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pureburl

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Does anyone have any experience or know of someone with experience with taking LGD4033? I'm thinking off throwing it into my test cycle and I've heard good things about it. What y'all think?
 
Is it your first cycle?
How old are you?
BB experience (years)?
Bulk, cut, recomp?
How much test/w?
Cycle duration?
Stats?
BF%?
 
hairygrandpa said:
Is it your first cycle?
How old are you?
BB experience (years)?
Bulk, cut, recomp?
How much test/w?
Cycle duration?
Stats?
BF%?
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It's my first true aas cycle. I've done a few prohormone cycles. I was gonna throw it in the end of the cycle possibly.
-25 years old
-6 years bb exp
-bulk cycle
-500mg test e/week
-cycle length: 13 weeks
-6ft, 200 pounds
-not positive on bf somewhere between 14-16%
 
pureburl said:
It's my first true aas cycle. I've done a few prohormone cycles. I was gonna throw it in the end of the cycle possibly.
-25 years old
-6 years bb exp
-bulk cycle
-500mg test e/week
-cycle length: 13 weeks
-6ft, 200 pounds
-not positive on bf somewhere between 14-16%
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Keep it simple. LGD can come with undesired sides, like lethargy (besides having a "test base") -and joint pain, look it up on google.
To enhance your cycle, curb e2 conversion from test, lower SHBG and get more free test, you could take 50mg/d proviron (2x25mg).
That should make it a smooth ride.
Proviron may be sufficient to keep estrogen in range. Keep an AI on hand (adex/exem) just in case. Watch blood pressure.
How does your PCT look?
 
I'm currently taking aromisin at 12.5mg eod and it seems to be a good spot, Im on week 6 of test only by the way. I'll be running clomid and nolva for a 6 week pct along with some natural test boosters
 
pureburl said:
I'm currently taking aromisin at 12.5mg eod and it seems to be a good spot, Im on week 6 of test only by the way. I'll be running clomid and nolva for a 6 week pct along with some natural test boosters
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Okay. The test should kick in full gear by week 6-7. You inject twice a week, right? If not, do so. 250mg (monday/thursday -for example).
Think about proviron -but lower/cut the aromasin if you take it.
Don't forget to take aromasin again AFTER PCT (not during) to prevent estrogen rebound. Eod 12.5mg after the last clomid/nolva for 2 weeks is enough.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Okay. The test should kick in full gear by week 6-7. You inject twice a week, right? If not, do so. 250mg (monday/thursday -for example).
Think about proviron -but lower/cut the aromasin if you take it.
Don't forget to take aromasin again AFTER PCT (not during) to prevent estrogen rebound. Eod 12.5mg after the last clomid/nolva for 2 weeks is enough.
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Yeah I actually do Monday and thursday lol. I'll be taking my aromisin through pct and all that. Why do you say not to take an AI during pct?? Not sure if I'm prone to estrogen related sides but don't want to chance it plus it keeps bloat down and has other positive effects. I'll have to do a little research into proviron. Thanks for your replies bro they were helpful
 
pureburl said:
Yeah I actually do Monday and thursday lol. I'll be taking my aromisin through pct and all that. Why do you say not to take an AI during pct?? Not sure if I'm prone to estrogen related sides but don't want to chance it plus it keeps bloat down and has other positive effects. I'll have to do a little research into proviron. Thanks for your replies bro they were helpful
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Nolva and clomid block estrogen receptors, no estrogen can dock = no AI needed. After cessation of Serms, estrogen can suddenly dock on free receptors = rebound, hence, after last dose of serm take the AI.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Nolva and clomid block estrogen receptors, no estrogen can dock = no AI needed. After cessation of Serms, estrogen can suddenly dock on free receptors = rebound, hence, after last dose of serm take the AI.
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Bro you're so right lol. I feel dumb, but thanks a lot for the info and advice my dude
 
pureburl said:
Bro you're so right lol. I feel dumb, but thanks a lot for the info and advice my dude
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Look, there is some controversy about PCT involving nolva+clomid+AI. Some guys swear that an AI is needed, because the circulating estrogen, even though it can't bind to receptors, affects testosterone production negatively.
I never took an AI during PCT, only afterwards. My worry is, when you stop injecting test, you can't create estrogen from test -until own test is produced. You may kill estrogen completely using AI in PCT, that would be bad.
So take my advise with a grain of salt. If you want to be sure, take no AI the first two weeks of PCT, then 12.5mg aromasin e3d-e4d. This way you combine both, just an idea.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Look, there is some controversy about PCT involving nolva+clomid+AI. Some guys swear that an AI is needed, because the circulating estrogen, even though it can't bind to receptors, affects testosterone production negatively.
I never took an AI during PCT, only afterwards. My worry is, when you stop injecting test, you can't create estrogen from test -until own test is produced. You may kill estrogen completely using AI in PCT, that would be bad.
So take my advise with a grain of salt. If you want to be sure, take no AI the first two weeks of PCT, then 12.5mg aromasin e3d-e4d. This way you combine both, just an idea.
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I'm with you on this one... My thought about this is that the body is constantly trying to return to a state of homeostasis. While using nolva or Clomid estro may be high but as test levels climb and level out so too does estrogen. Everything is trying to return to baseline. An ai is not needed during pct in my opinion. You want things to return to normal as soon as possible so less is more in pct imo. I run nolva ONLY. No other supps except maybe something for cortisol control.

Then again I rarely use an ai on cycle. Only if absolutely necessary. Its a tricky thing to control especially w/out regular bloodwork. Id rather have it a little high than in the low range. If you've ever crashed your estro it will make you rethink your approach to ai use. And it doesn't just climb right back either. Takes time for that estro to come back.
 
I'll do some extra research into it. What you're saying does make sense though. If I find any good material I'll post a link for all to check out
 
pureburl said:
Bump. Anyone with any input about LGD4033
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Yes... 500mg/w test is enough for your first run. LGD may have undesired sides, especially lethargy (lethargy = sh1tty workouts, no appetite, feeling ill), are you listening?
 
hairygrandpa said:
Yes... 500mg/w test is enough for your first run. LGD may have undesired sides, especially lethargy (lethargy = sh1tty workouts, no appetite, feeling ill), are you listening?
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I'm listening. Regardless I'd still like to hear input/experience with LGD even if I don't add it into this cycle. I'm not stuck on adding anything else to this cycle, but I'd still like to hear about people's opinion on the effectiveness of the sarm
 
pureburl said:
I'm listening. Regardless I'd still like to hear input/experience with LGD even if I don't add it into this cycle. I'm not stuck on adding anything else to this cycle, but I'd still like to hear about people's opinion on the effectiveness of the sarm
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That's what LGD is for me (without mentioning the sides):
-good "dry" bulker without being harsh on the liver, can be used for longer periods than most oral steroids
-gains are lean -but relatively slow
-strength goes up late by week 5-6
-lean mass gains are like t-bol, but kicks in later (t-bol = superior)
 
hairygrandpa said:
That's what LGD is for me (without mentioning the sides):
-good "dry" bulker without being harsh on the liver, can be used for longer periods than most oral steroids
-gains are lean -but relatively slow
-strength goes up late by week 5-6
-lean mass gains are like t-bol, but kicks in later (t-bol = superior)
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Thanks for your input on it bro
 
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