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Yates tests out vital alchemy youth gh, a comparison to real HGH.

Very interesting, good to know! I will have to look into that stuff as a solo supplement after I wrap this log up. My sleep has been garbage lately, mainly from this trest E so the added sleep has been real nice. I’m sure that my gh will somewhat improve just due to the fact that it seems to be helping me get back on a normal sleep schedule which is crucial for overall gh release. I haven’t done a log in a long time and my participation here has been very low lately so I am very thankful for this opportunity even if it turns out not to be the best product ever. As always, I appreciate your knowledge! Anything else that you have to say on the subject you are more than welcome to speak your mind, I am all ears.
 
Rocket3015 said:
I believe is this works well for you, they will sell a ton of it !!
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I hope so! I own a supplement company myself and it’s great to see others succeed in this industry, gives me hope lol but I will keep my opinions honest, nonetheless. So far I can only say positive things with youth GH and it’s been nice to get some rest. I think my wife was ready to kill me if I didn’t start getting a full nights sleep so it turns out that youth GH is good for my overall health too! The best part is that I’m not super groggy in the morning and not tired throughout the day like some sleeping meds do me, I’ve been getting up in the morning, going right down to the basement to work out, then getting right to work. That is a beautiful thing!
 
Danes said:
Hey Yates :)
Hope you are doing well and I hope this product treat you well too.

I am curious what they mean with " Rikkunsh1to 1000mg".

Rikkunsh1to is a KAMPO medicine and its made of 8 plants/herbs. (7.5g daily dose)
Example, in japan it is prescription drug for cancer anorexia/cachexia, weak digestion, no appetite, fullness and epigastric distress, lack of stamina, anemia, cold hands and feet, gastritis, gastric catarrh, indigestion, stomachache, vomiting++.

The cool thing with Rikkunsh1to is, it is potent Ghrelin secretatogue (actives found in it antagonize 5-HT2B 5-HT2C receptors).

Sorry for being party pooper but this product will only lead to better sleep and thats it :)
If you want, I can always contact the company who made this product and ask about their "rikkunsh1to"
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As a ghrelin secretgogue, rikkunsh1to would augment the other ingredients in youth hgh known to increase hgh like ornithine, the minerals, theanine and mucuna pruriens well.
I get the feeling that youth hgh would increase hgh production during sleep and improve sleep quality but that's about it. Melatonin has been shown to resensitise leydig cells (can't remember for sure which cells they resensitise) which increases their responsiveness to stimuli encouraging testosterone production. Through this mechanism and the increased hgh production, youth hgh should increase testosterone by more than the increase in hgh would illicit alone. Increased hgh and testosterone levels during sleep also perpetuate the production of one another

If rikkunsh1to's half life is <8hrs that would potentially also make it suitable for those with a predisposition for depression and anxiety and should mean that it doesn't cause lethargy as MK does.
This would make it an interesting alternative.
 
I actually found rikkunsh1to for 25$ a bottle, 120 caps a 2 grams each! Needless to say, I ordered a couple bottles for use after this log is over. Thanks for the input guys, keep it coming!
 
Slept an actual straight 8 hours last night :) that hasn’t happened in a while. I’m liking this youth gh more and more as I take it.
 
I just want to take a minute to say happy Valentine’s Day to my beautiful wife. We actually met on this forum 2 years ago when she messaged me about rad140 when I still worked for OL. We hit it off and decided to meet up after a month even though she lived 3,000 miles away. We got married the 5th day we were together and she moved across the country to live with me. Hard to believe that was 2 years ago already! I love you, Laura.

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yates84 said:
I just want to take a minute to say happy Valentine’s Day to my beautiful wife. We actually met on this forum 2 years ago when she messaged me about rad140 when I still worked for OL. We hit it off and decided to meet up after a month even though she lived 3,000 miles away. We got married the 5th day we were together and she moved across the country to live with me. Hard to believe that was 2 years ago already! I love you, Laura.

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Congrats :) you guys looks good together :)
 
u_e_s_i said:
As a ghrelin secretgogue, rikkunsh1to would augment the other ingredients in youth hgh known to increase hgh like ornithine, the minerals, theanine and mucuna pruriens well.
I get the feeling that youth hgh would increase hgh production during sleep and improve sleep quality but that's about it. Melatonin has been shown to resensitise leydig cells (can't remember for sure which cells they resensitise) which increases their responsiveness to stimuli encouraging testosterone production. Through this mechanism and the increased hgh production, youth hgh should increase testosterone by more than the increase in hgh would illicit alone. Increased hgh and testosterone levels during sleep also perpetuate the production of one another

If rikkunsh1to's half life is <8hrs that would potentially also make it suitable for those with a predisposition for depression and anxiety and should mean that it doesn't cause lethargy as MK does.
This would make it an interesting alternative.
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To make it very simple and short.
1. I doubt this 1000mg rikkunsh1to is real deal
2.Those other ingredients will NOT make any GH pulse so it means even if you get any GH secretion,it will not be high and will definitely not last long either and that means its pointless.

I do believe real Rikkunsh1to made by Tsumura Would be the best natural HGH booster and one which is worth trying.
But it is not side effect free. No wonder why patients on Rikkunsh1to are carefully monitored (bloods)
 
yates84 said:
I actually found rikkunsh1to for 25$ a bottle, 120 caps a 2 grams each! Needless to say, I ordered a couple bottles for use after this log is over. Thanks for the input guys, keep it coming!
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Let me know if you are interested in real Rilkkunsh1to. (The one which is used in Japan as prescription drug).
 
Danes said:
Let me know if you are interested in real Rilkkunsh1to. (The one which is used in Japan as prescription drug).
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Always interested in real deal stuff bro, nothing worse than fake or under dosed supps.
 
I am also interested. PL used the same ingredient in a low dosed standalone product and it was discontinued pretty quickly.
 
You got to love a good full nights sleep !!
 
Danes said:
Let me know if you are interested in real Rilkkunsh1to. (The one which is used in Japan as prescription drug).
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Curious about this herbal preparation, it's an interesting approach to GH release. Probably cost prohibitive here in the states?
 
unitas27 said:
Yeah I'm a bit irritated that OL is calling one of their ingredients in the new Kingslayer product as Rikkunsh1to when it clearly is not.
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It’s not Rikkunsh*to. We are using Hesperidin and Atractylodin which are two constituents of Rikkinsh*to. The label in the KS thread is simply a mock-up error. It will be fixed.
 
Jebrook said:
It’s not Rikkunsh*to. We are using Hesperidin and Atractylodin which are two constituents of Rikkinsh*to. The label in the KS thread is simply a mock-up error. It will be fixed.
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No worries, I retracted my post brother. Good looking out.
 
Late nite sub. Always in for one of your threads, especially when there's food porn happening.

2 years? I can't believe that was 2 years ago. Where has the time gone? Cheers to happiness - you never know when and where!
 
You guys look happy !!
 
Toren said:
Late nite sub. Always in for one of your threads, especially when there's food porn happening.

2 years? I can't believe that was 2 years ago. Where has the time gone? Cheers to happiness - you never know when and where!
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Seriously, me either bro. Feels like just yesterday when all of this went down. Crazy how life works sometimes.
 
Afi140 said:
true. Makes a night and day difference ;) appreciate the initial feedback Yates.
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Thank you for the opportunity, brother! I’ve really been enjoying this stuff so far. I’ve been getting a consistent 6 to 8 hours of sleep which is unheard of for me especially since I’m on a large dose of trest enanthate and it is fully kicked in at this point. On cycle I usually get 2 to 4 hours of sleep a night and that’s it so this youth gh is literally doubling my sleep. Lack of sleep is a horrible thing so this stuff is a blessing. Honestly, the sleep is better than my actual hgh.
 
My wife hooked up the V day dinner, I’m still full from this the next morning!
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Can’t go wrong with a meat and cheese plate to get things going. Cheese actually had mustard seeds in it which made it so good and oil was home made with onions and various spices. So good.
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21 day dry aged steaks came out freaking perfectly, mouth is watering just thinking about this again.
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V day just isn’t complete without chocolate covered strawberries :)
 
Question for yates, hey man following your log here. I have 2 bottles of youth ready to go, I'm a early riser. My workouts are at 3am in the morning. I usually hit the pillow around 8-830pm. Would you suggest dosing around 730ish? What time are you dosing at night and what time do youwake up? I'm just trying to get an idea so I don't have to fight thru the fog in the mornings. Thanks
 
That food looks GREAT !
 
BOSSMAN said:
Question for yates, hey man following your log here. I have 2 bottles of youth ready to go, I'm a early riser. My workouts are at 3am in the morning. I usually hit the pillow around 8-830pm. Would you suggest dosing around 730ish? What time are you dosing at night and what time do youwake up? I'm just trying to get an idea so I don't have to fight thru the fog in the mornings. Thanks
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Yep that sounds perfect. I’m in the bed around 9 every night so am dosing at 8. I would start with 1 or 2 caps and ease into dosing or you will be hating life at 3am bro.
 
Yeah unfortunately that's the only hour and half I can get my workouts in except for weekends. Prolly dose 2 at first around 645-7 and adjust accordingly. Thanks
 
When you get a feel for it, please let us know how you feel this helps joint health / feeling and overall repair (of injuries if any / sensitive areas). ty
 
Toren said:
Cheese and smoked meat is my kryptonite.

Seems like the wifey's game is on point!
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Oh yeah, she is great in the kitchen! There isn’t too much she isn’t great at, honestly.
 
bigsmall said:
When you get a feel for it, please let us know how you feel this helps joint health / feeling and overall repair (of injuries if any / sensitive areas). ty
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My elbow and shoulder have been bothering me so will keep an eye on that for any improvements.
 
So.... maybe slept an hour or two last night. Have been on the couch since 11pm. My mind just won’t turn down tonight! Hopefully this is just a one night fluke.
 
yates84 said:
So.... maybe slept an hour or two last night. Have been on the couch since 11pm. My mind just won’t turn down tonight! Hopefully this is just a one night fluke.
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I get that sometimes, it's like the movie Ground Hog Day, drives me crazy !!
 
Rocket3015 said:
I get that sometimes, it's like the movie Ground Hog Day, drives me crazy !!
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Lol I haven’t seen that movie in a long time! What a classic!
 
yates84 said:
So.... maybe slept an hour or two last night. Have been on the couch since 11pm. My mind just won’t turn down tonight! Hopefully this is just a one night fluke.
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Welcome to my life. I crash super hard from 10 - 2am and then my mind wakes me up running through all the crap I have to deal with the next day. I have never had one of those sleeps you see in the commercial where they are smiling and turning off the alarm clock.

Gaba and valerian will keep me out until about 3, but then I feel groggy the next morning.
 
kisaj said:
Welcome to my life. I crash super hard from 10 - 2am and then my mind wakes me up running through all the crap I have to deal with the next day. I have never had one of those sleeps you see in the commercial where they are smiling and turning off the alarm clock.

Gaba and valerian will keep me out until about 3, but then I feel groggy the next morning.
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Benadryl (sp?) helps me with this and no groggy
 
Nice knowing it's not just me that suffer's from this crap...wish none of us did...but ya know...
I hate during hunting season in my one room sleeping quarters camp when others come and r sleeping there a** off and im da only one up creeping around like a mouse in my own camp trying to be quiet and polite enough to let them sleep until I can finally slip a couple measly a** lil hours in..yeah it sucks, damn near dreading going to camp with my cousin this weekend to get set up for turkey season...imma just have to tell him to get some night blinders and ear plugs r something. ..but how do I do that w/o sounding like a d***???
 
I usually dose sleep related products which contain mucuna pruriens 30 minutes or less before bed as the stuff increases dopamine, which if you have too much in your system can make sleeping difficult.
Can you get to sleep without youth hgh? If so, you may want to try dosing it closer to bedtime to reduce the likelihood that you'll have too much dopamine in your system before sleep or during the early 'lighter' stages.

As for your poor sleep in general I'm an insomniac, at 21 lol, can't sleep without particular meds. If I'm spending the night at a friend or a girl's house and I've forgotten my sleeping meds I'll be awake all night.
A few years ago I was on ambien and tried two other sleeping meds, all of which stopped working after a while. In September 2016 I was put on 'phenergan' (aka promethazine) and it's worked ever since. Research it if you will, I think it'd be worth a try though. The human body doesn't become dependent upon it, nor does it acclimatise to it. Doctors also have no reasons to think that long-term use will have side-effects, though thus far no studies have proved the opposite. I'm on it and I feel fine a year and a half in. Nothing's changed. It leaves you a little groggy in the morning but after 20 minutes that dissipates.
For a while last year I was depressed, my sleep became even worse and I was put on 'quertiapine'. If you decide to try phenergan and it stops working, you could try stacking 'quertiapine' on top.
If your sleep worsens whilst on low carbs, supplementing with some tryptophan helps. You body uses tryptophan to make serotonin, which is then made into melatonin. The boost in serotonin supplementation provides can replace the serotonin dip resulting from consuming fewer carbs
Hope this helps bro
 
yates84 said:
So.... maybe slept an hour or two last night. Have been on the couch since 11pm. My mind just won’t turn down tonight! Hopefully this is just a one night fluke.
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I usually dose sleep related products which contain mucuna pruriens 30 minutes or less before bed as the stuff increases dopamine, which if you have too much in your system can make sleeping difficult.
Can you get to sleep without youth hgh? If so, you may want to try dosing it closer to bedtime to reduce the likelihood that you'll have too much dopamine in your system before sleep or during the early 'lighter' stages.

As for your poor sleep in general I'm an insomniac, at 21 lol, can't sleep without particular meds. If I'm spending the night at a friend or a girl's house and I've forgotten my sleeping meds I'll be awake all night.
A few years ago I was on ambien and tried two other sleeping meds, all of which stopped working after a while. In September 2016 I was put on 'phenergan' (aka promethazine) and it's worked ever since. Research it if you will, I think it'd be worth a try though. The human body doesn't become dependent upon it, nor does it acclimatise to it. Doctors also have no reasons to think that long-term use will have side-effects, though thus far no studies have proved the opposite. I'm on it and I feel fine a year and a half in. Nothing's changed. It leaves you a little groggy in the morning but after 20 minutes that dissipates.
For a while last year I was depressed, my sleep became even worse and I was put on 'quertiapine'. If you decide to try phenergan and it stops working, you could try stacking 'quertiapine' on top.
If your sleep worsens whilst on low carbs, supplementing with some tryptophan helps. You body uses tryptophan to make serotonin, which is then made into melatonin. The boost in serotonin supplementation provides can replace the serotonin dip resulting from consuming fewer carbs
Hope this helps bro
 
Danes said:
To make it very simple and short.
1. I doubt this 1000mg rikkunsh1to is real deal
2.Those other ingredients will NOT make any GH pulse so it means even if you get any GH secretion,it will not be high and will definitely not last long either and that means its pointless.

I do believe real Rikkunsh1to made by Tsumura Would be the best natural HGH booster and one which is worth trying.
But it is not side effect free. No wonder why patients on Rikkunsh1to are carefully monitored (bloods)
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I don't how much hgh folks who pin hgh or peptides or take MK have and chances are they have higher hgh levels than folks who take the things I'd mentioned earlier especially away from waking and post-workout but the hgh benefits of taking arginine and ornithine still provide a significant benefit over natural levels. Arginine isn't included in youth hgh but it's a fairly common ingredient in pres and intras. I know for a fact that I get a fair amount of it. Perhaps none of items I'd mentioned illicit a 'pulse' but the other items I'd mentioned, in addition to arginine and ornithine would lead to you perhaps having a least 50% more hgh release at natural points when it's released, such as during sleep, HIIT and resistance training.
It's not as much as pinning or MK but it's a decent alternative. If youth hgh doesn't contain legit rikkunsh1to, it probably contains a few of rikkunsh1to's actives, similarly to what someone said about how kingslayer's ingredients contained a misappropriation of rikkunsh1to to mean a few of its actives.

Personally, i had a bad run of MK last year and given my line of work I can't afford to be afflicted with lethargy. People have remarked on how much energy I seem to have and how much I get done and that's an advantage. I might give somatozine a try at 10mg every other or third day but if that doesn't work out I'm happy not to take MK. It's just might not be worth it for me.
As for pinning. I'm 21, at Uni for the most part and I could get away with pinning without too much hassle. Once I start working full time though, perhaps at 23, 24, in two, three years, needing to pin during the day will be too much of a hassle and a risk. Getting caught with needles in my bag or with a lot of needle marks on me will would be unacceptable. Life. Pinning hgh at 21 for two, three years doesn't seem worth it.
For folks with sleeping problems or otherwise like me, it's a decent investment. If my hgh can be 50% higher for 12hrs a day, for 60 yrs from 21 to 81, I reckon I'll feel and look that much younger than most 81 year olds

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yates84 said:
I just want to take a minute to say happy Valentine’s Day to my beautiful wife. We actually met on this forum 2 years ago when she messaged me about rad140 when I still worked for OL. We hit it off and decided to meet up after a month even though she lived 3,000 miles away. We got married the 5th day we were together and she moved across the country to live with me. Hard to believe that was 2 years ago already! I love you, Laura.

Congratulations
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u_e_s_i said:
I don't how much hgh folks who pin hgh or peptides or take MK have and chances are they have higher hgh levels than folks who take the things I'd mentioned earlier especially away from waking and post-workout but the hgh benefits of taking arginine and ornithine still provide a significant benefit over natural levels. Arginine isn't included in youth hgh but it's a fairly common ingredient in pres and intras. I know for a fact that I get a fair amount of it. Perhaps none of items I'd mentioned illicit a 'pulse' but the other items I'd mentioned, in addition to arginine and ornithine would lead to you perhaps having a least 50% more hgh release at natural points when it's released, such as during sleep, HIIT and resistance training.
It's not as much as pinning or MK but it's a decent alternative. If youth hgh doesn't contain legit rikkunsh1to, it probably contains a few of rikkunsh1to's actives, similarly to what someone said about how kingslayer's ingredients contained a misappropriation of rikkunsh1to to mean a few of its actives.

Personally, i had a bad run of MK last year and given my line of work I can't afford to be afflicted with lethargy. People have remarked on how much energy I seem to have and how much I get done and that's an advantage. I might give somatozine a try at 10mg every other or third day but if that doesn't work out I'm happy not to take MK. It's just might not be worth it for me.
As for pinning. I'm 21, at Uni for the most part and I could get away with pinning without too much hassle. Once I start working full time though, perhaps at 23, 24, in two, three years, needing to pin during the day will be too much of a hassle and a risk. Getting caught with needles in my bag or with a lot of needle marks on me will would be unacceptable. Life. Pinning hgh at 21 for two, three years doesn't seem worth it.
For folks with sleeping problems or otherwise like me, it's a decent investment. If my hgh can be 50% higher for 12hrs a day, for 60 yrs from 21 to 81, I reckon I'll feel and look that much younger than most 81 year olds

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there are MUCH better things than Arg/Orn for GH boost. I have tried Arg/Orn combo even high doses and it did nothing for my GH.
 
81dcs said:
Nice knowing it's not just me that suffer's from this crap...wish none of us did...but ya know...
I hate during hunting season in my one room sleeping quarters camp when others come and r sleeping there a** off and im da only one up creeping around like a mouse in my own camp trying to be quiet and polite enough to let them sleep until I can finally slip a couple measly a** lil hours in..yeah it sucks, damn near dreading going to camp with my cousin this weekend to get set up for turkey season...imma just have to tell him to get some night blinders and ear plugs r something. ..but how do I do that w/o sounding like a d***???
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Lol, as a kid I could never sleep over anyone's house because I would always be the last one asleep and then it would give me anxiety. Been dealing with sleep issues since then.

Funny thing is that I brought this topic up one night when a bunch of us were together and at least half the people were laughing saying they thought they were the only ones that deal with ****ty sleep.My buddy, who I assumed was always stoned because he is really forgetful and always tired, admitted that he will go 2-3 nights a week where he doesn't sleep at all. Now I get why he's like this.
 
kisaj said:
Lol, as a kid I could never sleep over anyone's house because I would always be the last one asleep and then it would give me anxiety. Been dealing with sleep issues since then.

Funny thing is that I brought this topic up one night when a bunch of us were together and at least half the people were laughing saying they thought they were the only ones that deal with ****ty sleep.My buddy, who I assumed was always stoned because he is really forgetful and always tired, admitted that he will go 2-3 nights a week where he doesn't sleep at all. Now I get why he's like this.
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My words exactly. Im laughing right now and not at cha but with ya. I was that kid too..heck I still am.
 
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