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11 oxo solo run

rowz4broz said:
This cycle including pct is going cost about 300.

I have no problem spending that for some gains and little to no suppression

I’m going to pm you about the 11kt
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It's pretty mild(a lot), I recommend to stack it or run higher dose. Recommend 11td from transformations labs
 
I’m cool with mild this will be the perfect baseline to see how my body responds with androgens.

I’ve purchased the 11 oxo plan is to run it 600/600/600/900/900/900/900 (I need to take a look at bottle again may be able to get another week of 900 in there) torem will be used for pct.

Edit 4 and 1/2 weeks of 900mg dosing and 3 weeks of 600 mg dosing. Just confirmed

Would you mind sharing your bloodwork and thread?
 
First time hearing this one. Think the lethargy might kick in?

Did you see the thread about clomid on cycle? Supposedly helps with LH since I’m running ralox on cycle think this may help with LH and keeping lethargy at bay?
 
rowz4broz said:
First time hearing this one. Think the lethargy might kick in?

Did you see the thread about clomid on cycle? Supposedly helps with LH since I’m running ralox on cycle think this may help with LH and keeping lethargy at bay?
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Like I said i doubt you needed one. I was actually one of the big proponents of serms on cycle. It's just ralox may not he the best choice for that purpose. It's should be better than nothing and also 11-oxo is super mild. So you should be fine. Just thought I would mention it as some may still get lethargic.
 
Yeah like I echoed this is why I will be breaking my cherry with this PH. I know I am dosing it higher and won’t be starting this cycle for about a month so I’ll keep an eye on this thread and see if Test base is continually recommended. I actually wanted to pick up a bottle of Epi Andro but my hairline is already shot and I don’t eanna **** it up more. I’d end up going with some dermaxrine
 
rowz4broz said:
Yeah like I echoed this is why I will be breaking my cherry with this PH. I know I am dosing it higher and won’t be starting this cycle for about a month so I’ll keep an eye on this thread and see if Test base is continually recommended. I actually wanted to pick up a bottle of Epi Andro but my hairline is already shot and I don’t eanna **** it up more. I’d end up going with some dermaxrine
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You won't need a test base on the dosages you are using here. Honestly you are probably going to be pretty disappointed with the cycle, I would add something anabolic in there and then maybe something like Dermacrine with it.
 
rowz4broz said:
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Not pictured: **** ton of ralox (MA) and exem (MA) missing anything ????
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Happy that you are exploring new territory!

Honestly though, with all the money you spent on ancillary products...I just kind of feel like you should make it more worth your while and add in a stronger compound. The ancillary products are actually stronger than the prohormone you are running.

I would like to see you consider something like Epistane, Cynostane, or Hexadrone for your first cycle....and add some Dermacrine :)

Just my honest opinion..
 
NoAddedHmones said:
You won't need a test base on the dosages you are using here. Honestly you are probably going to be pretty disappointed with the cycle, I would add something anabolic in there and then maybe something like Dermacrine with it.
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Ricky10 said:
Happy that you are exploring new territory!

Honestly though, with all the money you spent on ancillary products...I just kind of feel like you should make it more worth your while and add in a stronger compound. The ancillary products are actually stronger than the prohormone you are running.

I would like to see you consider something like Epistane, Cynostane, or Hexadrone for your first cycle....and add some Dermacrine :)

Just my honest opinion..
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100% appreciate the feedback from you guys. My expectation with this is realistic. I do not expect to gain any weight. I expect to remain the same wight and drop 2-3% body fat alongside a dialed in diet. This is infact my first PH cycle and while many are eager to jump in full guns blazing I rather play it the safer route. If this goes well I plan on running another cycle. Eyeing epistane alongside dermacrine.

From the research I have conducted on this product from PA I am using it at a higher and what is considered anabolic dosage. So while I am prepared for minimal gains and minimal sides I would not be surprised if I actually do make some decent gains and experience some sides.

(As i finished typing this I was was considering adding in something more anabolic... potentially T-Bol as this is something that aligns with my goals for my upcoming cycle... more research for me to do!)

edit - NoAddedHmones the TD 11KT product that OL UK produced at one time. What was your experience with it? Believe it was about 250mg of 11KT and I would hope that 900mg of 11-oxo would be close to that after its conversion to 11kt
 
If I was you Id just run it as is and not add in anything and see how you respond. After all you dont have experience with ph's if I remember correctly.
 
ax1 said:
If I was you Id just run it as is and not add in anything and see how you respond. After all you dont have experience with ph's if I remember correctly.
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This is correct, have run probably every natty anabolic under the sun. But, felt that I have too much knowledge, because of this site, on how to successfully cycle to not run something lol. Esp when I had buddies run PH (tri-bol> or some **** like that) back in the dayand when I asked him what his PCT was he said " what is that " ......
 
I just hope you do get something out of it and come away from this feeling like you actually did go through your first prohormone cycle. It would be a shame to invest in all the time/money/product to come out of this feeling like you ultimately didn’t get to experience how your body reacts to prohormones....during and after.

Having said that, if you go through this and have a great experience...that will be one thing. I just don’t really think it will give you a true sense of what it is like to be on epistane for example. On many levels, I can see the logic in your approach though and of course I hope this works out well for you!
 
Stack 11-OXO with Hdrol at 75 / 100mg. Best cutting stack i did so far. No hairloss with Hdrol, in fact, you will lose more hair with 11OXO than Hdrol.

11OXO made me shed some hair. But the fat loss with this stack is outstanding.
 
-RONIN- said:
Stack 11-OXO with Hdrol at 75 / 100mg. Best cutting stack i did so far. No hairloss with Hdrol, in fact, you will lose more hair with 11OXO than Hdrol.

11OXO made me shed some hair. But the fat loss with this stack is outstanding.
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H-Drol is something I have still never tried, but I have always been curious about it though. Certainly another top option for a first run.
 
-RONIN- said:
Stack 11-OXO with Hdrol at 75 / 100mg. Best cutting stack i did so far. No hairloss with Hdrol, in fact, you will lose more hair with 11OXO than Hdrol.

11OXO made me shed some hair. But the fat loss with this stack is outstanding.
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Shedding hair with 11 oxo?!?! Nooooooo. And you know it’s funny that you mention hdrol if you look up a few posts I was saying that I wanted to do either tbol or epi. I saw your recommendation and looked it up. Hdrol is the ph to Tbol :) I didn’t know that till now! Any benefits of hdrol over Tbol? I found some legit hdrol (not that new Gaspari reforumulation which looks like a 1 Andro and 4 Andro product) but if I were to add in some hdrol I think I would have to change around my cycle a little. And get my hands on some tudca + _____? What do you reccomend?
 
rowz4broz said:
Shedding hair with 11 oxo?!?! Nooooooo. And you know it’s funny that you mention hdrol if you look up a few posts I was saying that I wanted to do either tbol or epi. I saw your recommendation and looked it up. Hdrol is the ph to Tbol :) I didn’t know that till now! Any benefits of hdrol over Tbol? I found some legit hdrol (not that new Gaspari reforumulation which looks like a 1 Andro and 4 Andro product) but if I were to add in some hdrol I think I would have to change around my cycle a little. And get my hands on some tudca + _____? What do you reccomend?
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Hdrol converts to tbol at a small rate. It is mostly active on its own but is still very similar to tbol. I ran hdol and 11-oxo together and had no issues with hair loss and I'm very prone. If you're worried about the sides then run hdrol at 50mgs for 5-6 weeks alongside 11-oxo.
 
rowz4broz said:
Shedding hair with 11 oxo?!?! Nooooooo. And you know it’s funny that you mention hdrol if you look up a few posts I was saying that I wanted to do either tbol or epi. I saw your recommendation and looked it up. Hdrol is the ph to Tbol :) I didn’t know that till now! Any benefits of hdrol over Tbol? I found some legit hdrol (not that new Gaspari reforumulation which looks like a 1 Andro and 4 Andro product) but if I were to add in some hdrol I think I would have to change around my cycle a little. And get my hands on some tudca + _____? What do you reccomend?
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Keep in mind its going to be harder to keep your gains on stronger pro-hormones and steroids. Gains from 11-oxo may possibly be much easier to maintain, especially depending on what season it is. Keep in mind what time of year it is. Most people want to lean out. You may need to remain slightly above maintenance through our pct or alot of your gains may go bye bye on hdrol or tbol. Personally I think Hdrol or other similar products are best for mild to all out bulk in off season where you can afford to gain a little fat especially during pct. Just my opinion and not saying you cant have a successful re-comp with hdrol this time of year, I dont mean it that way. Just something to think about.
 
Now that we have all succeeded in making you second guess everything..

Just get some Havoc from you know where and enjoy watching yourself get ripped for summer :)
 
rowz4broz said:
100% appreciate the feedback from you guys. My expectation with this is realistic. I do not expect to gain any weight. I expect to remain the same wight and drop 2-3% body fat alongside a dialed in diet. This is infact my first PH cycle and while many are eager to jump in full guns blazing I rather play it the safer route. If this goes well I plan on running another cycle. Eyeing epistane alongside dermacrine.

From the research I have conducted on this product from PA I am using it at a higher and what is considered anabolic dosage. So while I am prepared for minimal gains and minimal sides I would not be surprised if I actually do make some decent gains and experience some sides.

(As i finished typing this I was was considering adding in something more anabolic... potentially T-Bol as this is something that aligns with my goals for my upcoming cycle... more research for me to do!)

edit - NoAddedHmones the TD 11KT product that OL UK produced at one time. What was your experience with it? Believe it was about 250mg of 11KT and I would hope that 900mg of 11-oxo would be close to that after its conversion to 11kt
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Yeah 11-kt is one of my fav compounds. Works good solo and especially great stacked with also anything else. it does need to be dosed pretty damn high orally and to be anabolic via TD at least 250mg+ ive found to be the min. 11-oxo also has rubbish oral absorption, of what is, only a small amount is converted into 11-kt..
 
210LBS said:
Hdrol converts to tbol at a small rate. It is mostly active on its own but is still very similar to tbol. I ran hdol and 11-oxo together and had no issues with hair loss and I'm very prone. If you're worried about the sides then run hdrol at 50mgs for 5-6 weeks alongside 11-oxo.
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So what I'm doing right now is reading up on experiences of people with tbol (more information available on this the hdrol) can i expect the side effects to be similar? With your cycle that you previously ran what dosages did you run oxo and hdrol at?
 
ax1 said:
Keep in mind its going to be harder to keep your gains on stronger pro-hormones and steroids. Gains from 11-oxo may possibly be much easier to maintain, especially depending on what season it is. Keep in mind what time of year it is. Most people want to lean out. You may need to remain slightly above maintenance through our pct or alot of your gains may go bye bye on hdrol or tbol. Personally I think Hdrol or other similar products are best for mild to all out bulk in off season where you can afford to gain a little fat especially during pct. Just my opinion and not saying you cant have a successful re-comp with hdrol this time of year, I dont mean it that way. Just something to think about.
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honestly i keep reading up on the recommendations in here and seeing "beginner friendly" and "perfect for a first ph" and getting really excited... in the back of my mind i just don't think stacking two PH's is ideal for a first cycle.

something that I have been thinking about is running TD Formanstane alongside the 11 oxo... i think they would compliment each other very well. Also, from what I'm gather formanstane is MINIMALLY suppressive
 
Ricky10 said:
Now that we have all succeeded in making you second guess everything..

Just get some Havoc from you know where and enjoy watching yourself get ripped for summer :)
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Havoc looks like a good one man! epi will probably be my next cycle (funny that I'm already thinking about next cycle) my only concern is that I have read this is a DHT steroid and like i mentioned earlier I'm trying to save the hair! lol because of this I like how tbol looks but i do keep seeing "epi>tbol"
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Yeah 11-kt is one of my fav compounds. Works good solo and especially great stacked with also anything else. it does need to be dosed pretty damn high orally and to be anabolic via TD at least 250mg+ ive found to be the min. 11-oxo also has rubbish oral absorption, of what is, only a small amount is converted into 11-kt..
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Does OL still have TD 11kt??
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Yeah 11-kt is one of my fav compounds. Works good solo and especially great stacked with also anything else. it does need to be dosed pretty damn high orally and to be anabolic via TD at least 250mg+ ive found to be the min. 11-oxo also has rubbish oral absorption, of what is, only a small amount is converted into 11-kt..
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did you run it solo at any point? based off this post as well I'm figuring that you do not think 900mg or oral oxo ='s 250mg of TD kt, correct?
 
rowz4broz said:
Havoc looks like a good one man! epi will probably be my next cycle (funny that I'm already thinking about next cycle) my only concern is that I have read this is a DHT steroid and like i mentioned earlier I'm trying to save the hair! lol because of this I like how tbol looks but i do keep seeing "epi>tbol"
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Well I developed hereditary MPB very early and shaved/buzzed my head way before I started any prohormones. So I can’t comment on any personal experiences on the hair front. I’m not not sure if people just usually get a temporary increase in shedding, and after the DHT derived prohormone cycle is over...all goes back to normal? I would assume so..?

One of the advantages of DHT derivatives is that they tend to be libido and performance friendly!
 
NoAddedHmones said:
I like IL's stuff but if its dosed at 80ish mg a ml still, you are going to need an army of bottles for a solo cycle.
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I loved their Triumphalis. Sounds like I'd bet better off running Var for the price. So really there is no cost effective/potent 11kt on the market?
 
mikeymike85 said:
I loved their Triumphalis. Sounds like I'd bet better off running Var for the price. So really there is no cost effective/potent 11kt on the market?
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I am currently on Methyldiazirinol...love it! Running it with Hexadrone as I have the past 2 years heading into summer.

I tend to keep going back to the combo because it has treated me so well in the past..
 
mikeymike85 said:
Wtf! Where did you get it from, or did you stock up pre ban?
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A stack of the two compounds together was still available last year (very limited) called Xtreme Shred. That was about the last of that product.

I am lucky enough that my local privately owned supplement store was carrying both separately...quite a few other goodies as well:)
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Nah no longer make it.



I have used 11-oxo at that dose (and higher) and can confidently say its nowhere near close to 250mg td 11-kt or even 125mg for that matter.
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^^ This. TD at 250mg was far superior for me than oral 900mg.

And yes, when i passed oral 600mg i had shedding. At 900mg the shedding had increase, im not the only one, theres a lot of reviews at other forums with the same problem as me. Is dose dependent i think.

I dont think you will need tudca with hdrol + 11oxo, i didnt use it at least.

Outstanding results with this stack. For bulking i will used other ph, not hdrol, there are better options.
 
rowz4broz said:
So what I'm doing right now is reading up on experiences of people with tbol (more information available on this the hdrol) can i expect the side effects to be similar? With your cycle that you previously ran what dosages did you run oxo and hdrol at?
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I ran hdrol @ 75mgs. I'm not sure what the 11-oxo dosage was but I'd say in the 300-400mgs range, so let's say about 350mgs.
 
210LBS said:
I ran hdrol @ 75mgs. I'm not sure what the 11-oxo dosage was but I'd say in the 300-400mgs range, so let's say about 350mgs.
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Do you think adding in hdrol for the first 4 weeks would be a waste? That’s how much I can’t get if I purchase a bottle.

25/50/50/75

Or

50/50/50/50

Edit - if this would be a waste I could purchase two bottles and make this one hell of a cycle lmao
 
rowz4broz said:
Do you think adding in hdrol for the first 4 weeks would be a waste? That’s how much I can’t get if I purchase a bottle.

25/50/50/75

Or

50/50/50/50

Edit - if this would be a waste I could purchase two bottles and make this one hell of a cycle lmao
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Honestly, for a first cycle, I think you probably would see some gains from 50mgs for 4 weeks. For 2 bottles I would run it 40 days @ 75mgs per day. That would give you really good gains.
 
210LBS said:
Honestly, for a first cycle, I think you probably would see some gains from 50mgs for 4 weeks. For 2 bottles I would run it 40 days @ 75mgs per day. That would give you really good gains.
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6 weeks minimum for hdrol. It takes a while to kick in. I also agree 75mgs is the minimum for dosage too. 100mg seems to be the sweet spot, no more side than 75 but more gains. Anything above 100mg doesnt seem to give more gains just more side effects.
 
rowz4broz said:
Do you think adding in hdrol for the first 4 weeks would be a waste? That’s how much I can’t get if I purchase a bottle.

25/50/50/75

Or

50/50/50/50

Edit - if this would be a waste I could purchase two bottles and make this one hell of a cycle lmao
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Now your talkin! You know it's going to happen eventually...so just get your first true cycle behind you. Just find a good source...do things correctly, and all will be good in the end. You have all the goods...may as well put them towards a more appropriate and rewarding experience!
 
rtmilburn said:
6 weeks minimum for hdrol. It takes a while to kick in. I also agree 75mgs is the minimum for dosage too. 100mg seems to be the sweet spot, no more side than 75 but more gains. Anything above 100mg doesnt seem to give more gains just more side effects.
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You can run 100mgs... some people even run upwards of 150mgs (which at that point, just move on to a stronger compound). But given it's his first cycle, he shouldn't have any issues getting gains from 75mgs. 6 weeks is good. Even 5 weeks gave me solid gains. By week 6 the progress actually started to slow down for me. I think 6 weeks is the perfect length for me though.
 
Gents. Sticking to my guns. Thank you All for your feedback. I’m gonna shoot yall some rep throughout the next couple days.

Sticking to 11 oxo solo
600/600/900/900/900/900

Have all my anchillaries and everything.

I’m on day two and am going to take a before and after :)
 
rowz4broz said:
Gents. Sticking to my guns. Thank you All for your feedback. I’m gonna shoot yall some rep throughout the next couple days.

Sticking to 11 oxo solo
600/600/900/900/900/900

Have all my anchillaries and everything.

I’m on day two and am going to take a before and after :)
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:shock:
 
A week in. Haven’t noticed much... just bought a bottle of hexadrone. Wondering if I should stack it for the last 4 weeks or hold onto it for next cycle. This next week will probably decide that
 
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