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hairygrandpa said:
To proof this study wrong, you have to put your liver on the line... :)

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Haha I that a mother ****ing challenge? , I dont know but everyone says the damn mice were getting 50 times the dose and apparently it was used for a really long time. Is it animal cruelty to try it on my cats?
 
Chados said:
Haha I that a mother ****ing challenge? , I dont know but everyone says the damn mice were getting 50 times the dose and apparently it was used for a really long time. Is it animal cruelty to try it on my cats?
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I don't wanna argue -nor read the study thoroughly again. You asked for opinions...here they are.
 
Chados said:
Not arguing, I just heard the study is from 2007 and has been dismissed.
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IMHO, GW (if used at all) is best used between cycles, when cholesterol is out of whack. Maybe during a test cruise.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I may be wrong, its just my opinion -and I like to play it safe, after multiple failures.
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I respect that , yeah i also feel it has its place in pct but considering tren and cholesterol if it's not liver toxic should be amazing. Counters so many things according to people that used it. The thing that made me look in to it now with tren was not only cholesterol but blood pressure and as a plus burning fat. I'll have to read a bit more about it and see if it really is true or not
 
Chados said:
I respect that , yeah i also feel it has its place in pct but considering tren and cholesterol if it's not liver toxic should be amazing. Counters so many things according to people that used it. The thing that made me look in to it now with tren was not only cholesterol but blood pressure and as a plus burning fat. I'll have to read a bit more about it and see if it really is true or not
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I could see the benefits, especially because endurance is suffering while on tren. My objection is more to the use of T-bol + GW.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I could see the benefits, especially because endurance is suffering while on tren. My objection is more to the use of T-bol + GW.
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Yeah I see what you mean but tren is arguably more toxic to the liver than tbol. I'll see if I can find a study that actually explain wether this study was legit proof or not.
 
Chados said:
Yeah I see what you mean but tren is arguably more toxic to the liver than tbol. I'll see if I can find a study that actually explain wether this study was legit proof or not.
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I bet my right nut that you will have a hard time to find human studies on GW. The right nut is my biggest one, LOL.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I bet my right nut that you will have a hard time to find human studies on GW. The right nut is my biggest one, LOL.
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Haha true but maybe they've done another study on rats. as far as I can tell by people using it, it lowers blood pressure and cholesterol and didn't cause any sides really. Then again it's internet, I bet half of the steroid users on a forum like this don't do bloodwork. Running tren on first cycle seems to be the new thing :)
 
Chados said:
Haha true but maybe they've done another study on rats. as far as I can tell by people using it, it lowers blood pressure and cholesterol and didn't cause any sides really. Then again it's internet, I bet half of the steroid users on a forum like this don't do bloodwork. Running tren on first cycle seems to be the new thing :)
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The most pronounced effect GW had on me was lowering my heart rate during cardio. Could not get it over 135 b/pm, no matter how hard I tried.
 
hairygrandpa said:
The most pronounced effect GW had on me was lowering my heart rate during cardio. Could not get it over 135 b/pm, no matter how hard I tried.
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That might be how it keeps you working instead of resting. Did you notice any fatburn while on it?
 
Chados said:
That might be how it keeps you working instead of resting. Did you notice any fatburn while on it?
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Can't say for sure, because I was like you, mixing a ton of stuff together -after that I didn't know what worked -and what not. ;)
 
hairygrandpa said:
Can't say for sure, because I was like you, mixing a ton of stuff together -after that I didn't know what worked -and what not. ;)
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Haha well I have used the other compounds. I've never added more than one new to a cycle. If cardarine could take away the drowsiness from tren it would be awesome. I doubt it can boost tren that much regarding gains though. If test gives 10 pounds and dbol 20 pounds it doesnt add up to 30 with steroids.
 
Chados said:
Haha well I have used the other compounds. I've never added more than one new to a cycle. If cardarine could take away the drowsiness from tren it would be awesome. I doubt it can boost tren that much regarding gains though. If test gives 10 pounds and dbol 20 pounds it doesnt add up to 30 with steroids.
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As I said earlier, I'm against mixing too much. For the same reasons. Besides unwanted interactions (even though your intentions are good -and arguments for it are sound) , Tren is WAY more anabolic then test -or t-bol. Why would you saturate receptors with low-anabolic stuff? Why not use a higher dose of tren? On the other hand you want to diminish sides of tren. Masteron is used by others, supposedly helping with sides. I would cut out t-bol and use GW in a cruise. I would (if I had to use tren) use 600mg/w mast with tren and 175mg test/w. That's it. Not more -not less.
 
hairygrandpa said:
As I said earlier, I'm against mixing too much. For the same reasons. Besides unwanted interactions (even though your intentions are good -and arguments for it are sound) , Tren is WAY more anabolic then test -or t-bol. Why would you saturate receptors with low-anabolic stuff? Why not use a higher dose of tren? On the other hand you want to diminish sides of tren. Masteron is used by others, supposedly helping with sides. I would cut out t-bol and use GW in a cruise. I would (if I had to use tren) use 600mg/w mast with tren and 175mg test/w. That's it. Not more -not less.
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Yeah but masteron is not strong enough to prevent the sides, it helps though. Trust me I'm also against adding too many compounds. I might wait until tbol is over and start gw after for the rest of the cycle and then during pct. I never like going above 400 on tren since i get no sides except being lethargic if I don't drink enough, no might sweats, no tren cough, never had any problems with bp etc. I do feel a little tired on it and that's why I keep it at 400 max. I respond extremly well to any steroid and can use winstrol as a bulker.

I like the benefits of gw and especially that it counters tren sides such as bad energy during the day. I think adding more is often less but I'm sceptic wether its actually more in this case. But yeah could wait until tbol is done.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I would (if I had to use tren) use 600mg/w mast with tren and 175mg test/w. That's it. Not more -not less.
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This is how I run Tren without any sides other than an insane libido. In fact, it’s the first and only way I’ve ever run Tren, which made me wonder what all the fuss was about re: crazy Tren sides. I’ve never experienced them. It’s also been the only compound that made me need to have sex / rub one out 4x a day to the point of getting badly chafed.
 
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