6-KP The Next Big Thing

[EricMM]

It's not a classic "prohormone" it's an island that doesn't bind to any of the hormone receptors with any strength. NO PCT

 

[210LBS]

It's not a classic "prohormone" it's an island that doesn't bind to any of the hormone receptors with any strength. NO PCT

Basically I see 2 options on how to run it:

1: 4 bottles @ 150mgs for 80 days.
2: 5 bottles @ 200mgs for 75 days.

Which do you recommend?

 

[EricMM]

Basically I see 2 options on how to run it:

1: 4 bottles @ 150mgs for 80 days.
2: 5 bottles @ 200mgs for 75 days.

Which do you recommend?

Option 2 always. lol Still i am good on 150mg. Log it! Weight, pics, measurements.

 

[210LBS]

Option 2 always. lol Still i am good on 150mg. Log it! Weight, pics, measurements.

Haha yeah I figured. I'll probably go with option 2. It's weird that no one else has this product. It looks like AMS is maybe discontinuing it and LG used to have it but no longer does.

 

[EricMM]

LG only had it for AU.

AMS had it but I am trying to beg the Liquid Labs guys to make some for everyone. Even for personal use. lol I love the stuff!

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Where is The_Old_Guy when I need him?

Sticking a syringe in my a$$ Sorry man, lost interest in PHs since going on TRT. I still may do some 1-Andro tho - what more do you need with the anecdotal plus university study on it? Like you, I looked up 6-Keto and didn't find much - you'd think it would be everywhere if it was that good? Progestin based like Deca and Tren - but LEGAL, so it ain't Deca or Tren like IMO, but who knows. You're a skeptic - let us know after you run it :thumbsup:

 

[210LBS]

Sticking a syringe in my a$$ Sorry man, lost interest in PHs since going on TRT. I still may do some 1-Andro tho - what more do you need with the anecdotal plus university study on it? Like you, I looked up 6-Keto and didn't find much - you'd think it would be everywhere if it was that good? Progestin based like Deca and Tren - but LEGAL, so it ain't Deca or Tren like IMO, but who knows. You're a skeptic - let us know after you run it :thumbsup:

Haha thanks for chiming in. What also concerns me though is whether or not there are any sides and shutdown/suppression. According the OP here there is none and no need for PCT. That's pretty much the reason why I am considering running this.

 

[nasrenegade]

That's how the supplement industry has worked for years. That's why it's best to not jump aboard anything unless the science is there to back it.

FTFY

 

[210LBS]

It's not that I don't believe you OP, but I wanted to make 100% sure that PCT is not required and I don't have to worry about suppression and other sides (I take my healthy seriously), so I did reach out to AMS, but I still haven't heard back from them.

 

[EricMM]

It's not that I don't believe you OP, but I wanted to make 100% sure that PCT is not required and I don't have to worry about suppression and other sides (I take my healthy seriously), so I did reach out to AMS, but I still haven't heard back from them.

NO PCT. I stake my reputation on it! Of course boosting testosterone is always a good idea if you feel like you are low!

6-KP
No Androgenic
No Estrogenic
No Progestational

 

[210LBS]

NO PCT. I stake my reputation on it! Of course boosting testosterone is always a good idea if you feel like you are low!

6-KP
No Androgenic
No Estrogenic
No Progestational

I feel fine testosterone wise. I'm going to probably order about 6 bottles of this stuff and run it at 200mgs for 90 days. I just freak out about the sides but I'm looking forward to trying it and reporting results to the community here.

 

[210LBS]

Well I have 6 bottles of this stuff coming in the mail so it should make for a lengthy high dose cycle. I am excited because there is so little info and reviews on this. I am also dispirited because there is so little info and reviews on this.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Well I have 6 bottles of this stuff coming in the mail so it should make for a lengthy high dose cycle. I am excited because there is so little info and reviews on this. I am also dispirited because there is so little info and reviews on this.

You doing blood work? The cheapo $35 test should be fine - pre and post. But the "Ketos" like 7 and 11 aren't that strong, so meh, probably fine.

 

[210LBS]

You doing blood work? The cheapo $35 test should be fine - pre and post. But the "Ketos" like 7 and 11 aren't that strong, so meh, probably fine.

I wasn't planning on it. Eric claims no PCT is needed so I shouldn't need blood work, although maybe I should just in case. Supposedly it's not androgenic or estrogenic. That's one of the reasons I was interested in it. Just wish there were some reviews out there.

 

[rowz4broz]

I wasn't planning on it. Eric claims no PCT is needed so I shouldn't need blood work, although maybe I should just in case. Supposedly it's not androgenic or estrogenic. That's one of the reasons I was interested in it. Just wish there were some reviews out there.

I received an infraction for my last post for trolling. Which albeit I was a little bit, so with this post I will post only facts.

Please realize Eric has also said:

He lost 15 pounds in ten days with "little to no exercise" and drinking a lot of tea
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/297619-most-important-thing.html

Noobs and children under 21 should take prohormones
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/296825-dont-afraid-prohormones.html

That his OTC product is stronger then pharma grade serm
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/297486-tamoxifen-not-necessary.html


For the sake of your general health and well being I would run bloods pre and post and then YOU make the judgement if you need PCT and dont take someone else's word especially when bold claims of this matter are being made.

 

[EricMM]

Absolutely run bloodwork. I can't imagine that you'd experience shutdown and like I say I am not a doctor and I don't provide medical advice. I just look at the compound and the data behind it.

As for your statements. I stand by those. Tea is great and helped me lose a ton of weight. I still stick with that.

No, I don't think legal prohormones will hurt anyone over 21. In the 80's and 90's and until 2005 there was NO SUCH THING AS PCT. Shutdown is potentially healthy since there are a few studies showing it prolongs testicular life.

I am not a big fan of Tamoxifen, get over it. It has it's uses but to suggest that EVERYONE take it is not what I am about.

 

[210LBS]

Absolutely run bloodwork. I can't imagine that you'd experience shutdown and like I say I am not a doctor and I don't provide medical advice. I just look at the compound and the data behind it.

That's a little bit of a different tone compared to what you just told me before that you stake your reputation on it not needing PCT.

I appreciate the looking out! If I run PCT after I will need to pick up some clomid before running this. I can barely find anything on this, but what I can find almost checks out with what Eric is saying It seems to be purely anabolic doesn't convert into anything and active in its own.

 

[EricMM]

I've been wrong before but in this case I don't think so! I appreciate the faith in me brother. I can't find my original research on it, but I will look. Seems very very unlikely that we would see any shutdown. I don't think Laxogenin shuts you down either!

 

[EricMM]

Guys this is a forum and we are here to discuss and share ideas and challenge each other. Why is everyone so afraid to look at the conventional wisdom?

Black Tea lowers cortisol, I believe that I have a very high cortisol activity level do to many factors. It would make sense that tea could have this kind of an effect. Chronic water weight is weight.

 

[210LBS]

Guys this is a forum and we are here to discuss and share ideas and challenge each other. Why is everyone so afraid to look at the conventional wisdom?

Black Tea lowers cortisol, I believe that I have a very high cortisol activity level do to many factors. It would make sense that tea could have this kind of an effect. Chronic water weight is weight.

I don't care about tea. Tea is not going to make my balls shrivel up into M&Ms. Arguing about tea and vitamins is a lot different than arguing about PHs and steroids.

 

[EricMM]

Tamoxifen is estrogenic in some tissues. Tamoxifen dosed improperly can close growth plates. Tamoxifen lowers IGF-1 levels which when taken improperly can inhibit growth.

Tamoxifen is great for gynocomastia and I stick by that!

 

[210LBS]

Tamoxifen is estrogenic in some tissues. Tamoxifen dosed improperly can close growth plates. Tamoxifen lowers IGF-1 levels which when taken improperly can inhibit growth.

Tamoxifen is great for gynocomastia and I stick by that!

Do people even use tamoxifen for PHs? Seems like most people stick with clomid now and only run tamoxifen alongside clomid for the harsher stuff. I do not plan on picking up any tamoxifen for this.

 

[210LBS]

If I can I will try to run the blood test a the saliva test at the same time to see how accurate it is. From what I've read it is supposed to be very accurate, which is useful in my state where you can't get bloods done whenever you want.

 

[jameschoi]

Guys this is a forum and we are here to discuss and share ideas and challenge each other. Why is everyone so afraid to look at the conventional wisdom?

Black Tea lowers cortisol, I believe that I have a very high cortisol activity level do to many factors. It would make sense that tea could have this kind of an effect. Chronic water weight is weight.

What supps do you take prior to a lifting session.

 

[rowz4broz]

Guys this is a forum and we are here to discuss and share ideas and challenge each other. Why is everyone so afraid to look at the conventional wisdom?

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Listen man I am ALL FOR THIS. I love learning new things especially when it comes to fitness, which is my true passion. BUT and I mean a HUGEEEE BUT

I can not get behind teens/children/young adults running hormonal compounds. At this point testosterone is SURGING through their bodies and the negatives of potentially altering the HPTA outweigh the benefits of running PH/AAS/DS/SARM/Whatever the **** will come out next.

yes there is some research relating to your comment about tamo. But I dont see how OTC products could better restart HPTA then pharma serm? ? ? and I think the sides from Tamo are not as bad as being on TRT for the rest of your life at the age of <25 due to not running a proper PCT after a cycle and causing permanent shutdown. Which I know you dont believe in, but for the most part is an accepted "thing" (for lack of better words) in the bb/fitness community.

I dont want you to think that I have anything against you, just the claims you make could really have an impact on someones life and that does bother me.

 

[VaughnTrue]

Listen man I am ALL FOR THIS. I love learning new things especially when it comes to fitness, which is my true passion. BUT and I mean a HUGEEEE BUT

I can not get behind teens/children/young adults running hormonal compounds. At this point testosterone is SURGING through their bodies and the negatives of potentially altering the HPTA outweigh the benefits of running PH/AAS/DS/SARM/Whatever the **** will come out next.

yes there is some research relating to your comment about tamo. But I dont see how OTC products could better restart HPTA then pharma serm? ? ? and I think the sides from Tamo are not as bad as being on TRT for the rest of your life at the age of <25 due to not running a proper PCT after a cycle and causing permanent shutdown. Which I know you dont believe in, but for the most part is an accepted "thing" (for lack of better words) in the bb/fitness community.

I dont want you to think that I have anything against you, just the claims you make could really have an impact on someones life and that does bother me.

if you're over 21 and a "noob", I don't see any issues running prohormones or testosterone enhancing products. I didn't click each link you provided from Eric but don't think he'd be off base if that's what he was claiming.

I'm excited to try this new product out

 

[rowz4broz]

if you're over 21 and a "noob", I don't see any issues running prohormones or testosterone enhancing products. I didn't click each link you provided from Eric but don't think he'd be off base if that's what he was claiming.

I'm excited to try this new product out

well I am going to correct myself... the article says OVER 21 and not UNDER... I thought it said under so my apologies on that.

however then my point to this would be, noob implies two things

new to working out
new to hormonal products

both of these two types of people I would still not recommend hormonal products, would you?

 

[VaughnTrue]

well I am going to correct myself... the article says OVER 21 and not UNDER... I thought it said under so my apologies on that.

however then my point to this would be, noob implies two things

new to working out
new to hormonal products

both of these two types of people I would still not recommend hormonal products, would you?

new to working out, no. they can make plenty of "noob gains" right off the bat.

new to hormonal products...yes. You have to start somewhere right?

 

[Wildcat528]

"Noob" gains are pretty awesome and people should ride them as long as they can. Then perhaps down the line when they plateau for a moderate amount of time can incorporate some products. IMO at least

 

[VaughnTrue]

"Noob" gains are pretty awesome and people should ride them as long as they can. Then perhaps down the line when they plateau for a moderate amount of time can incorporate some products. IMO at least

lets think worst case scenario here. Even IF someone were to suggest a prohormone to someone who is new to lifting...is there any more danger for that person? no. The only "downside" is they'd miss out on their natural gains, and instead get some ridiculous beginner prohormone gains. They'd be "wasting" some of their natural gains without a doubt here, but it's no more dangerous than anyone else using a product which is what I'm pretty sure Eric was hinting at

 

[rowz4broz]

new to working out, no. they can make plenty of "noob gains" right off the bat.

new to hormonal products...yes. You have to start somewhere right?

i've never taken a hormonal product in relation to AAS/PH/DS. But I would not say I am new to them, if I were to ever go that route I would be well equipped and have everything on hand that I would need to have a successful run. In fact my buddy who has run some Tri-Bol DS, Tren, and pinned has no idea wtf he is going and has not run pct until his last cycle.

So while he has done much more then me I would still consider him the "noob" to hormonal products.

I guess this is subjective in the sense of noob to the knowledge of running these compounds or noob as in never ran a cycle

 

[Wildcat528]

lets think worst case scenario here. Even IF someone were to suggest a prohormone to someone who is new to lifting...is there any more danger for that person? no. The only "downside" is they'd miss out on their natural gains, and instead get some ridiculous beginner prohormone gains. They'd be "wasting" some of their natural gains without a doubt here, but it's no more dangerous than anyone else using a product which is what I'm pretty sure Eric was hinting at

I completely agree regarding the safety aspect of them. I'm just saying I don't think it would be wise for someone to use PH out of the gate in terms of overall gains and progress. It would likely leave them in an inferior physical condition in terms of optimizing your physique. I wish I could get the noob gains back. But in terms of safety I believe we certainly agree! Always good to have these types of discussions though.

 

[210LBS]

i've never taken a hormonal product in relation to AAS/PH/DS. But I would not say I am new to them, if I were to ever go that route I would be well equipped and have everything on hand that I would need to have a successful run. In fact my buddy who has run some Tri-Bol DS, Tren, and pinned has no idea wtf he is going and has not run pct until his last cycle.

So while he has done much more then me I would still consider him the "noob" to hormonal products.

I guess this is subjective in the sense of noob to the knowledge of running these compounds or noob as in never ran a cycle

Seems like the days of old PHs and DSs are behind us. I still remember some of the gains people made off of stuff like M1T - insane. With it came harsh sides though. From what I see, everything looks to be so much milder in terms of both gains and sides today.

 

[VaughnTrue]

Seems like the days of old PHs and DSs are behind us. I still remember some of the gains people made off of stuff like M1T - insane. With it came harsh sides though. From what I see, everything looks to be so much milder in terms of both gains and sides today.

M1T is basically rat poison that has a side effect of intense muscle growth haha

 

[rowz4broz]

Seems like the days of old PHs and DSs are behind us. I still remember some of the gains people made off of stuff like M1T - insane. With it came harsh sides though. From what I see, everything looks to be so much milder in terms of both gains and sides today.

correct me if im wrong but in the states yes its hard-impossible to find these products. But a board sponsor of ours still has products like this (i think... maybe i am a noob LOL)

http://www.predatornutrition.com/hardcore/prohormones

pretty sure you can ship these to the states too.

edit - i could potentially be completely wrong, so go easy on me w/ this one

 

[EricMM]

I never said teens and children. I clearly said new people over 21. I don't understand how things get taken out of context like that.

 

[210LBS]

correct me if im wrong but in the states yes its hard-impossible to find these products. But a board sponsor of ours still has products like this (i think... maybe i am a noob LOL)

http://www.predatornutrition.com/hardcore/prohormones

pretty sure you can ship these to the states too.

Yes, you can get them shipped into the USA, however I imagine it is illegal to do so. Some of those methylated PHs were nasty. When frat boys are popping M1T before funneling a 6 pack of beer, you know it's not going to last over here.

 

[VaughnTrue]

I never said teens and children. I clearly said new people over 21. I don't understand how things get taken out of context like that.

Hi,

Welcome to the forums!

Please be ready for intense miscommunication, arguments that are based on non-factual information, and name calling.

 

[rowz4broz]

I never said teens and children. I clearly said new people over 21. I don't understand how things get taken out of context like that.

well I am going to correct myself... the article says OVER 21 and not UNDER... I thought it said under so my apologies on that.

Hi,

I am human!

I will make mistakes and misread things, but as you can see I apologized for the mistake I made.

 

[VaughnTrue]

Hi,

I am human!

I will make mistakes and misread things, but as you can see I apologized for the mistake I made.

LOL I was just ****ing with you man.

The forums have been INTENSE lately...I'm just trying to lighten it up a bit. No harm no foul.

 

[EricMM]

Hi,

I am human!

I will make mistakes and misread things, but as you can see I apologized for the mistake I made.

Thanks man. That means a lot to me. We are a family on here and whether we always agree or not we have a mission to educate and help others to make intelligent choices on meeting their goals. So many people suffer due to poor body image and I think we are doing the Lords work in what we do!

 

[210LBS]

Thanks man. That means a lot to me. We are a family on here and whether we always agree or not we have a mission to educate and help others to make intelligent choices on meeting their goals. So many people suffer due to poor body image and I think we are doing the Lords work in what we do!

We're doing the lord's work? Check out the ego on this guy.... ;-)

 

[De__eB]

Controversial opinion of the day: With proper supervision and monitoring, there is nothing wrong with people under 21 taking a mild hormonal cycle and in fact possible years long benefits to that mild use use.

Disclaimer: This isn't actually a recommendation for any <21 individual to go out and take steroids.

 

[VaughnTrue]

Controversial opinion of the day: With proper supervision and monitoring, there is nothing wrong with people under 21 taking a mild hormonal cycle and in fact possible years long benefits to that mild use use.

Disclaimer: This isn't actually a recommendation for any <21 individual to go out and take steroids.

I'd be crucified for saying something similar to this on here lol

 

[210LBS]

Controversial opinion of the day: With proper supervision and monitoring, there is nothing wrong with people under 21 taking a mild hormonal cycle and in fact possible years long benefits to that mild use use.

Disclaimer: This isn't actually a recommendation for any <21 individual to go out and take steroids.

Oh boy... this thread is just about to blow up.

 

[EricMM]

Oh boy... this thread is just about to blow up.

It's a complicated question. A dry prohormone should in theory have benefits but most people don't know the difference and thus it's best to err on the side of caution.

Wet Hormones:
4-DHEA
5-DHEA

Dry Hormones:
6-KP
1-DHEA
EpiAndrosterone

Best to not touch the stuff as a default for people under 21. I've seen too many people taking the wrong thing to think otherwise.

 

[210LBS]

It's a complicated question. A dry prohormone should in theory have benefits but most people don't know the difference and thus it's best to err on the side of caution.

Wet Hormones:
4-DHEA
5-DHEA

Dry Hormones:
6-KP
1-DHEA
EpiAndrosterone

Best to not touch the stuff as a default for people under 21. I've seen too many people taking the wrong thing to think otherwise.

I'll be honest, I have never heard such a thing before. However, most people on here probably know more about this stuff than I do. But when you take sides into consideration, whether it be hair loss, high blood pressure, nut shrinkage, etc. it's going to be a hard sale to say it has health benefits.

 

[Wildcat528]

If I were a betting man I'd say there isn't a single endocrinologist out there who would say it's fine for people under 21 to take prohormones and AAS. Could certainly be wrong though lol

 

[VaughnTrue]

I'll be honest, I have never heard such a thing before. However, most people on here probably know more about this stuff than I do. But when you take sides into consideration, whether it be hair loss, high blood pressure, nut shrinkage, etc. it's going to be a hard sale to say it has health benefits.

there are ABSOLUTELY health benefits to anabolics. Some moreso than others, but don't forget...anabolic steroids are prescription medications.

 

[VaughnTrue]

If I were a betting man I'd say there isn't a single endocrinologist out there who would say it's fine for people under 21 to take prohormones and AAS. Could certainly be wrong though lol

you also wouldn't find a single endocrinologist out there saying people over 21 should be using anabolics either.