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Chados

Chados

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Someone who has tried everything.

I have actually tried everything but I havent stacked them together to compare.

a mass cycle and at the same time drop fat (consider test and tren included)


1. Dbol + winstrol or mast

2. anadrol only

3. Masteron + winstrol


Obviously I understand the difference between these compounds and I've used them all, but my biggest question is wether tren can manage to keep dbol and adrol clean enough for it to be worth choosing ahead of winstrol and mast. Take note that i gain quite a lot with winny
 
Not a fan of mixing compounds here. Every time I "cooked up" a cycle, sides made me cut it short.
Now cycles look simple. Test as a base and either 1 oral -or one injectable on top, works like a charm.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Not a fan of mixing compounds here. Every time I "cooked up" a cycle, sides made me cut it short.
Now cycles look simple. Test as a base and either 1 oral -or one injectable on top, works like a charm.
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I'm all for safety and I rather run mast alone but I always feel tren keeps everything so much cleaner, id take a long break mixing it with something like drol for sure.
 
Chados said:
I'm all for safety and I rather run mast alone but I always feel tren keeps everything so much cleaner, id take a long break mixing it with something like drol for sure.
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A friend of mine, long time roid user, swears by combining mast with tren and a TRT dose (under 200mg/w) of test, stating that he has virtually no tren sides this way.
I may never try tren again, it was hell on earth for me.

For a recomp, like you are attempting, I would do 8 weeksT-bol 80mg/d + Test 250-500mg/d and Cardarine 20mg/d for enhanced metabolism. Maybe with carb back loading to cut during week days and add some muscles on the weekend.
Obviously, if you can tolerate tren, that would be the best choice, I guess.
 
I love tbol and I was considering that but it's so damn expensive. Personally I get 0 sides from tren except a little moodswing, but I never take I out on others. I was curious about a wet compound since tren can keep it so clean. Obviously size will be with dbol or drol and I wonder how much will be lost after a cycle with these. My heart says mast and my brain says drol. I have no doubt I'll grow on everything cause I always respond well. Appreciate your feedback I was also thinking about adding cardarine.
 
Chados said:
I love tbol and I was considering that but it's so damn expensive. Personally I get 0 sides from tren except a little moodswing, but I never take I out on others. I was curious about a wet compound since tren can keep it so clean. Obviously size will be with dbol or drol and I wonder how much will be lost after a cycle with these. My heart says mast and my brain says drol. I have no doubt I'll grow on everything cause I always respond well. Appreciate your feedback I was also thinking about adding cardarine.
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Go with mast, like 600mg/w. All wet compounds may jack up your BP. I bet a low test dose, medium tren dose, medium mast dose + cardarine
would be awesome. Please log it if you go for it.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Go with mast, like 600mg/w. All wet compounds may jack up your BP. I bet a low test dose, medium tren dose, medium mast dose + cardarine
would be awesome. Please log it if you go for it.
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Definitely will. This stack is fantastic and I wonder how much more keepable (clean) size anadrol or dbol could give. Is it worth it? I'm debating heavily here. My plan was first to run a wet bulker and In maybe 6 months do a cut like the one you said.
 
Chados said:
Definitely will. This stack is fantastic and I wonder how much more keepable (clean) size anadrol or dbol could give. Is it worth it? I'm debating heavily here. My plan was first to run a wet bulker and In maybe 6 months do a cut like the one you said.
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Can only talk about my own experience. Never got "true gains" from Dbol, never did Adrol. I may try Trest-ace as a wet bulker , together with ralox -but before I can bulk I have to lose more BF.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Can only talk about my own experience. Never got "true gains" from Dbol, never did Adrol. I may try Trest-ace as a wet bulker , together with ralox -but before I can bulk I have to lose more BF.
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I found dbol to be a bloater while anadrol to me didn't. Some people claim differently so I don't know. Doesn't make sense from how they act in the body. I didn't keep gains from dbol that well but tren makes every compound better.
 
I've decided to go for either winstrol or tbol. Tbol more size, winstrol more ripped. What to do?
 
hairygrandpa said:
Tbol. Dry gains, more friendly to joints and liver. Could be run longer.
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I'm leaning towards that. Whats the difference for you personally taking these two and at what dosage? Never had jontpain myself. I do think tbol could be almost winstrol like with tren and add a bit more size. I've only ran tbol at low dose and it should probably be ran at 60mg right?
 
Chados said:
I'm leaning towards that. Whats the difference for you personally taking these two and at what dosage? Never had jontpain myself. I do think tbol could be almost winstrol like with tren and add a bit more size. I've only ran tbol at low dose and it should probably be ran at 60mg right?
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For me, T-bol comes close to be the perfect steroid. All gains are "true gains", no water retention, no sides (maybe back pumps later in cycle) little elevated BP. Reasonable strength gains, kicking in around day 10.
Overall performance goes up, even cardio. Like Winstrol, it also loweres SHBG and goes well with test. Winstrol is "too dry" for my liking, maybe because of age related joint issues, its also harsh on the liver for me, cycles have to be shorter.

T-bol dosage, IMHO should be between 45 and 100mg/day split dosage. 45-60mg for inexperienced users. Wouldn't go over 8 weeks. 80mg is probably a good idea for you.
Winstrol standard is 50mg /day, I guess, 4-6 weeks.

The problem is, with tren, I would keep test low. Introducing t-bol would benefit from higher test, IMHO. See the problem?
 
hairygrandpa said:
For me, T-bol comes close to be the perfect steroid. All gains are "true gains", no water retention, no sides (maybe back pumps later in cycle) little elevated BP. Reasonable strength gains, kicking in around day 10.
Overall performance goes up, even cardio. Like Winstrol, it also loweres SHBG and goes well with test. Winstrol is "too dry" for my liking, maybe because of age related joint issues, its also harsh on the liver for me, cycles have to be shorter.

T-bol dosage, IMHO should be between 45 and 100mg/day split dosage. 45-60mg for inexperienced users. Wouldn't go over 8 weeks. 80mg is probably a good idea for you.
Winstrol standard is 50mg /day, I guess, 4-6 weeks.

The problem is, with tren, I would keep test low. Introducing t-bol would benefit from higher test, IMHO. See the problem?
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Yeah that is a problem, I'm thinking about 320 mg test with 400 tren which is kinda low. I'm responding quite well to anything so hopefully :)
 
Chados said:
Yeah that is a problem, I'm thinking about 320 mg test with 400 tren which is kinda low. I'm responding quite well to anything so hopefully :)
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If tren sides hit, cut test to about 175mg/week. I saw it on numerous forums. Looks like tren does not go well with high test for most users.
Besides, why keeping a very low anabolic compound (test) high when using a highly anabolic compound (tren)?
T-bol is on paper less anabolic than test, hence keeping test higher with it is a good idea, IMHO.
 
hairygrandpa said:
If tren sides hit, cut test to about 175mg/week. I saw it on numerous forums. Looks like tren does not go well with high test for most users.
Besides, why keeping a very low anabolic compound (test) high when using a highly anabolic compound (tren)?
T-bol is on paper less anabolic than test, hence keeping test higher with it is a good idea, IMHO.
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Yeah I'm gonna keep that in mind. I don't see the reason to go high on test with tren. The vial has 320/ml so my first thought was to make it easy haha. Might be around 200 we'll see.
 
Chados said:
Yeah I'm gonna keep that in mind. I don't see the reason to go high on test with tren. The vial has 320/ml so my first thought was to make it easy haha. Might be around 200 we'll see.
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320mg/ml test? If that is true, it will sting badly! :)
 
The guy gave me about 100 dollar discount. Had I know about this maybe id go for mast haha, maybe good I got tbol so I ended up somewhere in the middle.
 
I have a log somewhere in the logs section that you can see what I looked like towards the end of the cycle. It's not the PO Trest log
 
Outofbody said:
12.5 mg stane ed + prami and it's GTG!! :D
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Obviously no Test as a base.
I would go wit 40mg Ralox/d + caber -and prepare for humongous growth. I wonder about sides, because Trest substitutes Test, and high test and tren does not go well for most.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Obviously no Test as a base.
I would go wit 40mg Ralox/d + caber -and prepare for humongous growth. I wonder about sides, because Trest substitutes Test, and high test and tren does not go well for most.
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Yup, last time I ran trest ace, I also ran 10mg nolva alongside, but next time I'd opt for ralox. Rx caber would be great (liquid is too unstable).

I'd probably want to run lithium orotate or tianeptine on this cycle!!!!
 
Outofbody said:
Yup, last time I ran trest ace, I also ran 10mg nolva alongside, but next time I'd opt for ralox. Rx caber would be great (liquid is too unstable).

I'd probably want to run lithium orotate or tianeptine on this cycle!!!!
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Or smoke raw opium, LOL!
 
That's some damn cycle haha. I've never actually done trest and I don't think I can get it anywhere from my people.
 
So i got tbol,tren, test, caber , but no arimidex. I got instead two Clomid. Anyways I'll get it this week. Is it too risky to start with tren without arimidex for just a few days? I'm running test quite low but since I've never ran tren without an ai I don't know what to expect. I'm not very prone to gyno.
 
Chados said:
So i got tbol,tren, test, caber , but no arimidex. I got instead two Clomid. Anyways I'll get it this week. Is it too risky to start with tren without arimidex for just a few days? I'm running test quite low but since I've never ran tren without an ai I don't know what to expect. I'm not very prone to gyno.
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No problem if you get adex in a week.
 
I'm not saying you're wrong here but this study is said to be with mice that got 50 times the normal dose. I hadn't read it before but I've heard about it
 
Chados said:
I'm not saying you're wrong here but this study is said to be with mice that got 50 times the normal dose. I hadn't read it before but I've heard about it
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To proof this study wrong, you have to put your liver on the line... :)

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Besides...too many ingredients = sh1tty soup. IMHO.

I keep my cycles simple, after quitting a lot of the "advanced cycles" early due to unforeseen sides.
 
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