D-Bol and 4-Andro
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hairygrandpa
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TD Trest = best "test base" but harsh shutdown.
Whisky
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Sounds weak, very weak bro. 4-andro didn’t offset everything from 1-andro for me, wouldn’t dream of trying dbol without pinning to be honest.
As hairygrandpa points out TD Trest is a great but given how wet dbol is combined with the same from trest I just can’t imagine that working well together.....
Personally I’d switch the dbol or pin
hairygrandpa
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Yes, did not thought of it. Besides more bloat, it also could aggravate estro sides.
Also, 4-AD converts not only to test -but e2 too, as far as I know. If he is going without an AI, he may have a nice pair of titties in a few weeks. mittleman , are you taking a AI? What are the dosages for D-bol and 4-AD?
Whisky
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OP was suggesting 4-andro, not even 4-ad (which still wouldn’t be enough imo.....)
hairygrandpa
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It's late for me... 3.am, LOL. I'm not even sure one can use 4-andro as a base. Wasn't epiandro used for that (and 4-ad)?
Whisky
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4-andro is just a 2 step whilst 4-ad is the one step conversion......both can be used as a base but I’d suggest neither are close to being suitable for dbol.
The best non pinning option for that sort of stack would be tbol and td trest IMO.....
solidsnake
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I wouldn’t use 4 Andro with dbol. Way too wet. Nor trest, that’s even worse. Try and get some Td test.
RickyBlobby
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Personally I felt as though dbol was a good test base in its own right. If I'm not mistaken it aromatises and 5a reduces, so you generally get all your various hormones from it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I did 50mg dbol/ a day alongside 400mg primo depot, and 25mg clomid for 10-12 weeks and I felt great the whole time. I dunno.
Edit: I was taking clomid too during this cycle, and my baseline test level was still at 450. This may have had something to do with it. But if I'm not mistaken Arnold used to cruise on primo and Dbol (no test) pretty much all the time, adding in deca for blasts.
I did 50mg dbol/ a day alongside 400mg primo depot, and 25mg clomid for 10-12 weeks and I felt great the whole time. I dunno.
Edit: I was taking clomid too during this cycle, and my baseline test level was still at 450. This may have had something to do with it. But if I'm not mistaken Arnold used to cruise on primo and Dbol (no test) pretty much all the time, adding in deca for blasts.
solidsnake
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Well you could alway use the clomid on cycle protocol, it’s been getting a lot of propaganda round here lately... I’ll be doing it on my next cycle probably
A SERM is definitely an option. So many ways to approach.
solidsnake
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If you use clomid you won’t be getting suppressed like you would if you used test,4ad or trest. Up to you bro
RickyBlobby
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Nolva is not recommended. Spurfy made a pretty good argument why not.
torem>clomid>ralox>nolva
torem>clomid>ralox>nolva
solidsnake
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I’d do 25 clomid and take it from there bro
RickyBlobby
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This. 50mg a day max if your nuts are shrinking at a lower dose.
RickyBlobby
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Saves me time and $$$.
Saves your nads too, if you don't want a floppy sack n sh!t. lol
If you haven't bought your SERM yet I would get torem instead of clomid, if you trust your source. It helps fight gyno and if you go that route you may not even need an AI. Just make sure you have an AI handy just in case.
