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12g00bk

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1st off I cannot take any injections for personal reasons. With that being said I have Dbol and oral tren, I would like to run them together But I am worried about the hepatotoxicity. Can this be done safely with the proper cycle support, and pct?

30yo
185lb
15%bf
 
12g00bk said:
1st off I cannot take any injections for personal reasons. With that being said I have Dbol and oral tren, I would like to run them together But I am worried about the hepatotoxicity. Can this be done safely with the proper cycle support, and pct?

30yo
185lb
15%bf
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Dbol 50 mg ad 4weeks

Tren 250 mg ad split dose 4weeks

Nolva 40/40/20/20.... AI on standby

Milk Thistle 500mg and pure labs Oregon shild
 
If you really can't pin, and you really want to run the dbol, I guess you could use 4ad as a test base for it but still it does not sound like a good cycle to me. Sounds like you'd blow up with a ton of water weight and then lose it all shortly afterwards
 
If you are taking 2 orals you need to cut the normal dosage of each in half. If not you may not like the side effects.

The good thing about doing this is you get a high anabolic effect with half the sides. Unless they generally have the same sides, which these do not.

The DBOL should be enough of a "test base". Arnold ran dbol/ primo cycles for years and years (straight I think). I doubt he would have if he felt any low hormone side effects. I did the exact same cycle actually and my libido was super high.

Edit; may want some pramiprexole if oral tren is like IM tren. Not sure if it is. And might wanna take a look at my thread on clomid on cycle.
 
DennisC1986 said:
If you really can't pin, and you really want to run the dbol, I guess you could use 4ad as a test base for it but still it does not sound like a good cycle to me. Sounds like you'd blow up with a ton of water weight and then lose it all shortly afterwards
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Well I was thinking that the train would help reduce the loss of dbol gains. With dbol you get tones of water retention, but tren has lean muscle gains with little to no water retention. Would one not balance out the other?
 
12g00bk said:
Well I was thinking that the train would help reduce the loss of dbol gains. With dbol you get tones of water retention, but tren has lean muscle gains with little to no water retention. Would one not balance out the other?
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I think you would end up with a lot of sides and do a lot of damage to your system by running high dosages of each. How long do you plan on running it? And what goal are you trying to accomplish?
 
12g00bk said:
4 weeks
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4 weeks isn't long enough to put on mass. A 4 week cut, yes if you do it right. I'd recommend running half the dosages you recommended for twice as long. Same amount of damage to your system roughly and probably 75% more gains.

Even I you ran 500mg of DBOL and tren your body can only synthesize so much protein. It takes time to put on mass, plain and simple.
 
And yes an 8 week cycle would shut you down more so theoretically you would lose more in PCT. But I've ran clomid through my entire cycle and experienced very little shutdown. (10-12 week cycle)
 
RickyBlobby said:
And yes an 8 week cycle would shut you down more so theoretically you would lose more in PCT. But I've ran clomid through my entire cycle and experienced very little shutdown. (10-12 week cycle)
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8 weeks seems a bit long. All the research that I have read says that 6 weeks is about as long as you wanna go. This will be my 1st cycle of legit steroids but I have done 3 cycles of pro hormones, Always ran 4 week cycles and saw pretty good gains.
 
12g00bk said:
8 weeks seems a bit long. All the research that I have read says that 6 weeks is about as long as you wanna go. This will be my 1st cycle of legit steroids but I have done 3 cycles of pro hormones, Always ran 4 week cycles and saw pretty good gains.
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Well then if that works for you , awesome :)
 
Honestly I don't know enough about oral tren to give you much of an answer. I'm hoping someone else with more knowledge will come on here. In the meantime, I would go back to the drawing board for this cycle. I think most guys on here would tell you what basically amounts to a 4 week dbol cycle with oral tren is not a great idea for either gains or for your health
 
DennisC1986 said:
Honestly I don't know enough about oral tren to give you much of an answer. I'm hoping someone else with more knowledge will come on here. In the meantime, I would go back to the drawing board for this cycle. I think most guys on here would tell you what basically amounts to a 4 week dbol cycle with oral tren is not a great idea for either gains or for your health
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Haha, ya it is a lot of strain on the liver.
 
You definitely need a test base. Whether it's from injectable test or 4ad or something else. And you really shouldn't run two orals together as others have stated. You're not going to prevent the hepatoxicity, but you can try to limit how hard your liver gets hit with liver supplements. Tudca, milk thistle, no2 guard etc
 
It's not really about how many compounds as much as how much do you run it at. If you go 10 mg dbol and 10 mg tren or 100/100..
 
Yeah, I would personally rethink it.

And I'm trying to remember who said a couple of days ago that the ONLY compound he has ever gotten serious estro/Prolactin sides from was oral Tren. And it sounds like he's done a LOT of cycles........
 
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