumed to excess. So, if someone is using 5X the recommend dose of a SARM, there may be some increase in liver enzymes. However, they will still be far lower than what one would experience with known, toxic compounds, such as methylated AAS.

Besides, the liver is NOT what I would be concerned with. How many people do you know who are dying from liver failure...or experiencing serious, long-term negative health effects from from liver toxic compounds like oral AAS? No one. This is because the liver regenerates. It's JOB is to process toxins. Simply having elevated liver enzymes is NOT a sign of liver damage. It is a sign that your liver is doing its job--processing the toxins in your bloodstream.

I would be MUCH more concerned with the cardiovascular system than the liver...because the cardiovascular system does NOT repair itself like the liver does. It does and will to some degree, but long-term damage can and often is done to steroid users...especially those who use methylated AAS regularly. Methylated AAS are WAY, WAY worse on the cardiovascular system than SARMs.

Anyone who thinks that switching to oral AAS isn't going to be any worse for their health than taking SARMs better think again. I see way too much emphasis on liver heath around here in comparison to the organ system that really matters--the cardiovascular system. Protect THAT!

Now, I am NOT saying the liver isn't important. Of course it is. What I am saying is that 99% of people won't experience any serious, long-term liver issues from PED's, regardless of whether they use liver care products or not.
But...anyone who uses AAS long-term, especially methylated drugs, certainly will experience cardiovascular problems--problems that matter.
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This! My father in law had hepatitis C, and drank liquor like crazy and ate like 10 grams of tylenol a day. For years! The liver is a bad mofo
 
I've known 12 people who have died from liver failure.
But they all shot up drugs , had hep c for decades. And drank homemade whitelighting weekly.
 
Mike Arnold said:
Darkened or colored urine isn't always a sign of liver stress. LOTS of compounds will turn the urine color that have no effect on liver function (vitamins; some of which can turn the urine orange), while other compounds are significantly liver toxic and cause little to no discoloration of the urine (Tylenol).

S23 is not methylated and has MINIMAL impact on the liver. Before any starts claiming that a non-methylated SARM is significantly liver toxic, please brandish some research (it doesn't exist) showing this is the case, or at least get some blood work. However, before getting blood work make sure you take at least a week off training, as training itself will increase liver enzymes (potentially very significantly; well outside the normal range) for a whole week after training. There's plenty if research to prove that.

Also, keep in mind that almost EVERY compound is inherently liver toxic to some degree, including testosterone, food related metabolites, etc. Even things we consider completely benign (to the liver) can cause some degree of liver stress when utilized/consumed to excess. So, if someone is using 5X the recommend dose of a SARM, there may be some increase in liver enzymes. However, they will still be far lower than what one would experience with known, toxic compounds, such as methylated AAS.

Besides, the liver is NOT what I would be concerned with. How many people do you know who are dying from liver failure...or experiencing serious, long-term negative health effects from from liver toxic compounds like oral AAS? No one. This is because the liver regenerates. It's JOB is to process toxins. Simply having elevated liver enzymes is NOT a sign of liver damage. It is a sign that your liver is doing its job--processing the toxins in your bloodstream.

I would be MUCH more concerned with the cardiovascular system than the liver...because the cardiovascular system does NOT repair itself like the liver does. It does and will to some degree, but long-term damage can and often is done to steroid users...especially those who use methylated AAS regularly. Methylated AAS are WAY, WAY worse on the cardiovascular system than SARMs.

Anyone who thinks that switching to oral AAS isn't going to be any worse for their health than taking SARMs better think again. I see way too much emphasis on liver heath around here in comparison to the organ system that really matters--the cardiovascular system. Protect THAT!

Now, I am NOT saying the liver isn't important. Of course it is. What I am saying is that 99% of people won't experience any serious, long-term liver issues from PED's, regardless of whether they use liver care products or not.
But...anyone who uses AAS long-term, especially methylated drugs, certainly will experience cardiovascular problems--problems that matter.
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Good points!
 
Cgkone said:
I've known 12 people who have died from liver failure.
But they all shot up drugs , had hep c for decades. And drank homemade whitelighting weekly.
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I know of only one person who is currently dying of liver disease (don’t know anyone who has actually died from it). The woman was a nightly drinker though, not a user of anabolics.
 
JoePaul39 said:
I know of only one person who is currently dying of liver disease (don’t know anyone who has actually died from it). The woman was a nightly drinker though, not a user of anabolics.
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I've grown up around a ruff bunch.
Literally California's worse. I've seen a guy shoot up with gutter water haha. Wish we had camera phones then.
 
Halfway through week 9. At 30mg S23 a day and test c 100mg/ week.

Started at 192 went up to 198 and down to 196. Also down probably 3-4% bodyfat and looking better and fuller in the mirror.

Been averaging a 500 calorie deficit, using clen the past couple weeks at low dose (up to 60 MCG a day). The clen has definitely been beneficial in my progress.

Diet and training have not been spot on, due to lots of activities/ partying/ hung over days. Averaging 3 workouts a week. Intermittent fasting 2-3 times a week with light cardio while fasted. Been drinking beer at will, sweet drinks and snacks kept to a minimum. Other than that trying to stick to low carb, high protein foods.

No negative sides to speak except muscle cramps on hangover days. No support supps other then fish oil and B vitamin complex (mostly concerned with heart health). Quite pleased with the results so far all things considered. Gonna stay on cycle until this bottle of S23 runs out, maybe 2 more weeks then give final review as well as 4 week post cycle stats.
 
Should have my 12 weeks worth of var any day now. Its gonna be hard not to jump on that immediately lol, I love what var does to my physique. Gonna try Spurfy's Var/ creatine protocol next.
 
Good luck with that bro. The creatine is a killer. No matter how much water I drank I always felt thirsty and nausea
 
solidsnake said:
Good luck with that bro. The creatine is a killer. No matter how much water I drank I always felt thirsty and nausea
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Yeah I don't plan on taking more than 5grams 2-3x a day. I cant deal with constant nausea. How's your cycle coming along?
 
Really good actually, stopped taking creatine about 5 days ago and my crea-gut has practically gone and Lot more definition has appeared. I’m still getting stronger by the day. I really can’t believe var would make me this strong. I’m gonna but 50gr of raw var and make my own caps for the next run. It will be insane. Got a week left on this run. Very happy. The scale has on gone down 1 k in 6 weeks but the image in the mirror is one of total recomp! Looking hard, vascular and ****1ng strong...
 
Fantastic. Honestly I don't think I will try even close to 30 grams of creatine. No one other than spurfy who has tried this has anything positive to say about it lol
 
I did 30 for a week. Never again. 20 Max for me. 15 even better. Felt like utter sh1te on 30. Never thought I’d be talking about creatine sides like this haha!
 
RickyBlobby said:
Fantastic. Honestly I don't think I will try even close to 30 grams of creatine. No one other than spurfy who has tried this has anything positive to say about it lol
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It definitely changes the taste of coffee for the worst - if you wanna dissolve it to remove GI distress as he recommends, I recommend heating water for it and pounding it after it’s cooled vs ruining your coffee.
 
Yeah I've been reading reviews on bulk supplements micronized creation mono and pretty much everyone is saying it dissolves completely in just about anything, at only $18 for a kilo I think that's the brand I'm going to go with.
 
So are you gonna be running anavar and a super high dose of creatine based on some kind of theory? What’s the theory behind this cycle? Is there an article I can read about it?
 
YoungThor said:
So are you gonna be running anavar and a super high dose of creatine based on some kind of theory? What’s the theory behind this cycle? Is there an article I can read about it?
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Spurfy swears that 30g of creatine and anavar have some magical synergy. Solidsnake tried it, couldn't stomach quite 30g but he said that it worked pretty amazing. There are several aricles online that talk about their synergy. Something about shuttling way more creatine into the muscle than what is capable without it.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Spurfy swears that 30g of creatine and anavar have some magical synergy. Solidsnake tried it, couldn't stomach quite 30g but he said that it worked pretty amazing. There are several aricles online that talk about their synergy. Something about shuttling way more creatine into the muscle than what is capable without it.
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With my creatine experience it makes sense. On a 6repx4set 5 day split I could do 8reps of the same weight. 30% load increase. This was with test/deca/eq/winny usage, not Var.
Var boosting strength as it does also increases load, plus it's anabolic rating theoretically should allow a great healing rate.
In a perfect world, stupidly high load increase with faster anabolism.
 
Got half a bottle of S23 left. Bumped up to 40mg/day for the past couple of days, gonna stay there till bottle is gone. No obvious increase in side effects other than a bit more of a tendency to cramp if flexing without load.
 
No achy joints so not completely dry like winny. Not as much fullness as TBOL. Reminds me of anavar more than anything.
 
I just finished ~40 days at 15mg and don’t feel like it made a big difference (and definitely didn’t notice any sides). So I definitely wouldn’t recommend less than that and will be trying more like 25-30 if I try it again in the future.
 
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