FERRITIN HEMATOCRIT

Punkrocker

Punkrocker

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welp! I dun goofed. My ferretin is 33. Range is 22-274. My hematocrit is 48 which ain't too bad but I wanna donate sometime soon so I can do a cycle. I'm scared to kill what's left of my ferretin. How do I raise my ferretin levels fast without raising hematocrit as well? kenpoengineer help!!
 
Punkrocker said:
welp! I dun goofed. My ferretin is 33. Range is 22-274. My hematocrit is 48 which ain't too bad but I wanna donate sometime soon so I can do a cycle. I'm scared to kill what's left of my ferretin. How do I raise my ferretin levels fast without raising hematocrit as well? kenpoengineer help!!
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This happened by over donating blood?
 
Punkrocker said:
welp! I dun goofed. My ferretin is 33. Range is 22-274. My hematocrit is 48 which ain't too bad but I wanna donate sometime soon so I can do a cycle. I'm scared to kill what's left of my ferretin. How do I raise my ferretin levels fast without raising hematocrit as well? kenpoengineer help!!
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How or has it affected the way u feel ?? Mine was around that until I stopped giving blood every 8 weeks, Its coming up slowly.
 
RipdnTxs said:
How or has it affected the way u feel ?? Mine was around that until I stopped giving blood every 8 weeks, Its coming up slowly.
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I feel like crap, but I get up at 4am every day and chase a garbage truck and fling heavy ass barrels until anywhere from2pm to 4pm. Non stop, no breaks because we get paid salary and I literally run my ass off. Then I get home and force myself to go to the gym. I feel like crap but no more crap then I have felt in the past 4 years lol
 
Punkrocker said:
I feel like crap, but I get up at 4am every day and chase a garbage truck and fling heavy ass barrels until anywhere from2pm to 4pm. Non stop, no breaks because we get paid salary and I literally run my ass off. Then I get home and force myself to go to the gym. I feel like crap but no more crap then I have felt in the past 4 years lol
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Im sure it affected me as well, like you I felt as tired as always. Unless I just got used to feeling like ass. Hoping with time the energy will come back...
 
Punkrocker said:
I been eating red meat and giant bags of spinach almost every day now. Hope that helps
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Same. Been on 30 mg iron chelate supplement for almost 2 years and it’s still crashed:

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Oh what the ****! So then do people who donate often to the red Cross just have no ferretin? Because there are plenty of self rightoues virtue signaling ******* hippie liberal types who donate blood every couple months and boast about how "caring" they are on social media and what not. Phags. So like, they got no ferretin I would assume right?
 
I think everyone is different but I assume they are in a low iron state. Try supplementing with vitamin C and this:
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Punkrocker said:
Oh what the ****! So then do people who donate often to the red Cross just have no ferretin? Because there are plenty of self rightoues virtue signaling ******* hippie liberal types who donate blood every couple months and boast about how "caring" they are on social media and what not. Phags. So like, they got no ferretin I would assume right?
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I was a sought after donor due to being CMV free. I tested low ferritin a few years ago. Anemia level. Never felt weak though. Dr. advised to discontinue donating blood and so I have and Ferritin levels always well within good range nos. Supplemented with iron for a few months and when retested all good.

Bottom Line: Maybe just pass on donating unless you have a rare blood type that is in great need.
 
Punkrocker said:
You can have high hemoglobin but low ferretin. They are not the same.
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I have my test somewhere here in another thread. I recall my iron was withing range and other values too only ferritin was low. I archive all of my bloodwork so could access that test for the nos.

I recall now. Heavy training depletes levels and extensive running as well. Then add in the regular donation and there it is.
 
UCSMiami said:
I have my test somewhere here in another thread. I recall my iron was withing range and other values too only ferritin was low. I archive all of my bloodwork so could access that test for the nos.

I recall now. Heavy training depletes levels and extensive running as well. Then add in the regular donation and there it is.
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Omg I didn't even think about weight training. Damn
 
So when your ferritin was crashed you felt okay? And why did the doctor tell you to stop donating? How bad is crashed ferritin?
 
Punkrocker said:
Omg I didn't even think about weight training. Damn
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This happened to me in Jan 2015. and these are the research links found at that time. Have not done any further research as I gave up donating because I still train hard.

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Punkrocker said:
So when your ferritin was crashed you felt okay? And why did the doctor tell you to stop donating? How bad is crashed ferritin?
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This is the thread where I recorded the incident. post #30-31.

I recall D. Dunn had a thread here about low ferritin and I posted info in that.

I felt wonderful at that time and had none of the symptoms. Dr. had me do a stool test to ensure I was not bleeding inside as in a hemorrhoid. Results negative.


I admit I donated for the freebies- beach towel, movie tickets, gift card,etc. Once I found out about the pedi-donor stuff it became important especially after meeting a mom whose infant needed a transfusion. I doubt I am CMV free now in any case as I had chicken pox two years ago.
 
UCSMiami said:
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This is the thread where I recorded the incident. post #30-31.

I recall D. Dunn had a thread here about low ferritin and I posted info in that.

I felt wonderful at that time and had none of the symptoms. Dr. had me do a stool test to ensure I was not bleeding inside as in a hemorrhoid. Results negative.


I admit I donated for the freebies- beach towel, movie tickets, gift card,etc. Once I found out about the pedi-donor stuff it became important especially after meeting a mom whose infant needed a transfusion. I doubt I am CMV free now in any case as I had chicken pox two years ago.
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But what's the big deal? What happens when Ur ferritin is low? You just feel tired all the time?
 
Punkrocker said:
But what's the big deal? What happens when Ur ferritin is low? You just feel tired all the time?
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Yes fatigue is a symptom. I had none of that.

Leads to anemia. Iron critical for red blood cell development which means energy and muscle growth are affected.
 
UCSMiami said:
Yes fatigue is a symptom. I had none of that.

Leads to anemia. Iron critical for red blood cell development which means energy and muscle growth are affected.
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Muscle growth!? Say no more my friend. From now on, no more water. Only liquefied steaks
 
I took Naringin and Nattokinase while on a NPP cycle, at a fairly high dosage, had to give blood anyway after a few weeks, as RBC were too high.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I took Naringin and Nattokinase while on a NPP cycle, at a fairly high dosage, had to give blood anyway after a few weeks, as RBC were too high.
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Yeah not only that but apparently nattokinase does such a good job at thinning the blood that it can actually cause micro brain bleeds and many other unknown side effects due to the lack of research on the enzyme. Damnit. Whatever in just gonna donate again probably in April. Who needs ferretin anyways?
 
Some bodybuilder that was competing for the Arnold classic had some crazy ulcer and was bleeding for months. When he got to the hospital his hemoglobin was 4!!! I'm sure he didn't have any ferretin! That dude was still training his ass off
 
Punkrocker said:
Yeah not only that but apparently nattokinase does such a good job at thinning the blood that it can actually cause micro brain bleeds and many other unknown side effects due to the lack of research on the enzyme. Damnit. Whatever in just gonna donate again probably in April. Who needs ferretin anyways?
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Punkrocker said:
Some bodybuilder that was competing for the Arnold classic had some crazy ulcer and was bleeding for months. When he got to the hospital his hemoglobin was 4!!! I'm sure he didn't have any ferretin! That dude was still training his ass off
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Well, there is only one study that I saw where "apparently" 4000 FUs/d of Nattokinase "may have" led to a stroke due to "blood thinning".
For me, both Naringin AND Nattokinase at 8000 FUs were not enough. My blood was thick as honey, LOL.
 
Punkrocker said:
Some bodybuilder that was competing for the Arnold classic had some crazy ulcer and was bleeding for months. When he got to the hospital his hemoglobin was 4!!! I'm sure he didn't have any ferretin! That dude was still training his ass off
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Well, that shows if RBC gets high, all you need is a bleeding ulcer to avoid giving blood!

:)
 
hairygrandpa said:
Well, there is only one study that I saw where "apparently" 4000 FUs/d of Nattokinase "may have" led to a stroke due to "blood thinning".
For me, both Naringin AND Nattokinase at 8000 FUs were not enough. My blood was thick as honey, LOL.
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How thick? For example the highest I have ever been was a hemoglobin of 19. I'm assuming my hematocrit was probably around 56% yikes!!
 
Punkrocker said:
How thick? For example the highest I have ever been was a hemoglobin of 19. I'm assuming my hematocrit was probably around 56% yikes!!
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Don't remember, but giving blood lasted 30 min, because it wouldn't come out. The nurse was dumbfounded, I guess they throw away my pouch.
 
Here’s a good iron guide:
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An estimated Hematocrit can be calculated by taking hemoglobin and multiplying by 3. This is an “estimate” and not necessarily fact.

Here is another way to calculate hematocrit:
Automated cell counters calculate the hematocrit by multiplying the red cell number (in millions/mm3) by the mean cell volume (MCV, in femtoliters).
 
Punkrocker said:
Yeah not only that but apparently nattokinase does such a good job at thinning the blood that it can actually cause micro brain bleeds and many other unknown side effects due to the lack of research on the enzyme. Damnit. Whatever in just gonna donate again probably in April. Who needs ferretin anyways?
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You'll put tons of other crap in your body but THIS you'll steer clear if...

Continued donations are going to cause you problems besides ferretin and Hemaglobin. There's other RBC ratios too.

Your fear of Nannokinase is unnecassary but your over donating should be.
 
David Dunn said:
You'll put tons of other crap in your body but THIS you'll steer clear if...

Continued donations are going to cause you problems besudez ferretin and Hemaglobin. There's other RBC ratios too.

Your fear of Nannokinase is unnecassary but your over donating is.
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Currently my RBC is 5.8, hemoglobin 17.1 and my hematocrit is 48%
 
Sorry to high jack like this but how often should we donate??? Do we count when we do hormone panels also??? Im learning from listening 2 u guys...and thanks by the way Punkrocker for starting this page!!!
 
81dcs said:
Sorry to high jack like this but how often should we donate??? Do we count when we do hormone panels also??? Im learning from listening 2 u guys...and thanks by the way Punkrocker for starting this page!!!
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According to the red Cross it's every 56 days but that's really a load of crap. They only look at ur hemoglobin and not your ferretin. My ferretin is on thin ice and technically I can donate again if I want. Smh
 
From everything I see and have experienced, I think 3 donations MAX a year would be sufficient. Preferably 2 depending on how fast ur hematocrit rises
 
81dcs said:
Sorry to high jack like this but how often should we donate??? Do we count when we do hormone panels also??? Im learning from listening 2 u guys...and thanks by the way Punkrocker for starting this page!!!
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Being on TRT will eventually cause your hematocrit level to rise to the point you must donate or risk stroke/death from the thick blood. Most TRT sites suggest hematocrit reach 52-54% before donating. Be warned that, if you donate too often, your iron/ferritin levels will crash you into being anemic. Being anemic is just as terrible a feeling as low T.
 
kenpoengineer said:
Being on TRT will eventually cause your hematocrit level to rise to the point you must donate or risk stroke/death from the thick blood. Most TRT sites suggest hematocrit reach 52-54% before donating. Be warned that, if you donate too often, your iron/ferritin levels will crash you into being anemic. Being anemic is just as terrible a feeling as low T.
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It's not that you will eventually risk stroke or death. Proper TRT often doesn't even increase hemoglobin and hematocrit outside of the normal range. But, if a person is having wild fluctuations in T (presumably) or is supra physiologic (not necessarily in reference range, but for what their body needs) then you can see the hematocrit increase.It will, however, cap at a certain point. Higher hematocrits carry more risk. Keep in mind, these changes aren't acute. It often takes a few months for the levels to rise to their ultimately destination.

Also folks, keep in mind that a "low normal" ferritin isn't necessarily abnormal. If your hemoglobin were low normal AND your ferritin were low normal I'd wonder if there was an issue. But, if you've got hefty hemoglobin concentrations and your ferritin is at the low normal end, that could just be appropriate.

If your ferritin levels were outside of the normal range on the low side I'd be more concerned about it. Having said that, if a person wanted to chase their ferritin to boost it into that mid-range in hopes that it might help any fatigue, then iron supplementation is generally pretty well tolerated. If you wanted to go above a labeled dose, just talk to your doc as to whether or not they think there is any contraindication to it. If not, go for it and trend out your labs.
 
Saturation above 43% is often red flag ..
 
I’m currently testing a theory that ARB’s such as losartan and telmisartan can control hematocrit while on TRT (at a reasonable dose). I’ve been on this current dose before and had stable hematocrit for a couple months, but my iron was low at both points as well. We’ll see what happens. If my H/H jumps again in a month, then we’ll know I was wrong.
 
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