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thebigt said:
I think they set up triage there in hooters....
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That link doesnt have the whole article. On infowars you hit that blue link that names the original source and you have the whole article.
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My first reaction was triad as well....but also according to witness a man dress in "swat" entered the back of the building and they heard shots from hooters and people were running away from there. Of course, swat could have set up shop there to fire and the mandala bay. Then there are claims of shots being fired from behind the fence and people were being hit by them. Being I didnt follow the story when this happened, how did that correlate with the official story released to the public. Of course, we cant confirm every witness posted on the internet is saying the truth or was even there but there is video posted here correlating these events. Invalid Link Removed
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This is too much of a mess for my tastebuds right now, lol. Im going to wait it out and have things cleaned up and information better organized. If a well organized independent non-government backed professional group like the one created for 9/11 such as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth come out for this Vegas event consisting of scientists and other professionals, Id be more comfortable reading a well organized analysis but that would be far down the road.
 
thebigt said:
I think they set up triage there in hooters....
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I wonder if there are any suspicious insider trading stocks sold prior to the MGM shooting? Id make that a part of my investigation as well.
 
ax1 said:
Different people simply have different views of what is progression and regression.

So one's idea of progression may be another's view of regression. Modern day liberal's ideas of progress is my idea of alot of vomit and brown stains in my pants.

I dont think its for you to judge the way of life of indigenous tribes, its their choosing and your "progression" may be their "regression." They are quite happy with how they are clinging to their values and cultures, there is nothing wrong with that as long as they leave you alone as to your way of life.
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So you don’t think that there is a way that works and reality is subjective?

Glycomann said:
I think you easily dismiss the anthropological history of mankind in general. Your idea seem post modernist.
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How is what I said at all nihilistic(if that is what you mean by post modernist)? I speak about progressing out of post modernism to hyper modernism to meta modernism.
 
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Speaking of Russian collusion, it seems an attorney for Clinton and DNC payed for the Fusion GPS fake Trump dossier.

Also, Comey, Holder, Rod Rosenstein, the guy leading the Trump/Russia investigstion, knew about the Russian plot to gain the uranium before the Uranium 1 deal was approved. This is going to be good
 
CJNator said:
So you don’t think that there is a way that works and reality is subjective?
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What would work best is primarily leaving people free to run their lives as they wish. People will naturally evolve and advance in society, and people naturally can either move forward and advance with them, somewhat with them but their own or stay behind which in their views is being ahead as they may view other’s advances as regressions, that doesnt mean they wont carve out their own unique advancements either.

What works is when the individuals has their barriers removed to reach their true potential and at the same time doesnt build barriers on others.

Does that make sense? Just my opinion of course.

Think of the iPhone....we have advances but look at the negativeness that these wonderful technologies have created and the potential for disastrous mental health along with futuristic police state abilities. Some people may opt out of some of these advances and it may benefit them greatly in various ways.
 
ax1 said:
What would work best is primarily leaving people free to run their lives as they wish. People will naturally evolve and advance in society, and people naturally can either move forward and advance with them, somewhat with them but their own or stay behind which in their views is being ahead as they may view other’s advances as regressions, that doesnt mean they wont carve out their own unique advancements either.

What works is when the individuals has their barriers removed to reach their true potential and at the same time doesnt build barriers on others.

Does that make sense? Just my opinion of course.

Think of the iPhone....we have advances but look at the negativeness that these wonderful technologies have created and the potential for disastrous mental health along with futuristic police state abilities. Some people may opt out of some of these advances and it may benefit them greatly in various ways.
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But you understand this comes with losers and winners with the natural order of things? Many may say without Europe colonizing the world we would all have never have the luxuries many love and the culture too. Culture is the basis of a society and how it prospers. Plus the iPhone is a product of a materialistic society, that what the people want so that’s what they get.
 
CJNator said:
But you understand this comes with losers and winners with the natural order of things? Many may say without Europe colonizing the world we would all have never have the luxuries many love and the culture too. Culture is the basis of a society and how it prospers. Plus the iPhone is a product of a materialistic society, that what the people want so that’s what they get.
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The iPhone wasn't created to fulfill a need in society of what people wanted. It was created and Apple told people that they needed it. And the people believed them.
 
CJNator said:
But you understand this comes with losers and winners with the natural order of things? Many may say without Europe colonizing the world we would all have never have the luxuries many love and the culture too. Culture is the basis of a society and how it prospers. Plus the iPhone is a product of a materialistic society, that what the people want so that’s what they get.
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Winning and losing is natural. Its a part of our reality. What is this "natural order" you keep talking about?

We can go on and on about what if and if not Europe did this or not, but maybe we could have been far more advanced. There have been advanced civilizations in the past that were non-european.

Yes there is culture, alot of them but your not making sense what you mean by how it prospers. What does culture have to do with prospering? Every culture has people that are successful and people that are not. Every culture has periods of prosperity and periods of decline. Governments get in the way, they create or destroy things. Its endless.

What is the meaning of your iphone comment?

I dunno you say things so often than are like either over generalized and go nowhere. Its almost as if they are artificial thoughts like your clipping ideas from somewhere and not speaking from the heart.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
The iPhone wasn't created to fulfill a need in society of what people wanted. It was created and Apple told people that they needed it. And the people believed them.
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Yea you have a point there, the market controls the people in reality. Never thought of that.
 
ax1 said:
Winning and losing is natural. Its a part of our reality. What is this "natural order" you keep talking about?

We can go on and on about what if and if not Europe did this or not, but maybe we could have been far more advanced. There have been advanced civilizations in the past that were non-european.

Yes there is culture, alot of them but your not making sense what you mean by how it prospers. What does culture have to do with prospering? Every culture has people that are successful and people that are not. Every culture has periods of prosperity and periods of decline. Governments get in the way, they create or destroy things. Its endless.

What is the meaning of your iphone comment?

I dunno you say things so often than are like either over generalized and go nowhere. Its almost as if they are artificial thoughts like your clipping ideas from somewhere and not speaking from the heart.
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Government is the tool of man and is at the will of man. Create or destroy, it is societies actions or lack of that dictates government.

Also my stand on the iPhone was corrected.

What societies were more advanced than the Europeans?

By prosper I mean by definition, which would be and I quote “succeed in material terms; be financially successful” and “flourish physically; grow strong and healthy.” There are no different cultures just different traditions, there are many aspects of culture and prosperity is a part of it. If a tribe isn’t growing materially, land wise, or intellectually then it’s not cultured.

I generalize because I look at the bigger picture of things, nothing can get done if we pick every single thing apart and microscopically analyze issues within issues within issues.
 
CJNator said:
But you understand this comes with losers and winners with the natural order of things? Many may say without Europe colonizing the world we would all have never have the luxuries many love and the culture too. Culture is the basis of a society and how it prospers. Plus the iPhone is a product of a materialistic society, that what the people want so that’s what they get.
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Europe colonizing the world caused death and destruction of millions of people and practically wiped out certain cultures. Talk about loosing.
 
ax1 said:
Europe colonizing the world caused death and destruction of millions of people and practically wiped out certain cultures. Talk about loosing.
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Or talk about winning, only the strong survive. Killing for power and land is natural.
 
CJNator said:
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Government is the tool of man and is at the will of man. Create or destroy, it is societies actions or lack of that dictates government.

Also my stand on the iPhone was corrected.

What societies were more advanced than the Europeans?

By prosper I mean by definition, which would be and I quote “succeed in material terms; be financially successful” and “flourish physically; grow strong and healthy.” There are no different cultures just different traditions, there are many aspects of culture and prosperity is a part of it. If a tribe isn’t growing materially, land wise, or intellectually then it’s not cultured.

I generalize because I look at the bigger picture of things, nothing can get done if we pick every single thing apart and microscopically analyze issues within issues within issues.
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That photo doesnt work. You can try uploading it to tinypic and past a link on here.

CJNator said:
Government is the tool of man and is at the will of man. Create or destroy, it is societies actions or lack of that dictates government.
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And?

What in a case when a group of people plot to take power? Its not just societies, there are other elements involved, natural disasters, luck, foreign interventionism, etc...

CJNator said:
By prosper I mean by definition, which would be and I quote “succeed in material terms; be financially successful” and “flourish physically; grow strong and healthy.” There are no different cultures just different traditions, there are many aspects of culture and prosperity is a part of it. If a tribe isn’t growing materially, land wise, or intellectually then it’s not cultured.
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I in all honesty have no idea where your getting at here? It just doesnt make sense. Im not trying to be an azz, it just really make no sense.
 
youngandfree said:
Ask your grandfather if he's a fascist. I'd be shocked if his thoughts on fascism line up to your "enlightened" view of it.
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Id ask my Sicilian grandmother who is still alive at 97, but if she ever had a reason to outlive me she will make it happen :)

But hey, she can tell the courts it was just "natural" afterwards.
 
CJNator said:
Or talk about winning, only the strong survive. Killing for power and land is natural.
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Imagine the Europeans doing it all over again and colonizing America 1 more time and slaughtering millions of people. They cold blood slaughter your entire family, your the only survivor and you go on the internetz posting "it was just natural, but at least we have more luxuries and culture here now."

I mean really, "killing is natural"...... its just a truly distasteful statement. I dunno maybe its just me but thats just how it sounds to me.
 
ax1 said:
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And?

What in a case when a group of people plot to take power? Its not just societies, there are other elements involved, natural disasters, luck, foreign interventionism, etc...



I in all honesty have no idea where your getting at here? It just doesnt make sense. Im not trying to be an azz, it just really make no sense.
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If a government takes over the people can revolt but if they don’t then it’s their choice not to. The people truly have the power over government, it’s a matter of perception. Also luck isn’t a actual thing.

Let me retract my culture statements because I haven’t really looked into culture itself as a idea and how it impacts societies.
 
ax1 said:
Imagine the Europeans doing it all over again and colonizing America 1 more time and slaughtering millions of people. They cold blood slaughter your entire family, your the only survivor and you go on the internetz posting "it was just natural, but at least we have more luxuries and culture here now."

I mean really, "killing is natural"...... its just a truly distasteful statement. I dunno maybe its just me but thats just how it sounds to me.
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Yea it is distasteful but it’s reality and yea it would really suck but that’s why we need national unity to protect ourselves. We need to prosper and succeed so we aren’t the victims, only the victors.
 
CJNator said:
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If a government takes over the people can revolt but if they don’t then it’s their choice not to. The people truly have the power over government, it’s a matter of perception. Also luck isn’t a actual thing.

Let me retract my culture statements because I haven’t really looked into culture itself as a idea and how it impacts societies.
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Its not opening on my end.

People can revolt, sure ask the Chinese who were in Beijing in 1989. My father saw the blood and death in his local hospital. They had a choice and they found out what happens when a million+ people unit and bring eggs to a tank fight. What about the Native Americans? How did uniting and revolting work out for them? I can go on.

Of course there is luck, it depends on how you look at it and define it. Luck to me is when preparation crosses paths with opportunity.
 
CJNator said:
Yea it is distasteful but it’s reality and yea it would really suck but that’s why we need national unity to protect ourselves. We need to prosper and succeed so we aren’t the victims, only the victors.
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But then by the way of your philosophic views, having only victors would be unnatural then. I thought you were about natural order? How can you have both?
 
CJNator said:
Yea it is distasteful but it’s reality and yea it would really suck but that’s why we need national unity to protect ourselves. We need to prosper and succeed so we aren’t the victims, only the victors.
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Killing humans is THE most unnatural thing possible.
 
ax1 said:
Its not opening on my end.

People can revolt, sure ask the Chinese who were in Beijing in 1989. My father saw the blood and death in his local hospital. They had a choice and they found out what happens when a million+ people unit and bring eggs to a tank fight. What about the Native Americans? How did uniting and revolting work out for them? I can go on.

Of course there is luck, it depends on how you look at it and define it. Luck to me is when preparation crosses paths with opportunity.
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I guess luck would be a perception of things but every action does lead to a end result that can be in favor of whomever.
 
ax1 said:
So your all in support of genocide for the greater being of the future of a nation?
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I don’t think genocide should be necessary, I would never want a nation to have that mark on the world to make their own better but if all is out the door and it’s the only thing that would work then it’ll be so.
 
CJNator said:
I don’t think genocide should be necessary, I would never want a nation to have that mark on the world to make their own better but if all is out the door and it’s the only thing that would work then it’ll be so.
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CJNator said:
How? Killing for no reason is unnatural not for a reason.
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Im sorry I need a break from this, Im just like really, really disturbed right now and just dont feel right continuing this at the moment. Maybe Ill be better in 5 minutes or 5 years, but this talk has left a real sour taste in the back on my throat that I need to get rid of.
 
ax1 said:
Im sorry I need a break from this, Im just like really, really disturbed right now and just dont feel right continuing this at the moment. Maybe Ill be better in 5 minutes or 5 years, but this talk has left a real sour taste in the back on my throat that I need to get rid of.
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What? I said I don’t believe a nation should get to the point of genocide but it would be the nations choice if they believe it is needed or revolt against the tyrannical government.
 
CJNator said:
What? I said I don’t believe a nation should get to the point of genocide but it would be the nations choice if they believe it is needed or revolt against the tyrannical government.
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Maybe you know of a historical genocide where the citizenry was doing the killing to overthrow their tyrannical government, but I'm drawing a blank.
 
youngandfree said:
Maybe you know of a historical genocide where the citizenry was doing the killing to overthrow their tyrannical government, but I'm drawing a blank.
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You don’t need to be the ones doing the mass killing to be a part of it. Not doing something is equally as bad as doing something. If you’re watching someone rob someone and do nothing then you’re equally accountable for the robbing.
 
CJNator said:
You don’t need to be the ones doing the mass killing to be a part of it. Not doing something is equally as bad as doing something. If you’re watching someone rob someone and do nothing then you’re equally accountable for the robbing.
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I'm pretty sure most all genocides were initiated by those in power. The overpowered citizenry that didn't and couldn't fight back aren't and weren't complicit in the said genocide. That's about as retarded as fascism=good.
 
youngandfree said:
I'm pretty sure most all genocides were initiated by those in power. The overpowered citizenry that didn't and couldn't fight back aren't and weren't complicit in the said genocide. That's about as retarded as fascism=good.
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Dammit CJNator. You're really going to go so far off the deep end that I'm now agreeing with youngandfree? These are end times for sure!
 
CJNator said:
No I don’t think people should support killing but it’s is the nature of man that brings upon the killing of other men of other nations.
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No that's a cop out. Blaming killing on nature or some power we can't control is bull****. Killing comes from greed and laziness.
 
youngandfree said:
I'm pretty sure most all genocides were initiated by those in power. The overpowered citizenry that didn't and couldn't fight back aren't and weren't complicit in the said genocide. That's about as retarded as fascism=good.
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Why couldn’t they fight back? There are many revolutions throughout history, successful or not. The people are accountable for their government’s actions. Even the lowest of the low have risen above and beyond.

Also how is fascism bad?

Aleksandar37 said:
No that's a cop out. Blaming killing on nature or some power we can't control is bull****. Killing comes from greed and laziness.
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How can you explain this? Do you not think greed and laziness is a natural?
 
CJNator said:
Why couldn’t they fight back? There are many revolutions throughout history, successful or not. The people are accountable for their government’s actions. Even the lowest of the low have risen above and beyond.

Also how is fascism bad?


How can you explain this? Do you not think greed and laziness is a natural?
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Do you even understand what a genocide is? I guess we are back to the Jews are responsible for the Nazis murdering millions of other Jews then.
 
CJNator said:
What does that have to do with anything above? Here’s the definition.

Genocide- the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.
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You said that people that didn't stop their government from killing the citizenry is complicit in the genocide. You said why didn't they fight back? Why didn't the Jews fight back in Germany? The Jews in Germany didn't have a fighting chance did they.
 
youngandfree said:
You said that people that didn't stop their government from killing the citizenry is complicit in the genocide. You said why didn't they fight back? Why didn't the Jews fight back in Germany? The Jews in Germany didn't have a fighting chance did they.
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No, why didn’t the people fight back? Why did they revolt against their tyrannical government? They knew what was going on and did nothing. The Jews did what they could to try to survive and escape with the help of other individuals. The people should have stepped up to the place to stop their government but they didn’t.
 
CJNator said:
No, why didn’t the people fight back? Why did they revolt against their tyrannical government? They knew what was going on and did nothing. The Jews did what they could to try to survive and escape with the help of other individuals. The people should have stepped up to the place to stop their government but they didn’t.
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An unarmed populace is pretty ineffective against a military powerhouse like the Nazis.

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Revolutions happen when the revolters have the means to even attempt to accomplish their task, meaning necessary weapons and arms.
 
CJNator said:
No, why didn’t the people fight back? Why did they revolt against their tyrannical government? They knew what was going on and did nothing. The Jews did what they could to try to survive and escape with the help of other individuals. The people should have stepped up to the place to stop their government but they didn’t.
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Goebbels
 
CJNator said:
What? The Nazis had a overwhelming majority of Germany’s support. The people knew what was going on.
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Goebbels runs some nice polls doesnt he. Yeah!!!

Everybody loves Hitler?.People were openly free to speak their minds they chose to love Hitler, yeaajjhhhhh!!!

Did the average German knew Adolf Hitler false flagged and blew up the Reichstag building to blame his political opposition and solidify power and support from the Germans? I didnt think so. The rest is history.
 
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