Cycle Advice - Test P/ NPP/ Mast P

OMCB

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Planning my summer cycle -
Any advice is welcomed - scold me if I’m being an idiot, although I HAVE done my research.

Test Prop - 100mg ED (700mg/w) 10 weeks
NPP - 75mg ED (525/w) 8 weeks
Mast P - 75mg ED (525/w) 8 weeks
Var - 80mg ED last 6 Weeks of cycle

Aromasin - 12.5mg EOD
Caber - Need help here- I’ve ran deca at 400mg/w with aromasin and no Caber (no gyno but learned exactly what Deca Dick is so that’s why I want to run Caber with the NPP this time)

Also I got extreme moon face/bloat from the Deca which is why I want to use NPP. Many people claim to stay leaner from NPP over Deca and also I’m going to keep my sodium to a minimum and diet dialed in along with my ancillaries and the mast to try and prevent bloat/moon face.

I’m thinking .5mg twice a week for the Caber but not sure if that’s enough for 525mg of NPP/week.

1. How do my ratios/dosages look?
2. Will choosing NPP over Deca help negate bloat and will the Mast also help?
3. Thoughts on aromasin and Caber dosages?

Goal: gain 10-15 lbs of LEAN gains.

I have my stats and cycle history ready to copy and paste if requested.
 
Id be maybe tempted to drop the mast back a bit, esp considering var is in there. Id maybe also consider backing off on the test as well; IME that NPP will be plenty for strength and size, 700mg test is potentially not going to do a whole lot more useful than 500mg. Thats also alot of oil/pinning ED for 8+wks.

But, AAS amounts can be a personal thing. Im sure others will give it thumbs up.
 
Thanks for the reply
I was considering lowering the Mast a bit.
The reason I have the test that high is because I wanted to keep the test around 200mg higher than the NPP to keep libido up and not get Deca Dick. Thoughts?
 
Id hope the mast would be more than capable of helping with libido.

The risk with increasing quantities of test is that you quickly start trading off gainz/benefits for sides...esp when other compounds are involved too. My philosophy is to utilise test to compliment your other compounds, and not cause issues.
 
Thanks for the advice bro. You’re a real one. I took what you said into consideration. I also respond very well to a moderate dose of just about anything and realized I was aiming a little too high. Here, I’ve dialed it in.

Test P -90mg ED - 630mg/week
Mast P -60mg ED - 420mg/week
NPP-60mg ED - 420mg/week

The doses seem weird because I’m going to use slin pins which means I’ll be doing 2 small injecting each day. One consisting of .9cc Test P. The other will be .6cc Mast P and .4cc NPP.

Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Still unsure about using Caber. Definitely want it on hand but I am already prescribed adderal and Caber being a dopamine agonist, I feel the 2 would not be s healthy mix although I’ll be keeping my adderal use to a minimum since this will be a summer cycle and not studying every night.

May or may not use Tbol first 4 Weeks But definitely throwing in either 6 Weeks of 60mg Var ED or 4 Weeks at 80mg ED.

PCT - Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 50/50/50
How’s that all look?
 
I think you’re good with dosage with the updated. The more I run great combos of 19-nor’s + dht’s the lower I’ve been running test. 3-600 usually and it seems to aggravate sides less and still adds a good base. However, if it works and you’re comfortable, its just more androgens helping you with your goals. Just my .02
 
OMCB said:
Planning my summer cycle -
Any advice is welcomed - scold me if I’m being an idiot, although I HAVE done my research.

Test Prop - 100mg ED (700mg/w) 10 weeks
NPP - 75mg ED (525/w) 8 weeks
Mast P - 75mg ED (525/w) 8 weeks
Var - 80mg ED last 6 Weeks of cycle
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1. Test P as you indicated
2. Var 80 mg/day for entire cycle
3. Toremifene 60 mg/day
4. Creatine 30 grams/day dissolved in coffee taken at the same time as your Anavar dose

Assuming your Var is legit and not under-dosed, this will yield *much* better results than your proposed cycle, and you won't need an AI. Just continue to run torem for 6 weeks after your cycle ends. Your PCT will be a breeze.

19-nors cause *profound* HPG-axis shutdown and are directly toxic to the testicles -- you couldn't pay me a million dollars to touch one.

Done.
 
Spurfy said:
19-nors cause *profound* HPG-axis shutdown and are directly toxic to the testicles -- you couldn't pay me a million dollars to touch one.
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Do you think MENT may be an exception to this due to its seemingly opposite effects from other 19-nors?
 
Thanks for the advice! Might just drop the NPP in that case but I’m really trying to put on some size.. what could I replace it with? I want to try EQ but I’m using short esters and don’t want to run a minimum 16 week cycle just to use EQ.

Why the toremifene? Are you saying I should replace my AI with Torem so that I can combat gyno but embrace some of the water from the test? That’s seriously just a guess.

And no mast either?

Again thanks for the advice! Just trying to find out the reasoning behind your suggestions! Thanks bro



The var as far as I can tell is very legit, currently taking 80mg a day and it’s sculpting me and seems to be just making me more proportional and aesthetic and the strength and pumps are amazing.
 
I agree with nac about the test, in fact I say run it equal to deca or keep deca higher, 400 / 400 is plenty. I would not lower mast however, I think 4-600 is a great dosage. Remember that mast is quite fat% dependant and not worth using considering the price if you can't see abs. It's just an aestetic, anavar can probably add more mass and winstrol will definitely.
 
OMCB said:
Thanks for the advice bro. You’re a real one. I took what you said into consideration. I also respond very well to a moderate dose of just about anything and realized I was aiming a little too high. Here, I’ve dialed it in.

Test P -90mg ED - 630mg/week
Mast P -60mg ED - 420mg/week
NPP-60mg ED - 420mg/week

The doses seem weird because I’m going to use slin pins which means I’ll be doing 2 small injecting each day. One consisting of .9cc Test P. The other will be .6cc Mast P and .4cc NPP.

Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Still unsure about using Caber. Definitely want it on hand but I am already prescribed adderal and Caber being a dopamine agonist, I feel the 2 would not be s healthy mix although I’ll be keeping my adderal use to a minimum since this will be a summer cycle and not studying every night.

May or may not use Tbol first 4 Weeks But definitely throwing in either 6 Weeks of 60mg Var ED or 4 Weeks at 80mg ED.

PCT - Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 50/50/50
How’s that all look?
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Clomid 50/50/25/25 nolva 40/40/20/20 at least.. might extend it to 6 weeks even. I think it's quite smart to use caber with 19 noir and if adderal will mess things up dont run deca at all.
 
Spurfy said:
1. Test P as you indicated
2. Var 80 mg/day for entire cycle
3. Toremifene 60 mg/day
4. Creatine 30 grams/day dissolved in coffee taken at the same time as your Anavar dose

Assuming your Var is legit and not under-dosed, this will yield *much* better results than your proposed cycle, and you won't need an AI. Just continue to run torem for 6 weeks after your cycle ends. Your PCT will be a breeze.

19-nors cause *profound* HPG-axis shutdown and are directly toxic to the testicles -- you couldn't pay me a million dollars to touch one.

Done.
Click to expand...

Thanks for the advice! Might just drop the NPP in that case but I’m really trying to put on some size.. what could I replace it with? I want to try EQ but I’m using short esters and don’t want to run a minimum 16 week cycle just to use EQ.

Why the toremifene? Are you saying I should replace my AI with Torem so that I can combat gyno but embrace some of the water from the test? That’s seriously just a guess.

And no mast either?

Again thanks for the advice! Just trying to find out the reasoning behind your suggestions! Thanks bro



The var as far as I can tell is very legit, currently taking 80mg a day and it’s sculpting me and seems to be just making me more proportional and aesthetic and the strength and pumps are amazing.
 
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