Summing up knowledge for a safe first cycle (expecially ancillaries protocol)

[SolidSnake90]

Hello to all the community!
I am 24 years old male and after 6 years of consistent training with good but not exceptional results, I am really Being attracted by steroids. I am a really cautios person though, so I am trying to get educated gathering all the knowledge from the web.
First thing I am sure I will watt 25/26 years to lessen the risks of permanent damages to the hpta due to it possibly not being fully developed till that ave;

Well my first hypothetical cycle would be a very basic: 10 weeks of test e 500 mg
a week pinning 250 on monday and 250 on thursday.

My doubts are about ancillaries and pct dosages timing:

AI:
Arimidex 0.25mg EOD (max 0.5 if needed) or
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Which one is best recommended?
Do I start the day after first test injection or the same day?

Hcg to keep nuts size in order: is it needed with 500mg test e for 10 weeks?

If yes, or at least recommended, what about 500i.u Every week, starting from the first, ending on week 10 with last test shot or until 3/4 days before starting pct? Also how do i split the shots? 2 shots of 250 IU Evert week?

PCT:
Start: week 12 exactly 14 days after last test shot.

Clomid 50ed for 4 weeks (50/50/50/50)
Nolvadex ed 40/40/20/20

Maybe is best run less nolvadex (20/20/10/10) and maybe I don't need clomid? (Some suggests nolva alone it's enough but from my little knowledge they act differently so I need both of them)

Thank you! sorry for all the questions and for my English!
Cheers!

 

[CatSnake]

Hello to all the community!
I am 24 years old male and after 6 years of consistent training with good but not exceptional results, I am really Being attracted by steroids. I am a really cautios person though, so I am trying to get educated gathering all the knowledge from the web.
First thing I am sure I will watt 25/26 years to lessen the risks of permanent damages to the hpta due to it possibly not being fully developed till that ave;

Well my first hypothetical cycle would be a very basic: 10 weeks of test e 500 mg
a week pinning 250 on monday and 250 on thursday.

My doubts are about ancillaries and pct dosages timing:

AI:
Arimidex 0.25mg EOD (max 0.5 if needed) or
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Which one is best recommended?
Do I start the day after first test injection or the same day?

Hcg to keep nuts size in order: is it needed with 500mg test e for 10 weeks?

If yes, or at least recommended, what about 500i.u Every week, starting from the first, ending on week 10 with last test shot or until 3/4 days before starting pct? Also how do i split the shots? 2 shots of 250 IU Evert week?

PCT:
Start: week 12 exactly 14 days after last test shot.

Clomid 50ed for 4 weeks (50/50/50/50)
Nolvadex ed 40/40/20/20

Maybe is best run less nolvadex (20/20/10/10) and maybe I don't need clomid? (Some suggests nolva alone it's enough but from my little knowledge they act differently so I need both of them)

Thank you! sorry for all the questions and for my English!
Cheers!

your AI dose can vary quite a bit.... pre-cycle bloodwork can give you an indication, as can your HCG dose. it's easier to start low and adjust up.

I'd run the HCG for the 2 weeks after the cycle while you're waiting to start PCT, as well as the length of the cycle.

for PCT, I'd suggest clomid at 25 mg/day for 6-8 weeks.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/288103-info-serms.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/288969-info-ais.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/297449-info-hcg.html#post5870442

 

[SolidSnake90]

your AI dose can vary quite a bit.... pre-cycle bloodwork can give you an indication, as can your HCG dose. it's easier to start low and adjust up.

I'd run the HCG for the 2 weeks after the cycle while you're waiting to start PCT, as well as the length of the cycle.

for PCT, I'd suggest clomid at 25 mg/day for 6-8 weeks.

Hi thank you for your answers! So about hcg you would suggest to use it week
1/12?

For hcg dosage and ai dosages I have some bloodwork results I did some months ago: which values should I look?

 

[CatSnake]

Hi thank you for your answers! So about hcg you would suggest to use it week
1/12?

For hcg dosage and ai dosages I have some bloodwork results I did some months ago: which values should I look?

yup, 1-12.

I'd look at your estradiol levels and see where they're at. also, higher bodyfat can increase aromatization, as can high alcohol intake..

 

[SolidSnake90]

yup, 1-12.

I'd look at your estradiol levels and see where they're at. also, higher bodyfat can increase aromatization, as can high alcohol intake..

Thank you again! So I literally drink 0 alcohol, because I really don't like the taste! I have 2 bloodwork results:

August 2015 estradiol 16 pg/ml
April 2017 estradiol 31 pg/ml


My current bodyfat is around 12/13% but I think I can go lower next year.

P.S: The estradiol "good range" written on the paper says 0/51.1 pg/ml so it should be ok but how does my values apply to ai and hcg dosages?

 

[SolidSnake90]

Also I'm reading your links about Serms: I see evidences for running clomid 25 for 6 weeks, but why did you left nolvadex out of the equation? I add now that if I will choose to cycle I will be off after pct for a long time (it's difficult because we are never satisfied with results but maybe I could even just do one cycle if I'm happy with gains! So maybe this could change your idea to leave nolvadex out!)

 

[CatSnake]

Also I'm reading your links about Serms: I see evidences for running clomid 25 for 6 weeks, but why did you left nolvadex out of the equation? I add now that if I will choose to cycle I will be off after pct for a long time (it's difficult because we are never satisfied with results but maybe I could even just do one cycle if I'm happy with gains! So maybe this could change your idea to leave nolvadex out!)

you could run nolva for 6 weeks if you want.... I just think Clomid is stronger. it affects the HPTA differently than the other SERMs.

I do not run more than one SERM at a time, as I don't see the need (seriously, clomid can double your testosterone levels, what else do we need? ), and a rapid spike in testosterone in LH and testosterone that one could get from multiple SERMs would like increase E2 more than a more gradual or predictable rise.

in all honestly, I doubt you can go wrong with clomid, nolva or tore.... just pay attention to doses, as more is not always better and can actually cause a lot more side effects.

 

[CatSnake]

Thank you again! So I literally drink 0 alcohol, because I really don't like the taste! I have 2 bloodwork results:

August 2015 estradiol 16 pg/ml
April 2017 estradiol 31 pg/ml


My current bodyfat is around 12/13% but I think I can go lower next year.

P.S: The estradiol "good range" written on the paper says 0/51.1 pg/ml so it should be ok but how does my values apply to ai and hcg dosages?

with your E2, I guess I would start at .25 or .5 mg on the days you take your shots. just be aware of the side effects of high estrogen...

 

[SolidSnake90]

with your E2, I guess I would start at .25 or .5 mg on the days you take your shots. just be aware of the side effects of high estrogen...

Thank you again for sharing your knowledge! If I will decide to start I will come again here in this topic! Just one last question:

Arimidex vs aromasin. I know the difference between mechanism of action; which is best in your opinion?
I think I would go with aromasin?