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Need help with Non-Methylated DS/PH choice

Phildago55

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Hey guys. I'm looking to recomp/cut and need a bit of help choosing an anabolic.

I've been looking around to see what the best choice would be and I've narrowed it down to a tren PH or hexadrone. Im definitely looking for something that is Non-Methylated because I recently had a bad run in with rad and don't want to rehash any liver issues.

Are there any other Non-Methylated products out there that are any good?

Is hexadrone okay to run stand alone?

Stats: 6'3, 230 lb, 18-20% bf
 
Go with Trenavar mate, 100-120mg you'll get great strength gains and vascularity plus the nutrient partitioning is amazing you can stuff your face and it'll mostly all go to building muscle.
 
Is 11-kt strong enough though?
My testosterone level is total 613- free 23. I'm afraid that I'm going to be making a trade off in natural production and not get enough out of a prohormone. That's why I was thinking I could get more out of a hexadrone cycle
 
Phildago55 said:
Is 11-kt strong enough though?
My testosterone level is total 613- free 23. I'm afraid that I'm going to be making a trade off in natural production and not get enough out of a prohormone. That's why I was thinking I could get more out of a hexadrone cycle
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If you’re concerned about messing your hormones up, then dont touch anything. Hexadrone, rad, osta, 1andro, etc are all suppressive and will put you at the risk of ****ing ur hormones up man. Cutting on anabolics is kind of a waste imo anyways; they’re called anabolic for a reason lol.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
If you’re concerned about messing your hormones up, then dont touch anything. Hexadrone, rad, osta, 1andro, etc are all suppressive and will put you at the risk of ****ing ur hormones up man. Cutting on anabolics is kind of a waste imo anyways; they’re called anabolic for a reason lol.
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I'm not as concerned about messing it up as I am about the trade off. I have a good pct and have ran cycles before. I completely understand that I will be supressed, but I know my body can recover. What I'm concerned about is the on cycle balance between the two and possibly not getting much benefit. If im going to take the leap, I want to get the most out of it.
 
Phildago55 said:
I'm not as concerned about messing it up as I am about the trade off. I have a good pct and have ran cycles before. I completely understand that I will be supressed, but I know my body can recover. What I'm concerned about is the on cycle balance between the two and possibly not getting much benefit. If im going to take the leap, I want to get the most out of it.
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Ahh, my bad. Neither hexadrone or 11-kt will provide dramatic results by themselves imo. Hexadrone doesn’t seem to do a whole lot tbh. 11-kt I’ve heard is great for stacking for its ability to help burn fat, but I’d maybe consider stacking it with something if you want more results. What was it that rad did to your liver? I thought rad wasn’t harsh on the liver whatsoever. If you want to do a lean mass/cutting stack that is worth-while, with minimal toxicity, maybe consider something like 1andro, epiandro and 11-kt.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
Ahh, my bad. Neither hexadrone or 11-kt will provide dramatic results by themselves imo. Hexadrone doesn’t seem to do a whole lot tbh. 11-kt I’ve heard is great for stacking for its ability to help burn fat, but I’d maybe consider stacking it with something if you want more results. What was it that rad did to your liver? I thought rad wasn’t harsh on the liver whatsoever. If you want to do a lean mass/cutting stack that is worth-while, with minimal toxicity, maybe consider something like 1andro, epiandro and 11-kt.
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Thanks for the advise. I'll look into some logs and see what worked best for people. You think teansdermal 11-kt is the way to go?

Rad 140 is super harsh on the liver. I made the mistake of long cycle at a high dose, and my liver values were through the roof. ALT 480, AST 260. Rad should be treated thw same as running a methylated compound.
 
Phildago55 said:
Thanks for the advise. I'll look into some logs and see what worked best for people. You think teansdermal 11-kt is the way to go?

Rad 140 is super harsh on the liver. I made the mistake of long cycle at a high dose, and my liver values were through the roof. ALT 480, AST 260. Rad should be treated thw same as running a methylated compound.
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Transdermal seems to be the way to go
 
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