First Cycle - Chaos & Pain Chemical One and Four - Please advise

BloodManor said:
pyrobatt

I think the bloating is mostly mental and from upping the calories. If you want try a gda and the bloat will be gone and you will feel even fuller with that stack. Estrogen should not be a problem with that stack but I will never tell anyone not to get bloods. If you do I would wait 2 weeks into the cycle. But like I stated I don’t think it is warranted.
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Totally agree with this.

Remember some estrogen isn’t a bad thing - it’s needed to build muscle. What you’ve described i think is water rentention which could be from the 4-andro but again isn’t a bad thing (helps your joints etc).

Unless your getting gyno signs around/behind the nipples (don’t go looking for it though) then I really wouldn’t worry. 1.5kg gain first week sounds about right.
 
BloodManor , Whisky

If required what blood work needs to be done?

Will it be enough just getting the estrogen levels checked or free testosterone and total testosterone need to be checked as well.

While on cycle and pct Is it advisable to take 6.25 mg Aromasin once every week anyway....just to keep those estrogen levels in check or will it be too much.

I wouldn't call my nipples sore or itchy however sometimes when I press them there is minor discomfort - very minor (could be that i am overly paranoid).

I an running Ar1macare Pro while on cycle and SERM pct after.
 
mohit said:
BloodManor , Whisky

If required what blood work needs to be done?

Will it be enough just getting the estrogen levels checked or free testosterone and total testosterone need to be checked as well.

While on cycle and pct Is it advisable to take 6.25 mg Aromasin once every week anyway....just to keep those estrogen levels in check or will it be too much.

I wouldn't call my nipples sore or itchy however sometimes when I press them there is minor discomfort - very minor (could be that i am overly paranoid).

I an running Ar1macare Pro while on cycle and SERM pct after.
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Usually with blood work you ask for a full female blood panel. The Aromasin is totally up to you and how your body feels and bloods if you have. I never needed a ai running any 1/4 ad products before and only use it when I’m running 500mg of test a week.
I think that’s all in your head, my mind messed with me for my first 3 cycles of andros lol. I was always feeling my nips and was like I feel some pain. Duh I’m pushing on my nips lol. If they get puffy then I worry - itchy may happy at times but that’s normal when you are not even on anything but you pay it no mind usually.
 
BloodManor said:
Usually with blood work you ask for a full female blood panel. The Aromasin is totally up to you and how your body feels and bloods if you have. I never needed a ai running any 1/4 ad products before and only use it when I’m running 500mg of test a week.
I think that’s all in your head, my mind messed with me for my first 3 cycles of andros lol. I was always feeling my nips and was like I feel some pain. Duh I’m pushing on my nips lol. If they get puffy then I worry - itchy may happy at times but that’s normal when you are not even on anything but you pay it no mind usually.
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Much like you I find my mind messing with me (this is my first cycle of Andros) thinking to myself. Your frying your liver, you're damaging your kidneys, your blood pressure is going to be out of control.
 
BloodManor said:
Usually with blood work you ask for a full female blood panel. The Aromasin is totally up to you and how your body feels and bloods if you have. I never needed a ai running any 1/4 ad products before and only use it when I’m running 500mg of test a week.
I think that’s all in your head, my mind messed with me for my first 3 cycles of andros lol. I was always feeling my nips and was like I feel some pain. Duh I’m pushing on my nips lol. If they get puffy then I worry - itchy may happy at times but that’s normal when you are not even on anything but you pay it no mind usually.
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BloodManor

Ok bro let's wait and watch....thanks for your inputs...
 
21marine said:
Much like you I find my mind messing with me (this is my first cycle of Andros) thinking to myself. Your frying your liver, you're damaging your kidneys, your blood pressure is going to be out of control.
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Haha I thought the same and did blood work thougout. But I think it’s much better to be over protective than under.
 
mohit said:
BloodManor

Ok bro let's wait and watch....thanks for your inputs...
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Anytime
I will always tell you the truth through science and experience. I want everyone to try out all types of gear and do it safely and effectively. Because it’s part of bodybuilding - and it will bring you to a place you never imagine of being. Just do it the right way
 
BloodManor said:
Haha I thought the same and did blood work thougout. But I think it’s much better to be over protective than under.
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I'm doing everything according to plan, have on cycle support, taking tudca, and monitoring BP at home. Still worry about what is going on inside the body though lol...need to just relax and enjoy the ride.
 
21marine said:
I'm doing everything according to plan, have on cycle support, taking tudca, and monitoring BP at home. Still worry about what is going on inside the body though lol...need to just relax and enjoy the ride.
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Just enjoy it and remember for 99.99% of the people the worst side is nothing detrimental to your health
 
21marine said:
Much like you I find my mind messing with me (this is my first cycle of Andros) thinking to myself. Your frying your liver, you're damaging your kidneys, your blood pressure is going to be out of control.
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I was so paranoid on my first cycle of andros I was worried about having a heart attack or stroke! Lol
 
Hey everybody,

My cycle is going well, however I will run out of my 1 and 4 Andro soon and I don't have enough time to order more as sometimes it takes as long as 3 weeks for it to reach.

However I can get my hands of Olympus Labs Sup3r 1 And Sup3r Epi easily as a friend of mine has some....So the question is -

Can I use 1 Andro from Olympus Labs in my second month after my Chaos and pain 1 andro is finished or is there a problem taking 2 different brands of 1 andro in the same cycle.

What about the 4 Andro as it is almost finished can I use OL Sup3r Epi in the second month.

Also I have been using Ar1macare pro as my cycle support for 1 and 4 Andro cycle do I still need it if I decide to run 1 and Epi in the second month.

Please suggest...
 
mohit said:
Hey everybody,

My cycle is going well, however I will run out of my 1 and 4 Andro soon and I don't have enough time to order more as sometimes it takes as long as 3 weeks for it to reach.

However I can get my hands of Olympus Labs Sup3r 1 And Sup3r Epi easily as a friend of mine has some....So the question is -

Can I use 1 Andro from Olympus Labs in my second month after my Chaos and pain 1 andro is finished or is there a problem taking 2 different brands of 1 andro in the same cycle.

What about the 4 Andro as it is almost finished can I use OL Sup3r Epi in the second month.

Also I have been using Ar1macare pro as my cycle support for 1 and 4 Andro cycle do I still need it if I decide to run 1 and Epi in the second month.

Please suggest...
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Changing 1-Andro brands won’t make a difference really (not a significant one).

Switching 4-andro to epiandro as a test base is harder as they are different compounds. In this stack you’d be using them to do the same thing (I.e offset the sides from 1-andro) but I’d guess you’ll feel the difference. I see no reason not to go that route personally.

And yes you need to keep dosing the supports.....
 
Whisky

Do I really need a cycle support like Ar1macare Pro as 1 Andro and Epi Andro do not aromatise and both are dry compounds so Arimistane will just make my joints very dry. Plus they are not methylated so liver toxicity should not be an issue.

Even if I don't run Ar1macare Pro I will still be running a multivitamin, fish oil and 500 mg of Vit C every day also I can throw in Liv 52 IN it if required. Will that be Ok?

I mean 1 month of taking cycle support with 1 and 4 Andro and then suddenly stopping it however continuing with the cycle of 1 and Epi Andro....

The only reason why I am asking again is because I need to order it from the US and depending on USPS sometimes it reaches in 8 days and sometimes it takes 3 weeks and in that case it's pretty useless to buy it....
 
mohit said:
Whisky

Do I really need a cycle support like Ar1macare Pro as 1 Andro and Epi Andro do not aromatise and both are dry compounds so Arimistane will just make my joints very dry. Plus they are not methylated so liver toxicity should not be an issue.

Even if I don't run Ar1macare Pro I will still be running a multivitamin, fish oil and 500 mg of Vit C every day also I can throw in Liv 52 IN it if required. Will that be Ok?

I mean 1 month of taking cycle support with 1 and 4 Andro and then suddenly stopping it however continuing with the cycle of 1 and Epi Andro....

The only reason why I am asking again is because I need to order it from the US and depending on USPS sometimes it reaches in 8 days and sometimes it takes 3 weeks and in that case it's pretty useless to buy it....
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You don’t need ar1mcare pro per se but it’s just smart to run supports when in cycle, you could take individual supps but remember it’s not just the liver that can take a beating (as you say these aren’t methyls anyway), running any cycle puts pressure on all all your organs, for example blood pressure can increase and ingredients in any decent cycle assist would help with that.

Cel cycle assist would also be a nice choice btw. Not saying it’s essential but just smart to protect yourself imo.
 
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