Long lasting Stim (non-Dmaa)

swole210 said:
Second (or 3rd or 4th...or what ever) this! I like 1/3 - 1/2 cap the most at one time and gives plenty of long lasting energy. Dexaprine...bought two bottles once, tried it, and it was too much for me. Was a very dirty feeling stim "for me" and I ended up chucking both bottles. Also like Lipodrine Elite.
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Haha There's something about that schizo psycho that is strong and kind of dirty but everyone loves the feel good that comes alongside of it. I ran it regularly at 1 cap for a good 9 months or so. It seems to be one of those products over time that I just experimented with, had some great times and then moved on as it just seems too much to be used on the reg. I have been using chaos and pain Aggro recently which is kind of the mild mild version of schizo psycho as it also contains the nmethyl pentyl imminoglutaric acid (panthergy) which is responsible for that "kush" feel good.
 
I just received 2 bottles of Hydrapharm Hydrazine. Anyone that knows me is well aware of the fact that I love these more “exotic” types of stims. I will probably be popping one while getting ready for work, which will be in about 4 hrs.

Kind of baffled as to why this is marketed as a pre-workout though? To me it just looks like a stim with some possible fat burning benefits. Must be a European thing..:)

I also have 2 bottles of DS SuperStim that should arrive by tomorrow as there were some nice reviews on that as well.
 
So I was not all that thrilled with the Hydrazine. I took one before work with a Bronkaid and it felt OK. Very similar to Excelsior which I also find to be average at best. Once I realized it wasn't all that, I popped a Vicaine and things were much better.:) I took another dose of Hydrazine at work and the effects were VERY minimal.

It is definitely not worth the price IMO. Oxymax XT for example runs circles around Hydrazine. It is definitely something I will be combining with other supps for optimal effect. I hope to be more impressed by SuperStim which did not cost me a small fortune..
 
Ricky10 said:
So I was not all that thrilled with the Hydrazine. I took one before work with a Bronkaid and it felt OK. Very similar to Excelsior which I also find to be average at best. Once I realized it wasn't all that, I popped a Vicaine and things were much better.:) I took another dose of Hydrazine at work and the effects were VERY minimal.

It is definitely not worth the price IMO. Oxymax XT for example runs circles around Hydrazine. It is definitely something I will be combining with other supps for optimal effect. I hope to be more impressed by SuperStim which did not cost me a small fortune..
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What is your favorite stim product?
 
ELROCK said:
What is your favorite stim product?
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Well, for currently available products, I am actually quite fond of IGN1T3. Problem is, I always worry about how the St John’s Wort is affecting the absorption of my other supplements. It does give me a real nice feel good energy (probably partly due to the SJW) but it also makes me sweat like no other....it’s a true thermogenic. Aside from that, Oxymax XT is still right up there....even though I preferred the former version. Myokem Pyroxamine packs some nice punch and feel good energy for only having 100mg of caffeine.

1 capsule of Vicaine on top of any of these is never something I regret either :)
 
Ricky10 said:
Well, for currently available products, I am actually quite fond of IGN1T3. Problem is, I always worry about how the St John’s Wort is affecting the absorption of my other supplements. It does give me a real nice feel good energy (probably partly due to the SJW) but it also makes me sweat like no other....it’s a true thermogenic. Aside from that, Oxymax XT is still right up there....even though I preferred the former version. Myokem Pyroxamine packs some nice punch and feel good energy for only having 100mg of caffeine.

1 capsule of Vicaine on top of any of these is never something I regret either :)
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Thanks for the info. Mine is Vicaine without a doubt. I will have to give Ign1t3 a try. Does it kill hunger?
 
ELROCK said:
Thanks for the info. Mine is Vicaine without a doubt. I will have to give Ign1t3 a try. Does it kill hunger?
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Yeah, Vicaine gives me the best feel good/euphoric energy of anything currently available. With the right stim/fat burner, they can really feed off each other and make me feel pretty darn good! If anyone is looking for a euphoric preworkout combo, Vicaine and RE1GN is right there...love it!

Surprised you have not tried IGNIT3 yet. It seems that I get free samples of it quite often. As far as the appetite suppression, I would say it’s kind of a wash. There are some ingredients in it that regulate blood sugar...so at times, it can seem to make me crave food. It’s never overwhelming in that regard though. The thermo qualities are quite intense at first, I usually have to start with 1 pill at a time as the AY effects are quite strong. Within a week or so, it is not so much of an issue, and I can fully dose it. Guaranteed to make you sweat your ass off during cardio for sure!

I just picked this up today too which I will try out tomorrow morning.
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I am also interested in taking Alpha Lean-7 for a ride...love my stims!
 
Ricky10 said:
Yeah, Vicaine gives me the best feel good/euphoric energy of anything currently available. With the right stim/fat burner, they can really feed off each other and make me feel pretty darn good! If anyone is looking for a euphoric preworkout combo, Vicaine and RE1GN is right there...love it!

Surprised you have not tried IGNIT3 yet. It seems that I get free samples of it quite often. As far as the appetite suppression, I would say it’s kind of a wash. There are some ingredients in it that regulate blood sugar...so at times, it can seem to make me crave food. It’s never overwhelming in that regard though. The thermo qualities are quite intense at first, I usually have to start with 1 pill at a time as the AY effects are quite strong. Within a week or so, it is not so much of an issue, and I can fully dose it. Guaranteed to make you sweat your ass off during cardio for sure!

I just picked this up today too which I will try out tomorrow morning.
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I am also interested in taking Alpha Lean-7 for a ride...love my stims!
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I am not really a fan of Y or AY but if the dose is low enough I can tolerate it. I do have a couple samples of IGN1T3 I will try before I purchase a bottle of it.
 
ELROCK said:
I am not really a fan of Y or AY but if the dose is low enough I can tolerate it. I do have a couple samples of IGN1T3 I will try before I purchase a bottle of it.
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Well there is nothing subtle about the AY content in IGN1T3, so be prepared for that. I really can’t even feel it in other products. That Finaflex product is actually pretty cool! I can definitely feel the l-theanine...it was very smooth and nootropic like and it has some original ingredients as well. I am still waiting on my SuperStim which I got a shipping confirmation for (no tracking) 1 week ago!

Bottom line though, I need to just stick with IGN1T3 if I actually want to burn some fat....in fact, I just ordered more. I just felt like playing around a bit here and there. Maybe I will take my Schizo Psycho tonight! I think it may be necessary because I am not getting any sleep today..
 
Ricky10 said:
Well, for currently available products, I am actually quite fond of IGN1T3. Problem is, I always worry about how the St John’s Wort is affecting the absorption of my other supplements. It does give me a real nice feel good energy (probably partly due to the SJW) but it also makes me sweat like no other....it’s a true thermogenic. Aside from that, Oxymax XT is still right up there....even though I preferred the former version. Myokem Pyroxamine packs some nice punch and feel good energy for only having 100mg of caffeine.

1 capsule of Vicaine on top of any of these is never something I regret either :)
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What all other stims have you tried Vicaine with? I love this when it kicks in but after 3-4 hours if I set down for a min, I’m going to fall asleep. I actually take one sometimes late in the afternoon/start of night and time it so I’ll get a good nights sleep. Love Vicaine but wished the stim effect lasted longer.
 
DWeaver said:
What all other stims have you tried Vicaine with? I love this when it kicks in but after 3-4 hours if I set down for a min, I’m going to fall asleep. I actually take one sometimes late in the afternoon/start of night and time it so I’ll get a good nights sleep. Love Vicaine but wished the stim effect lasted longer.
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Vicaine only lasts 4 hours for me. I usually get a bit tired after that.
 
Modafinil 100 mg + Tianeptine Sulfate + NA-Semax is good combo for long lasting feel good energy. Not really a long lasting stim but perfect for long lasting mental stamina at work.
 
I know this has probably been covered but HyperMax isn’t like other strong stims. At least for me and others I’ve seen use it. It does hit hard but it tends to have a slow onset and lasts while slowly fading away. This reason alone is why I use intramax + VasoMax on days I wake up early (I train at night) and HyperMax on days I can sleep in.
 
DWeaver said:
What all other stims have you tried Vicaine with? I love this when it kicks in but after 3-4 hours if I set down for a min, I’m going to fall asleep. I actually take one sometimes late in the afternoon/start of night and time it so I’ll get a good nights sleep. Love Vicaine but wished the stim effect lasted longer.
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I would say 4 hrs is about how long it lasts for me too, but I never notice getting tired after. I only dose 1 pill at a time with stimulant/fat burner at work, or alongside my PWO as a "feel good" booster. I would probably take more, or a higher dose of Vicaine, but I like to have the bottle last a while.

I have taken it with IGNIT3, OxyMax XT, Pyroxamine, Cannibal Inferno, BloodShred WAR, Alphamine, Enduralean, OG Detonate, OG Norcodrene, Lipodrene Elite, Hydrazine, Finaflex PX Ultra, and now DS SuperStim (finally receive it-not bad!). All of the above, with or without a Bronkaid...

I think a lot of people would appreciate the synergistic affects obtained from combining it with Pyroxamine or Finaflex PX Ultra as they share a few of the same ingredients and could very well increase your mileage from Vicaine.
 
This morning I did 20 mg of Vyvanse. This stuff is nice! It’s much smoother then adderall and less sides. I won’t be using this often though (maybe once every other month).
 
ELROCK said:
This morning I did 20 mg of Vyvanse. This stuff is nice! It’s much smoother then adderall and less sides. I won’t be using this often though (maybe once every other month).
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I thought Vyvanse had a great feel to it as well. I took it for a one month trial like eight years ago. As I recall it is supposed to last all day...I only got about 7 hrs out of it. My PCP gave me some adderall to experiment with to but I was never really a huge fan of that. We finally settled on Dexedrine spansules twice a day as that worked best for me. Sadly, this generous man has since retired, but I do still get my Dexedrine :)
 
Ricky10 said:
I would say 4 hrs is about how long it lasts for me too, but I never notice getting tired after. I only dose 1 pill at a time with stimulant/fat burner at work, or alongside my PWO as a "feel good" booster. I would probably take more, or a higher dose of Vicaine, but I like to have the bottle last a while.

I have taken it with IGNIT3, OxyMax XT, Pyroxamine, Cannibal Inferno, BloodShred WAR, Alphamine, Enduralean, OG Detonate, OG Norcodrene, Lipodrene Elite, Hydrazine, Finaflex PX Ultra, and now DS SuperStim (finally receive it-not bad!). All of the above, with or without a Bronkaid...

I think a lot of people would appreciate the synergistic affects obtained from combining it with Pyroxamine or Finaflex PX Ultra as they share a few of the same ingredients and could very well increase your mileage from Vicaine.
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What’s typically the standard dose for flmodafinil? I was thinking about ordering some in bulk and adding a little to Vicaine or with other stims. I really like armodafinil and the motivation it give me without my hair standing up. I just tried 1 Vicaine with bronkaid and caffeine. Will see how this does. What I’m looking for as much as anything is some appetite suppression with some energy and mental focus
 
DWeaver said:
What’s typically the standard dose for flmodafinil? I was thinking about ordering some in bulk and adding a little to Vicaine or with other stims. I really like armodafinil and the motivation it give me without my hair standing up. I just tried 1 Vicaine with bronkaid and caffeine. Will see how this does. What I’m looking for as much as anything is some appetite suppression with some energy and mental focus
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Not really sure about standard doses when buying those compounds in bulk. I have only used Vicaine...I have never used finils as solo ingredients. I like the thought though!
 
Ricky10 said:
I thought Vyvanse had a great feel to it as well. I took it for a one month trial like eight years ago. As I recall it is supposed to last all day...I only got about 7 hrs out of it. My PCP gave me some adderall to experiment with to but I was never really a huge fan of that. We finally settled on Dexedrine spansules twice a day as that worked best for me. Sadly, this generous man has since retired, but I do still get my Dexedrine :)
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It lasted 8 hours for me today. But damn I was on point today! I like how smooth it is. I couldn’t really tell when it stopped working it just kinda fades away. If I had to pin point it though I would say the 8 hour mark. Focus was incredible but not the tunnel vision kind.
 
You fellas have me sold on the Vicaine. Who has it the cheapest? Feel free to PM. Thanks
 
Whacked said:
You fellas have me sold on the Vicaine. Who has it the cheapest? Feel free to PM. Thanks
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Haha...you won’t be disappointed!

No need to PM...it is only available at one place, and they are an AM sponsor..

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Use code arnold20 for 20% off...
 
I ordered 2g of flmodafinil and was surprised it’s not all that expensive. What are the other stims in Vicaine?
 
DWeaver said:
I ordered 2g of flmodafinil and was surprised it’s not all that expensive. What are the other stims in Vicaine?
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Well there's sunifram and some caffeine... But it also has tianeptine sodium. There's about 30$ worth of that alone and that's at 10$/gram which is a decent/standard price for the raws. The total bottle has 3 grams and the pm version has 4.2 grams. Its what gives the initial feel good feeling.
 
Godstrength said:
Well there's sunifram and some caffeine... But it also has tianeptine sodium. There's about 30$ worth of that alone and that's at 10$/gram which is a decent/standard price for the raws. The total bottle has 3 grams and the pm version has 4.2 grams. Its what gives the initial feel good feeling.
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Thanks. I wasn’t sure if sunifram was a stim or not. Are you saying TS is what gives the good feeling initially? Or all of that together?
 
DWeaver said:
Thanks. I wasn’t sure if sunifram was a stim or not. Are you saying TS is what gives the good feeling initially? Or all of that together?
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The ts gives the initial good feeling... Its not a stim. The stims kick in afterwards.

The pm version doesn't have stims... Just a little more ts than regular vicaine and some potentiators.
 
DWeaver said:
Thanks. I wasn’t sure if sunifram was a stim or not. Are you saying TS is what gives the good feeling initially? Or all of that together?
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I would suggest trying Vicaine and all of its glory as a whole product to start with. Tianeptine alone is quite pricey. All things considered, Vicaine turns out to be quite a good value for what you receive..
 
Ricky10 said:
I would suggest trying Vicaine and all of its glory as a whole product to start with. Tianeptine alone is quite pricey. All things considered, Vicaine turns out to be quite a good value for what you receive..
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I’ve been using Vicaine from time to time for 6 months now. I was just looking for a little more stim out of it.
 
Godstrength said:
The ts gives the initial good feeling... Its not a stim. The stims kick in afterwards.

The pm version doesn't have stims... Just a little more ts than regular vicaine and some potentiators.
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Ok.... so when I start to feel motivated or just in a really good mood, that’s actually ts?
 
DWeaver said:
Ok.... so when I start to feel motivated or just in a really good mood, that’s actually ts?
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Well probably mostly responsible for that... TS kicks in about 15 minutes and has a short life w effects lasting about 1-1.5 hrs. As it winds down the stims are going. But yes it makes you feel pretty good lol
 
Godstrength said:
Well probably mostly responsible for that... TS kicks in about 15 minutes and has a short life w effects lasting about 1-1.5 hrs. As it winds down the stims are going. But yes it makes you feel pretty good lol
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It takes about 30-45 min for me but I haven’t taken it on a empty stomach.
 
DWeaver said:
No the most I have done is 2. Today I did 1 cap plus bronkaid and caffeine. I really, really liked that mix.
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Well you can safely up the dose to 3 caps. That would give you a little more on the stim end.

You could also try the vicaine pm version which will give you a better idea of how the tianeptine works without the stims.

As Ricky10 stated all things considered your actually getting what you pay for in these products. There isn't a huge markup because the raws are pricey. Thats why you don't see anything else like it. Mike Arnold is an innovator.
 
Godstrength said:
Well you can safely up the dose to 3 caps. That would give you a little more on the stim end.

You could also try the vicaine pm version which will give you a better idea of how the tianeptine works without the stims.

As Ricky10 stated all things considered your actually getting what you pay for in these products. There isn't a huge markup because the raws are pricey. Thats why you don't see anything else like it. Mike Arnold is an innovator.
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Yes I absolutely love the product. Would like to take it more often.
 
I get the raws are pricey, but I really like dosing these separately. Tianeptine added into a standard pre-workout (especially a yohimbine one, never tried with DMAA) is great. Next level. Adds a good mood and takes away some of the anxiety.

Sunifiram is more racetam like, I don’t value it.

Fl-modifinil lasts forever. I only dose that occasionally
 
N2ofusion said:
I get the raws are pricey, but I really like dosing these separately. Tianeptine added into a standard pre-workout (especially a yohimbine one, never tried with DMAA) is great. Next level. Adds a good mood and takes away some of the anxiety.

Sunifiram is more racetam like, I don’t value it.

Fl-modifinil lasts forever. I only dose that occasionally
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It’s worth saying again that OL RE1GN and Vicaine combined is like buttah!

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Anyone here tried out the PS HYDE Power Portion energy drinks yet?

I bought a case of them when they came out and they are definitely worth mentioning here. It provides nice long lasting smooth energy that none of the other energy drinks have done for me (Bang, Monster, RedBull). They are easy on the stomach too.
 
Godstrength said:
Well you can safely up the dose to 3 caps. That would give you a little more on the stim end.

You could also try the vicaine pm version which will give you a better idea of how the tianeptine works without the stims.

As Ricky10 stated all things considered your actually getting what you pay for in these products. There isn't a huge markup because the raws are pricey. Thats why you don't see anything else like it. Mike Arnold is an innovator.
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Which Supp in Vicaine is the one that just makes you feel like a million bucks? Is it the tianeptine? I love this stuff, only real complaint is I wish it had a longer half life.
 
DWeaver said:
Which Supp in Vicaine is the one that just makes you feel like a million bucks? Is it the tianeptine? I love this stuff, only real complaint is I wish it had a longer half life.
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Tianeptine sodium... Yeah it feels great but is short acting haha
 
I was actually searching around for solo stim products and found this company called Swft Stims. They have a few single ingredient stim products like halostachine, higenamine etc. Its kinda pricey but theyre buy one get 2 free. No Dynamine or Eris but I just ordered one of each (Hordenine, Halo, Higenamine, TeaCrine) well more like 3 of each. I'll let you know if any of them are good. I've been looking for a decent product similar to DMAA/DMHA. Also, I think I saw it on Amazon, they have bags of Eris which is a pretty good feel.
 
DWeaver said:
Which Supp in Vicaine is the one that just makes you feel like a million bucks? Is it the tianeptine? I love this stuff, only real complaint is I wish it had a longer half life.
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Check out our website if you like tianeptine sodium.

Getting ready to release a liquid version for research purposes only.

We also added s23.

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Not sure if anybody already mentioned this but DMAA on its own doesnt really do ****.

It has to be combined with other stimulants. I've had friends that have taken DMAA on its own and fallen sound asleep.

It is not as effective when it doesnt have any stims paired with it.
 
I don’t know man. I’ve used HydroxyElite (25mg straight DMAA) for years and it’s still my favorite stim.
 
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