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Aleksandar37 said:
He didn't resign from the FBI. He resigned from his position and gets to take vacation time until his retirement. As for "criminal culpability", what is it you are accusing him of and based on what evidence? The only thing I've seen is Trump (who has no clue how the law or these agencies work) trying to connect dots that aren't there through twitter.
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I didn't say McCabe specifically did anything criminal.
 
youngandfree said:
I didn't say McCabe specifically did anything criminal.
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No you didn't, but it was overly implied and you're simply parroting what the news sources tell you to be upset about this week. If you're going to make an accusation, base it on actual evidence and stand by your decision until further evidence either confirms your suspicion or disproves it. This vague bull**** where you can take credit if it's correct or distance yourself because you didn't say the exact words is a immature as speaking in hashtags.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
No you didn't, but it was overly implied and you're simply parroting what the news sources tell you to be upset about this week. If you're going to make an accusation, base it on actual evidence and stand by your decision until further evidence either confirms your suspicion or disproves it. This vague bull**** where you can take credit if it's correct or distance yourself because you didn't say the exact words is a immature as speaking in hashtags.
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#youbutthurt? You pull the same semantic bulls hit all the time and get all righteously indignant saying someone is putting words into your mouth.
 
youngandfree said:
#youbutthurt? You pull the same semantic bulls hit all the time and get all righteously indignant saying someone is putting words into your mouth.
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What issue have I been shy about giving my clear opinion on? I'm not at all offended as your childish millennial phrasing implies, but I'm not going to stand around and let lies and bull**** just pass by.
 
youngandfree said:
How is wanting to expose the corruption in the FBI and former DOJ officials being "against law enforcement?"
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The Trump Republican response when people want to expose corruption at the local and state level is "that's against law enforecement", so why would it be different for you at the federal level? Oh, wait, I know!

Also, why only the FBI and former DOJ? You've continually been against investigating the current administration. Between the two of us, I'm the only one who continues to be for exposing any wrongdoing, regardless of race or party affiliation.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
The Trump Republican response when people want to expose corruption at the local and state level is "that's against law enforecement", so why would it be different for you at the federal level? Oh, wait, I know!

Also, why only the FBI and former DOJ? You've continually been against investigating the current administration. Between the two of us, I'm the only one who continues to be for exposing any wrongdoing, regardless of race or party affiliation.
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When have I said anything like that? The problem with the Trump Russia investigation is because it's being done by the corrupt FBI and former DOJ officials. Of all the leaks of information that have come out over the last year, why haven't the demo been able to leak any actual evidence showing any collusion. They got Manafort on a process and money laundering charge, and nothing related to Trump and russia.
 
Trump and the FBI and Russia is all I hear on the news anymore. I guess when almost everything country wide is moving in a better direction the left has to pick something and blindly run full speed ahead with it. MSNBC host have been running around screaming the sky is falling all year while people's pay checks and 401K's have been going up and not just for the wealthy. I've been to many countries all over the world, I've never seen one where such a vast amount of people live in such a narrow minded personal bubble. Country is in need of having a draft just to force common sense and American pride back into the country. Of course we'd still have all the spineless males out there burning draft cards expressing the freedom they hold so dear but are unwilling to defend. The country should offer free tours of Iraq and west Africa for all those people out there crying over Trump being in office and how the country is going. They'd return home with a different point of view after having the real world smack them in the face.
 
Todd Garner said:
Trump and the FBI and Russia is all I hear on the news anymore. I guess when almost everything country wide is moving in a better direction the left has to pick something and blindly run full speed ahead with it. MSNBC host have been running around screaming the sky is falling all year while people's pay checks and 401K's have been going up and not just for the wealthy. I've been to many countries all over the world, I've never seen one where such a vast amount of people live in such a narrow minded personal bubble. Country is in need of having a draft just to force common sense and American pride back into the country. Of course we'd still have all the spineless males out there burning draft cards expressing the freedom they hold so dear but are unwilling to defend. The country should offer free tours of Iraq and west Africa for all those people out there crying over Trump being in office and how the country is going. They'd return home with a different point of view after having the real world smack them in the face.
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But... didn't... trump... dodge the draft?

This is walking a very, very fine line to totalitarianism but, I'm sure you knew that.
 
Todd Garner said:
Trump and the FBI and Russia is all I hear on the news anymore. I guess when almost everything country wide is moving in a better direction the left has to pick something and blindly run full speed ahead with it. MSNBC host have been running around screaming the sky is falling all year while people's pay checks and 401K's have been going up and not just for the wealthy. I've been to many countries all over the world, I've never seen one where such a vast amount of people live in such a narrow minded personal bubble. Country is in need of having a draft just to force common sense and American pride back into the country. Of course we'd still have all the spineless males out there burning draft cards expressing the freedom they hold so dear but are unwilling to defend. The country should offer free tours of Iraq and west Africa for all those people out there crying over Trump being in office and how the country is going. They'd return home with a different point of view after having the real world smack them in the face.
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Creating more wars to justify the ridiculous size of our military that wouldn't be needed if we'd stop creating "wars"? No thanks. It's pretty damn easy to stimulate the economy by removing regulations, so when the environment here is **** in 10 years, but you have that extra 15 cents on your check, with no social security and your taxes rebounded, I'm sure you'll be just fine lmfao.
 
youngandfree said:
When have I said anything like that? The problem with the Trump Russia investigation is because it's being done by the corrupt FBI and former DOJ officials. Of all the leaks of information that have come out over the last year, why haven't the demo been able to leak any actual evidence showing any collusion. They got Manafort on a process and money laundering charge, and nothing related to Trump and russia.
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It's an ongoing investigation. Don't ****ing act like they've been left to just perform their investigation without any obstacles, including firings and starting over. If Trump would have just cooperated and not attacked law enforcement like he has been, then this would already be over. But again, if you want to bash law enforcement to protect a politician, that's your thing. You be you.
 
Woody said:
But... didn't... trump... dodge the draft?

This is walking a very, very fine line to totalitarianism but, I'm sure you knew that.
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Fine line to totalitarianism? And another saying our military is too large. Very clear neither of you have ever traveled anywhere outside the USA beside maybe a resort somewhere. Both of you made my point when I spoke about the lack of common sense.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
It's an ongoing investigation. Don't ****ing act like they've been left to just perform their investigation without any obstacles, including firings and starting over. If Trump would have just cooperated and not attacked law enforcement like he has been, then this would already be over. But again, if you want to bash law enforcement to protect a politician, that's your thing. You be you.
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But then we wouldn't know that Obama's cronies used a fake dossier to apply for and be granted FISA warrants illegally would we? I'm bashing law enforcement that did protect a politician, Clinton. That's why Adam Schiff said the FBI and DOJ are now under investigation.
 
Todd Garner said:
Fine line to totalitarianism? And another saying our military is too large. Very clear neither of you have ever traveled anywhere outside the USA beside maybe a resort somewhere. Both of you made my point when I spoke about the lack of common sense.
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Russia
Italy
England
Greece
Germany
Spain
Portugal
Brazil

I've been to more countries outside of US than states in America and never once stayed in a resort lol. It's clear you don't understand totalitarianism or how it begins.

Oh wait. I did stay at a resort in Mexico for a wedding. You got me.
 
You want to draft kids to fight in wars because you think they're soft because they disagree with your view points.
 
Todd Garner said:
Fine line to totalitarianism? And another saying our military is too large. Very clear neither of you have ever traveled anywhere outside the USA beside maybe a resort somewhere. Both of you made my point when I spoke about the lack of common sense.
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I've been quite a few places and never a resort. The world isn't split up into the US and West Africa; there is a whole lot in between, but you and the other Trump supporters want everybody to think everything outside the US is scary and we need protection from it. These policies don't matter to the white trash ****heads who don't travel or do business overseas, but **** it up for the rest of us who leave the country.
 
youngandfree said:
But then we wouldn't know that Obama's cronies used a fake dossier to apply for and be granted FISA warrants illegally would we? I'm bashing law enforcement that did protect a politician, Clinton. That's why Adam Schiff said the FBI and DOJ are now under investigation.
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That may be a possibility, but we don't know that yet because there hasn't been a full investigation or trial yet. You're not basing that on actual evidence.
 
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So McCabe was going to be demoted by Wray, but decided to take leave until his retirement eligibility started. That would make him the 2nd or third FBI official to be demoted or removed from the "Trump investigation" for wrong doing.

Corrupt law enforcement protecting corrupt politicians is the problem.
 
youngandfree said:
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So McCabe was going to be demoted by Wray, but decided to take leave until his retirement eligibility started. That would make him the 2nd or third FBI official to be demoted or removed from the "Trump investigation" for wrong doing.

Corrupt law enforcement protecting corrupt politicians is the problem.
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Pretty soon you're going to be kneeling during the national anthem
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Pretty soon you're going to be kneeling during the national anthem
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In your wet dreams. You won't even acknowledge the corruption involved in the process of investigating the corruption. As someone that has said you think Hilary is a crook, you're awful forgiving to those law enforcement officials that overlooked and covered up her criminal activity.
 
Woody said:
*makes absurd statements*
*makes claims with no support*
*fails to understand the basics of his statements*
*gets proven wrong*
*calls everyone who proves him wrong or makes his brain cells work a sheep*
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The thing here you got right was me calling you a sheep. I wasn't proven wrong on nothing beside the two of you have traveled outside the US. Everything else said wasn't stated in a way that it could be proven one way or another, so you simply have no idea what your talking about. I've been a soldier, I've also worked in the civilian sector. I've seen these points of view from every angle, you have not. Some people fight for what they believe in others type for what they believe in. I didn't fail to understand my statement, you simply couldn't agree because you have zero experience in the manner.
 
youngandfree said:
In your wet dreams. You won't even acknowledge the corruption involved in the process of investigating the corruption. As someone that has said you think Hilary is a crook, you're awful forgiving to those law enforcement officials that overlooked and covered up her criminal activity.
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Hey man. Blue lives matter. I'm sorry you disagree with that.

I'm for bringing anybody who is corrupt to justice. You and Trump choose to paint entire agencies as corrupt because of a few corrupt individuals, but don't hold the same standards to your own party. If you have actual evidence that these people have committed a crime, then alert the authorities. Right now you simply have Trump's word which has been complete ****. I am for having trials and presenting evidence; you simply want everybody who Trump talks about on twitter to be sent to prison.

Now take a deep breath and look at your logic. Just humor me. Typical Republicans (including Trump and several in this thread) don't like it when local and state police are all painted as corrupt because of a few, yet have no problem doing the same thing to federal members of law enforcement. You're allowed to have whatever opinion you want, but that just doesn't add up for me.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Hey man. Blue lives matter. I'm sorry you disagree with that.

I'm for bringing anybody who is corrupt to justice. You and Trump choose to paint entire agencies as corrupt because of a few corrupt individuals, but don't hold the same standards to your own party. If you have actual evidence that these people have committed a crime, then alert the authorities. Right now you simply have Trump's word which has been complete ****. I am for having trials and presenting evidence; you simply want everybody who Trump talks about on twitter to be sent to prison.

Now take a deep breath and look at your logic. Just humor me. Typical Republicans (including Trump and several in this thread) don't like it when local and state police are all painted as corrupt because of a few, yet have no problem doing the same thing to federal members of law enforcement. You're allowed to have whatever opinion you want, but that just doesn't add up for me.
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Trump hasn't told me anything. FBI agents texting each other have been an enlightening source of info. Especially from corrupt agents that have been removed from the investigation.

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Todd Garner said:
The thing here you got right was me calling you a sheep. I wasn't proven wrong on nothing beside the two of you have traveled outside the US. Everything else said wasn't stated in a way that it could be proven one way or another, so you simply have no idea what your talking about. I've been a soldier, I've also worked in the civilian sector. I've seen these points of view from every angle, you have not. Some people fight for what they believe in others type for what they believe in. I didn't fail to understand my statement, you simply couldn't agree because you have zero experience in the manner.
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Ok, Magellan, so where have you been that wasn't paid for with US tax dollars? You're basing the rest of the world off of the reactions you saw when you went to another country with a rifle. No **** you didn't get a warm welcome.
 
youngandfree said:
Trump hasn't told me anything. FBI agents texting each other have been an enlightening source of info. Especially from corrupt agents that have been removed from the investigation.

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That doesn't support what you've been saying about Russia-related events. First, it's texts between two people ****ing each other...who knows what they actually knew or didn't yet. But let's say they did know. You're again trying to paint an entire law enforcement agency as corrupt because a few individuals have been discovered and removed. And if there is evidence, they should be prosecuted. However, that doesn't mean the entire organization is corrupt. Also, we don't have to choose between which corruption we investigate which is what you are supporting. Investigate and prosecute ALL corruption. Stop making it about party lines.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
That doesn't support what you've been saying about Russia-related events. First, it's texts between two people ****ing each other...who knows what they actually knew or didn't yet. But let's say they did know. You're again trying to paint an entire law enforcement agency as corrupt because a few individuals have been discovered and removed. And if there is evidence, they should be prosecuted. However, that doesn't mean the entire organization is corrupt. Also, we don't have to choose between which corruption we investigate which is what you are supporting. Investigate and prosecute ALL corruption. Stop making it about party lines.
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See you're wrong again. I'm not painting any entire organization. I'm clearly stating the corrupt FBI and DOJ officials are the ones that covered up Clinton and her criminal activity, and they are now the ones investigating Trump. That's a clear conflict of interest.
 
Todd Garner said:
The thing here you got right was me calling you a sheep. I wasn't proven wrong on nothing beside the two of you have traveled outside the US. Everything else said wasn't stated in a way that it could be proven one way or another, so you simply have no idea what your talking about. I've been a soldier, I've also worked in the civilian sector. I've seen these points of view from every angle, you have not. Some people fight for what they believe in others type for what they believe in. I didn't fail to understand my statement, you simply couldn't agree because you have zero experience in the manner.
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Okay, but you're still ignoring the part about the fine line to totalitarianism. You fought for America, right? You believe in America and American freedoms. Tell me how you can sit here and convince yourself you believe in American freedoms yet want to draft kids into the wars because you view them as weak for having a different perspective or point of view as you? You want to draft them to "force [what you believe is] common sense and American pride back into [them]." You want to send people on a war tour for disagreeing with Trump? How is that freedom? How is that what America stands for?

Besides, I'm sure you had no qualms about disagreeing with that damn dirty liberal Obama!!! You wouldn't draft Americans to go do tours in west Africa or Iraq for expressing their displeasure of Obama.

Todd Garner said:
Trump and the FBI and Russia is all I hear on the news anymore. I guess when almost everything country wide is moving in a better direction the left has to pick something and blindly run full speed ahead with it. MSNBC host have been running around screaming the sky is falling all year while people's pay checks and 401K's have been going up and not just for the wealthy. I've been to many countries all over the world, I've never seen one where such a vast amount of people live in such a narrow minded personal bubble. Country is in need of having a draft just to force common sense and American pride back into the country. Of course we'd still have all the spineless males out there burning draft cards expressing the freedom they hold so dear but are unwilling to defend. The country should offer free tours of Iraq and west Africa for all those people out there crying over Trump being in office and how the country is going. They'd return home with a different point of view after having the real world smack them in the face.
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Okay, but you're still ignoring the part about the fine line to totalitarianism. You fought for America, right? You believe in America and American freedoms. Tell me how you can sit here and convince yourself you believe in American freedoms yet want to draft kids into the wars because you view them as weak for having a different perspective or point of view as you? How is that freedom? How is that what America stands for?
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Freedom is not free. And those who serve understand the price that is paid to allow different points of view. Desmond T Doss won the Medal of Honor refusing to bear arms, he served as a medic. I don't mind different points of view, but people begin to toss their right to free speech around carelessly forgetting that they are standing on the backs of generations of men who's fought so that they may speak their mind. Our Government is set up in a way so that totalitarianism would never be possible. A draft would put a man in a fox hole or through training where it did not matter where the man next to you was from or what color he was. There would be a greater understanding of how lucky everyone in the US is.
 
Todd Garner said:
Freedom is not free. And those who serve understand the price that is paid to allow different points of view. Desmond T Doss won the Medal of Honor refusing to bear arms, he served as a medic. I don't mind different points of view, but people begin to toss their right to free speech around carelessly forgetting that they are standing on the backs of generations of men who's fought so that they may speak their mind. Our Government is set up in a way so that totalitarianism would never be possible. A draft would put a man in a fox hole or through training where it did not matter where the man next to you was from or what color he was. There would be a greater understanding of how lucky everyone in the US is.
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Well said brother
 
youngandfree said:
See you're wrong again. I'm not painting any entire organization. I'm clearly stating the corrupt FBI and DOJ officials are the ones that covered up Clinton and her criminal activity, and they are now the ones investigating Trump. That's a clear conflict of interest.
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You've clearly said and continue to say the FBI is corrupt, even after individuals have been removed. You don't have evidence either way and you're choosing to repeatedly say that Trump is innocent and the investigation should end. Can't wait for this memo to blow up in the Republicans faces. Wonder if it will be as enlightening as Trump's tapes on Comey...oh wait...
 
Aleksandar37 said:
You've clearly said and continue to say the FBI is corrupt, even after individuals have been removed. You don't have evidence either way and you're choosing to repeatedly say that Trump is innocent and the investigation should end. Can't wait for this memo to blow up in the Republicans faces. Wonder if it will be as enlightening as Trump's tapes on Comey...oh wait...
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OK Dr Semantics, please show where I've said THE ENTIRE FBI IS CORRUPT. You can't because I've never said that. But you only care about semantics when you're trying to skirt around explaining your own statements.
 
youngandfree said:
OK Dr Semantics, please show where I've said THE ENTIRE FBI IS CORRUPT. You can't because I've never said that. But you only care about semantics when you're trying to skirt around explaining your own statements.
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I've asked this repeatedly because you keep saying it, statements like what?

And if the entire FBI isn't corrupt. What is the problem? Are you saying Mueller is corrupt too? Who do you think should be leading the investigation?

Also, do you support release of the Democrat response memo in addition to the Republican memo, or just the Republican one?
 
Todd Garner said:
Freedom is not free. And those who serve understand the price that is paid to allow different points of view. Desmond T Doss won the Medal of Honor refusing to bear arms, he served as a medic. I don't mind different points of view, but people begin to toss their right to free speech around carelessly forgetting that they are standing on the backs of generations of men who's fought so that they may speak their mind. Our Government is set up in a way so that totalitarianism would never be possible. A draft would put a man in a fox hole or through training where it did not matter where the man next to you was from or what color he was. There would be a greater understanding of how lucky everyone in the US is.
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I'm just curious. Do you feel like you're better than people who haven't served? Or you have more of a right to exercise your freedoms than someone who hasn't served?
 
Todd Garner said:
Freedom is not free. And those who serve understand the price that is paid to allow different points of view. Desmond T Doss won the Medal of Honor refusing to bear arms, he served as a medic. I don't mind different points of view, but people begin to toss their right to free speech around carelessly forgetting that they are standing on the backs of generations of men who's fought so that they may speak their mind. Our Government is set up in a way so that totalitarianism would never be possible. A draft would put a man in a fox hole or through training where it did not matter where the man next to you was from or what color he was. There would be a greater understanding of how lucky everyone in the US is.
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We are all in this together....freedom is not free, our troops/vets put their life on the line, the US tax dollar both finance the entire system and brunt the costs of family and friends going overseas. ITs different but we are all in this together paying the price.

BTW...Our government already is totalitarian, it has been so for a very long time so I dunno why you dont think that would never be possible. We used to have a US Constitution but thats just a museum piece that shows once it existed. Its easy to understand why people dont wanna fight for these cash hounding big banker demican/republicrat bastards.
 
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Last night's State of The Union was a refreshing change of pace. Who's paycheck has less taxes taken out so far? It's hard to gauge mine yet since I haven't had a straight 40 hour check in a while to compare.
 
youngandfree said:
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Last night's State of The Union was a refreshing change of pace. Who's paycheck has less taxes taken out so far? It's hard to gauge mine yet since I haven't had a straight 40 hour check in a while to compare.
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Mine doesn't and my law firm is going to be paying substantially more in taxes going forward. Got a 2% reduction and lost about 10483937393 deductions
 
I know you guys know I always stray as far away as possible from all conspiracies, but I gotta say today's train "accident" didnt look like an accident.
 
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I know you guys know I always stray as far away as possible from all conspiracies, but I gotta say today's train "accident" didnt look like an accident.
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It's like the baseball game all over again. Get a majority together in one spot and try and take out as many as possible.

But it's probably a garbage truck driver wasnt paying attention and it was too late.
 
youngandfree said:
It's like the baseball game all over again. Get a majority together in one spot and try and take out as many as possible.

But it's probably a garbage truck driver wasnt paying attention and it was too late.
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I dont think anybody od'ing on Oxycontin downing 3 bottles of everclear would have not noticed that train.
 
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So standard deductions are doubled, state and local tax deduction still there, but capped, child tax credit still there, mortgage interest deduction and charitable giving deductions are still there.

Should work out ok for me even though I have no kids.
 
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