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AntM1564

AntM1564

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I'm trying to decide which of these to add to my next cycle.

I do not mind pinning EOD. I'm just conflicted because I have seen very different responses on the two compounds. I have seen people state that there is a lot of bloating with deca, that there isn't with NPP. Then, I see posts that contradict those and state the compound isn't the cause of the bloating, but rather diet, sodium, and estrogen levels.

If bloating is seen more in deca, would it be safe to say that the lean mass would be the same between the two?

My goal is to going on one last bulk before I cut. That does not mean I want to put on a bunch of weight, quality is more important. Would one be better than the other for that?

Also, one thing I have read about deca is that stays in one's system for about 18 months before it is completely out. I am on TRT, would that influence one's decision on which compound to use?
 
AntM1564 said:
I'm trying to decide which of these to add to my next cycle.

I do not mind pinning EOD. I'm just conflicted because I have seen very different responses on the two compounds. I have seen people state that there is a lot of bloating with deca, that there isn't with NPP. Then, I see posts that contradict those and state the compound isn't the cause of the bloating, but rather diet, sodium, and estrogen levels.

If bloating is seen more in deca, would it be safe to say that the lean mass would be the same between the two?

My goal is to going on one last bulk before I cut. That does not mean I want to put on a bunch of weight, quality is more important. Would one be better than the other for that?

Also, one thing I have read about deca is that stays in one's system for about 18 months before it is completely out. I am on TRT, would that influence one's decision on which compound to use?
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I think w deca a lot of times bloat is due to running test too high. If you run deca its a long slow builder. I would run lower test and let the deca do most of the work. Its going to be a longer cycle.

As opposed to npp which is better for short blast cycles of nandrolone. A lot of people prefer npp honestly but its about the only compound I don't have any actual experience with.

So longer cycle or shorter cycle? I think you had a similar thread w eq and npp and I would pose the same question to you here. It really is the same compound but does act differently due to the ester.
 
Godstrength said:
I think w deca a lot of times bloat is due to running test too high. If you run deca its a long slow builder. I would run lower test and let the deca do most of the work. Its going to be a longer cycle.

As opposed to npp which is better for short blast cycles of nandrolone. A lot of people prefer npp honestly but its about the only compound I don't have any actual experience with.

So longer cycle or shorter cycle? I think you had a similar thread w eq and npp and I would pose the same question to you here. It really is the same compound but does act differently due to the ester.
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Exactly.. people who run deca and for some reason think high test is in any way beneficial shouldn't do deca at all.

Almost every anabolic compound is a better anabolic than test and same goes with androgenics. Test will bloat you , deca, tren , eq, primo,anadrol,winstrol,var, mast etc etc will not. The only reason to run test high is when you run test solo and even then it shouldnt be too high..

A perfect beginner deca/npp dosage is 300/300 or 400/400

An even better is test at trt dosage and deca at 4-500. If you want to get more dry/lean add a dht not more test.
 
Im just saying cuz its easier to keep on the level with your test in and out of your system. Idk ive always used deca this is the first time on cypionate so im seeing how it goes.
 
NPP. In and out quicker, gains come on quicker, no real downfalls except price and frequent pinning.
 
Chados said:
Exactly.. people who run deca and for some reason think high test is in any way beneficial shouldn't do deca at all.

Almost every anabolic compound is a better anabolic than test and same goes with androgenics. Test will bloat you , deca, tren , eq, primo,anadrol,winstrol,var, mast etc etc will not. The only reason to run test high is when you run test solo and even then it shouldnt be too high..

A perfect beginner deca/npp dosage is 300/300 or 400/400

An even better is test at trt dosage and deca at 4-500. If you want to get more dry/lean add a dht not more test.
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I've have seen posts that go aganist your thought. I'm not arguing against you since I am learning and have not used deca. But I have seen suggestions of running test/deca 2/1. For example, test 600 and deca 300. The reasoning I have read is because of deca dik. Thoughts on that?

adammorrow36 said:
Not that this matters but it might. Have you considered nandrolone cypionate ? Im running that now only 3 weeks in.
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I have no idea what that is, but I will look into later today.

cody199477 said:
Well if your fine with waiting 8/9 weeks for the deca to kick in, I’d say go with deca.
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Yes, I know it takes deca a long time to kick in. Because of that, I have been thinking of running NPP as a kick starter, I have seen cycles like that.

RickyBlobby said:
NPP. In and out quicker, gains come on quicker, no real downfalls except price and frequent pinning.
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Price is the issue, kind of. If gains are going to be the same with deca, albeit a little slower, I am fine spending a little less money. Pinning does not bother me. Now if the results with NPP are greater, in theory they wouldn't be, then the extra price would be worth it.
 
AntM1564 said:
I've have seen posts that go aganist your thought. I'm not arguing against you since I am learning and have not used deca. But I have seen suggestions of running test/deca 2/1. For example, test 600 and deca 300. The reasoning I have read is because of deca dik. Thoughts on that?


If you don't run an ai and caber and you run deca at an absolutely crazy dosage you could end up with problems. I've read that too and that's a ridiculous statement from people not controlling their cycles or over sensitive people who shouldn't touch nandrolones. Deca is much better than test for gains alone and should be the main builder.

Now if you normally say a first cycle is test at 500.. does that mean you need to go 500 with deca? No it doesn't.. run test at 2-300 and deca 3-500 depending on how careful you wanna be. You gotta ease in to the compounds man, try it at 400 and if you feel good bump it up. Run npp if you want quicker results.


Might not be the best dosage for you but its the safest way of finding out
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Chados said:
AntM1564 said:
I've have seen posts that go aganist your thought. I'm not arguing against you since I am learning and have not used deca. But I have seen suggestions of running test/deca 2/1. For example, test 600 and deca 300. The reasoning I have read is because of deca dik. Thoughts on that?


If you don't run an ai and caber and you run deca at an absolutely crazy dosage you could end up with problems. I've read that too and that's a ridiculous statement from people not controlling their cycles or over sensitive people who shouldn't touch nandrolones. Deca is much better than test for gains alone and should be the main builder.

Now if you normally say a first cycle is test at 500.. does that mean you need to go 500 with deca? No it doesn't.. run test at 2-300 and deca 3-500 depending on how careful you wanna be. You gotta ease in to the compounds man, try it at 400 and if you feel good bump it up. Run npp if you want quicker results.


Might not be the best dosage for you but its the safest way of finding out
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I may use NPP as a kick start. But as long as I have my AI (which I would use regardless, and caber) deca is slightly higher than test? I am going to do some more research!
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AntM1564 said:
Chados said:
I may use NPP as a kick start. But as long as I have my AI (which I would use regardless, and caber) deca is slightly higher than test? I am going to do some more research!
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The amount of test and deca will decide how bad it hits you. I wouldn't go test above 400 (preferably 2-300) and deca 3-400 on a first run. This is to prevent sides. If you can handle it you can go up slightly with deca
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Chados said:
AntM1564 said:
The amount of test and deca will decide how bad it hits you. I wouldn't go test above 400 (preferably 2-300) and deca 3-400 on a first run. This is to prevent sides. If you can handle it you can go up slightly with deca
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I think I am going to go this route, deca>test.

After doing some more reading, it seems like some people do get DD with higher deca doses and some do not while some get DD from higher test than deca.
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AntM1564 said:
Chados said:
I think I am going to go this route, deca>test.

After doing some more reading, it seems like some people do get DD with higher deca doses and some do not while some get DD from higher test than deca.
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It's when people dose deca too high regardless of the amount of test.. it's individual always. Start low and not at 600 like some people do.
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Godstrength said:
I think w deca a lot of times bloat is due to running test too high. If you run deca its a long slow builder. I would run lower test and let the deca do most of the work. Its going to be a longer cycle.

As opposed to npp which is better for short blast cycles of nandrolone. A lot of people prefer npp honestly but its about the only compound I don't have any actual experience with.

So longer cycle or shorter cycle? I think you had a similar thread w eq and npp and I would pose the same question to you here. It really is the same compound but does act differently due to the ester.
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Yea bloat shouldn't be coming from the deca
 
Chados said:
Exactly.. people who run deca and for some reason think high test is in any way beneficial shouldn't do deca at all.

Almost every anabolic compound is a better anabolic than test and same goes with androgenics. Test will bloat you , deca, tren , eq, primo,anadrol,winstrol,var, mast etc etc will not. The only reason to run test high is when you run test solo and even then it shouldnt be too high..

A perfect beginner deca/npp dosage is 300/300 or 400/400

An even better is test at trt dosage and deca at 4-500. If you want to get more dry/lean add a dht not more test.
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Good advice man
 
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