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[thebigt]

I can absolutely agree that there are holes in the story, all I was initially saying was that it will change, as any investigation does as they try to piece it all together. I will be right behind any one who has convincing evidence of a cover up, but until that point it is dangerous to speculate

the whole point of a cover up is for the truth not to come out, if it does it isn't much of a cover up, lol....

 

[thebigt]

There is going to be much more coming out from both the investigations and independent reporting, it’s only going to turn into a bigger clusterfuq as the years go by and I don’t think anybody but a select few will ever really know what happened and why...or maybe really only 1 guy knew and he isn’t with us anymore.

or maybe the reason paddock doesn't fit the profile is that.....

fill in the blanks

 

[Jiigzz]

or maybe the reason paddock doesn't fit the profile is that.....

fill in the blanks

He's white so it must be a conspiracy....?

 

[thebigt]

He's white so it must be a conspiracy....?

how about a 64 year old millionaire with no criminal history....and no motive!!!


dang man...you really draggin the bottom of the barrel now aint ya, lol.

 

[Jiigzz]

how about a millionaire with no criminal history....and no motive!!!


dang man...you really draggin the bottom of the barrel now aint ya, lol.

You dont think maybe the govt is capable of creating a motive if it was a cover up?

 

[thebigt]

You dont think maybe the govt is capable of creating a motive if it was a cover up?

the point is I don't know...if I knew we wouldn't be having this discussion...what I do know is what you have finally admitted, there are many holes in this story-why I do not know...

 

[thebigt]

now mgm-the owner of the hotel is saying that the NEW police timeline is wrong....geez


only a complete idiot would say this doesn't raise legitimate questions-what the hell is going on here?

 

[ax1]

how about a 64 year old millionaire with no criminal history....and no motive!!!


dang man...you really draggin the bottom of the barrel now aint ya, lol.

That’s why I ask about meds, illegal drugs, alcoholism, cocktail of all etc...if act of lone participant (which I doubt) that right there needs to be known. Of course Jswain makes the point if medical privacy which I agree but I still wanna find out. Maybe through due process if found guilty he would lose his rights to privacy anyways, but after of course.

 

[ax1]

You dont think maybe the govt is capable of creating a motive if it was a cover up?

The crisis is alone is needed, not the motive for for the strategy of PRS..problem, reaction and solution. Individual motive is not needed here, crisis had been established. Reaction in public had been established. Solution being gun control and/or more federal government expansion into our local police forces, justification of illegal tracking, militarization of police, etc. Inside job or not, never let a good crisis go to waste. Motive is purely irrelevant for the most part. People are dangerous and bigger unconstitutional government will be there to protect you (not.) The setting has been set where people are motivated to beg for protection and solutions even at the expense of their own individual liberty.

 

[Aleksandar37]

That’s why I ask about meds, illegal drugs, alcoholism, cocktail of all etc...if act of lone participant (which I doubt) that right there needs to be known. Of course Jswain makes the point if medical privacy which I agree but I still wanna find out.

You're ignoring the biggest red flag though. He was a pathological gambler. Everybody is acting like he was this totally happy, normal guy who just snapped and that's not the case. Drugs and alcohol may have played a role and that will come out if it did, but gambling can also be a serious addictive issue.

 

[Jiigzz]

The crisis is alone is needed, not the motive for for the strategy of PRS..problem, reaction and solution. Individual motive is not needed here, crisis had been established. Reaction in public had been established. Solution being gun control and/or more federal government expansion into our local police forces, justification of illegal tracking, militarization of police, etc. Inside job or not, never let a good crisis go to waste. Motive is purely irrelevant for the most part. People are dangerous and bigger unconstitutional government will be there to protect you (not.) the setting has been set where people beg for protection and solutions even at the expense of liberty.

Yes I agree, we should not learn from our mistakes and instead give more guns to people. Steven had 23(?) To work with, we need at least one more gun than the bad guy to win.

We should vote to have everyone carry scoped AR 15s to combat this problem. With bump stocks and grenade launchers.

Or maybe this was a ploy to draw more attention to guns to drive sales of new guns? That's exactly what happened. Gun company stocks were in the decrease, big crisis involving guns and now they have shot up as a response.

I blame the NRA.

 

[Aleksandar37]

Yes I agree, we should not learn from our mistakes and instead give more guns to people. Steven had 23(?) To work with, we need at least one more gun than the bad guy to win.

We should vote to have everyone carry scoped AR 15s to combat this problem. With bump stocks and grenade launchers.

Or maybe this was a ploy to draw more attention to guns to drive sales of new guns? That's exactly what happened. Gun company stocks were in the decrease, big crisis involving guns and now they have shot up as a response.

I blame the NRA.

Imagine though if everybody in that crowd had a gun. They could have all shot back at the hotel and saved the day. Way more people would have died, but Freedom would have won.

 

[Jiigzz]

Imagine though if everybody in that crowd had a gun. They could have all shot back at the hotel and saved the day. Way more people would have died, but Freedom would have won.

All I can imagine is 20000 people with guns all shootimg each other because they have no idea who the real bad guy is

But I know in reality that won't happen. Everyone will know who the bad guy is, plus friendly fire won't be on

 

[ax1]

You're ignoring the biggest red flag though. He was a pathological gambler. Everybody is acting like he was this totally happy, normal guy who just snapped and that's not the case. Drugs and alcohol may have played a role and that will come out if it did, but gambling can also be a serious addictive issue.

I wouldnt ignore that, I already saying I think he may have a mental history and possibly on meds.

 

[ax1]

Yes I agree, we should not learn from our mistakes and instead give more guns to people. Steven had 23(?) To work with, we need at least one more gun than the bad guy to win.

We should vote to have everyone carry scoped AR 15s to combat this problem. With bump stocks and grenade launchers.

Or maybe this was a ploy to draw more attention to guns to drive sales of new guns? That's exactly what happened. Gun company stocks were in the decrease, big crisis involving guns and now they have shot up as a response.

I blame the NRA.

I dont even know if "Steven" was the shooter.

The NRA is completely innocent here, thats not fair. Regulating guns and grenade launchers will not solve anything. Your concluding this is an act of an individual and we dont know that yet. Why can you blame and call out to disarm the US government, after all they murdered and slaughter 1,000,000+ people since 2001 and murdered 3000+ Americans on 9/11?

I dont understand why you are so obsessed with a mass murdering genocidalist government regulating our guns so much. Makes no logical sense.

 

[ax1]

All I can imagine is 20000 people with guns all shootimg each other because they have no idea who the real bad guy is

But I know in reality that won't happen. Everyone will know who the bad guy is, plus friendly fire won't be on

No, because in a well educated, trained and armed modern free limited government Constitutional society it just wont play out like that. The country would be far safer from threats both domestically and foreign.

 

[Jiigzz]

No, because in a well educated, trained and armed modern free limited government Constitutional society it just wont play out like that. The country would be far safer from threats both domestically and foreign.

Yes I agree. Youd all be commandos

 

[ax1]

Yes I agree. Youd all be commandos

People wouldnt be idiots and use these weapons irresponsibly. They wouldnt think they can hit 100 yard targets with a pistol like they do in the movies.

 

[Jiigzz]

People wouldnt be idiots and use these weapons irresponsibly. They wouldnt think they can hit 100 yard targets with a pistol like they do in the movies.

No not at all.

Give 100% of the population guns, and miracle, no idiots.

It's a great plan.

 

[ax1]

how about a 64 year old millionaire with no criminal history....and no motive!!!


dang man...you really draggin the bottom of the barrel now aint ya, lol.

For all you know his hotel room was just the lucky chosen one and he happened to be in it, just the right selected guy at the right time.

Hey they told us some caveman hijacked a passenger airliner with single engine plane training and made incredible impossible to do maneuvers straight into knocking out 2.3 trillion dollars right into the Pentagon. How about that!!!!!

 

[Jiigzz]

For all you know his hotel room was just the lucky chosen one and he happened to be in it, just the right selected guy at the right time.

Hey they told us some caveman hijacked a passenger airliner with single engine plane training and made incredible impossible to do maneuvers straight into knocking out 2.3 trillion dollars right into the Pentagon. How about that!!!!!

Yes you're right!

Damn this government. Damn all governments! There's no twisted people in this world, just corrupt governments!

 

[ax1]

No not at all.

Give 100% of the population guns, and miracle, no idiots.

It's a great plan.

Idiots have both legal access and illegal access to guns the country. So whats so scary? Your not gonna get shot it is almost impossible for that to ever happen in the USA.

So you do you want regulating the guns?

 

[ax1]

Yes you're right!

Damn this government. Damn all governments! There's no twisted people in this world, just corrupt governments!

Non-war government handled democide is by far the #1 cause of death at 260 million+ deaths, 6 times more than even all the wars fought this past 100+ years all combined.

When twisted people break the law there should be due process and severe punishment. Its a simple concept. Restricting the innocent is retarded.

 

[Jiigzz]

Idiots have both legal access and illegal access to guns the country. So whats so scary? Your not gonna get shot it is almost impossible for that to ever happen in the USA.

So you do you want regulating the guns?

You're right. Let's just arm everyone. The more guns the better. Let the good guys with guns outweigh all the bad guys

 

[Jiigzz]

Non-war government handled democide is by far the #1 cause of death at 260 million+ deaths, 6 times more than even all the wars fought this past 100+ years all combined.

When twisted people break the law there should be due process and severe punishment. Its a simple concept. Restricting the innocent is retarded.

Yes, we should ban governments

 

[ax1]

You're right. Let's just arm everyone. The more guns the better. Let the good guys with guns outweigh all the bad guys

Yes you're right!

Damn this government. Damn all governments! There's no twisted people in this world, just corrupt governments!

If your so concerned about sick and twisted people why would you firstly want to strip away the power of good people from defending themselves and further weaken them from the threats, and also....

Why in hell do you support the most sick, twisted and mass murdering people currently on our planet regulating our guns?

This doesnt seem so strategically as a winning formula.

 

[Jiigzz]

If your so concerned about sick and twisted people why would you firstly want to strip away the power of good people from defending themselves and further weaken them from the threats, and also....

Why in hell do you support the most sick, twisted and mass murdering people currently on our planet regulating our guns?

This doesnt seem so strategically as a winning formula.

No you're right. My plan doesn't work in any country that does it. It's silly I don't know why I bought it up

 

[ax1]

Yes, we should ban governments

Restoration of the US government and restricting it only to its Constitutional authority would be great start.

 

[ax1]

Yes, we should ban governments

Which government in the world has murdered and destroyed more innocent countries and people this past 20 years and who do you want regulating our guns?

 

[Jiigzz]

Which government in the world has murdered and destroyed more innocent countries and people this past 20 years and who do you want regulating our guns?

No I think you should give everyone more guns. Steven had 23. You need more

 

[ax1]

No I think you should give everyone more guns. Steven had 23. You need more

Steven who?? Have you heard of Bert and Ernie?

 

[ax1]

No I think you should give everyone more guns. Steven had 23. You need more

Which government in the world has murdered and destroyed more innocent countries and people this past 20 years and who do you want regulating our guns?

Can you just please answer my question all in the same sentence? I seriously need to drop on the floor and laugh my ass off cause I havent heard anyone say anything that crazy in real life in a very long time. 1 sentence please, run on ok.

 

[ax1]

No I think you should give everyone more guns. Steven had 23. You need more

If you believe in this cartoon villain and he happens to be real, he probably got those guns on a clearance sale from the same government hooligans that got caught smuggling heavy arms in support to Mexican drug cartels. Ya know, the same government you think is concerned with our safety and want them to heavily regulate our guns. Yeah, those guys.

 

[Jiigzz]

If you believe in this cartoon villain and he happens to be real, he probably got those guns on a clearance sale from the same government hooligans that got caught smuggling heavy arms in support to Mexican drug cartels. Ya know, the same government you think is concerned with our safety and want them to heavily regulate our guns. Yeah, those guys.

All your defences rely on the exact same argument. Literally all of them.

You can never address one thing at a time without dragging mexicans, isis, drugs or something like that into the conversation.

That's how you argue every single time

 

[ax1]

All your defences rely on the exact same argument. Literally all of them.

You can never address one thing at a time without dragging mexicans, isis, drugs or something like that into the conversation.

That's how you argue every single time

Its all relevant because more people are waking up and not believing our governments bullcrap here anymore. Its also relevant because these are the people that you think should further regulate the safety of our society which is complete bad strategic move both here domestically and for the rest of the world. Washington has no ethical credibility.Im still waiting for you to answer which government in the world has murdered and destroyed more innocent countries and people this past 20 years and who do you want regulating our guns?

 

[ax1]

All your defences rely on the exact same argument. Literally all of them.

You can never address one thing at a time without dragging mexicans, isis, drugs or something like that into the conversation.

That's how you argue every single time

Its all relevant because more people are waking up and not believing our governments bullcrap here anymore. Its also relevant because these are the same people that you think should further regulate the safety of our society which is complete bad strategic move both here domestically and for the rest of the world. Your not going to solve anything. Washington has no ethical credibility. Im still waiting for you to answer which government in the world has murdered and destroyed more innocent countries and people this past 20 years and who do you want regulating our guns?

 

[Jiigzz]

Its all relevant because more people are waking up and not believing our governments bullcrap here anymore. Its also relevant because these are the people that you think should further regulate the safety of our society which is complete bad strategic move both here domestically and for the rest of the world. Washington has no ethical credibility. Im still waiting for you to answer which government in the world has murdered and destroyed more innocent countries and people this past 20 years and who do you want regulating our guns? I need to laugh really bad right now, help me.

You play strawman and pull in irrelevant arguments to back a standpoint. You literally do this all the time to try make it seem like you are all for the people because of all this other stuff your govt does.

No. Answer the question at hand. Stop dragging in alt facts (200 million+ people, HUH?!?!?!).

Here are the facts: guns kill more people than they save.

You think adding more guns will solve more issues. Based on what? Your opinion? Cool. That doesn't follow the evidence. But whatever.

Ok so your govt murders the whole world, and now you want to add to that by allowing more guns. That's logical.

Your arguments are repeated strawman, red herring and appeal to emotion.

Stick to real facts, not alt theory BS you make up

 

[ax1]

Here are the facts: guns kill more people than they save.

In gun free zones sure. What about open carry areas such as Vermont or New Hampsier...you know that place probably where you posted those scary grocery store picture from? Suicide counts and gangs killing gangs, whatever. Its almost impossible to get shot here....

Guns not only save lives but they also work as a deterrent. Thats why most of these mass shootings happen in gun free areas like public schools.

What if we go to war with China and they invade here on foot? Who has a better chance, us or NZ? How do you know what the future holds for the globes biggest superpower?

You think adding more guns will solve more issues. Based on what? Your opinion? Cool. That doesn't follow the evidence. But whatever.

It might, it might not. Its not for me to tell innocent people they cant arm and defend themselves.

Calling people to arm themselves in high crime/homicide areas such as Detroit worked, so there is evidence for you.

Ok so your govt murders the whole world, and now you want to add to that by allowing more guns. That's logical.

Your arguments are repeated strawman, red herring and appeal to emotion.

Stick to real facts, not alt theory BS you make up

Its completely logical because I both want to strengthen the American citizens who mostly happen to be good people and end all the wars, end the foreign empire, bring all our troops home and restore this government with non-interventionist Constitutional policies.

Your the emotional one here. Your concerned over something that is practically impossible here. Im more worried about bee stings or getting hit with a wine bottle cork.

 

[Jiigzz]

In gun free zones sure. What about open carry areas such as Vermont or New Hampsier...you know that place probably where you posted those scary grocery store picture from? Suicide counts and gangs killing gangs, whatever. Its almost impossible to get shot here....

Guns not only save lives but they also work as a deterrent. Thats why most of these mass shootings happen in gun free areas like public schools.

What if we go to war with China and they invade here on foot? Who has a better chance, us or NZ? How do you know what the future holds for the globes biggest superpower?



It might, it might not. Its not for me to tell innocent people they cant arm and defend themselves.

Calling people to arm themselves in high crime/homicide areas such as Detroit worked, so there is evidence for you.




Its completely logical because I both want to strengthen the American citizens who mostly happen to be good people and end all the wars, end the foreign empire, bring all our troops home and restore this government with non-interventionist Constitutional policies.

Your the emotional one here. Your concerned over something that is practically impossible here. Im more worried about bee stings or getting hit with a wine bottle cork.

Your entire country has guns everywhere. Free zones or not. Your free zones fail because not everywhere is a free zone.

That's not a hard concept to grasp but you guys would do anything for guns

 

[ax1]

Your entire country has guns everywhere. Free zones or not. Your free zones fail because not everywhere is a free zone.

That's not a hard concept to grasp but you guys would do anything for guns

Maybe it’s because most people here really aren’t worried about getting shot since it’s statistically almost impossible and they don’t care because there really is no threat. They just don’t think it’s worth the hard long term risks with disarmament and government enforcement. Hopefully that will never change here but that’s just me.

The media makes it appear to be a war zone here, its not.

 

[youngandfree]

You play strawman and pull in irrelevant arguments to back a standpoint. You literally do this all the time to try make it seem like you are all for the people because of all this other stuff your govt does.

No. Answer the question at hand. Stop dragging in alt facts (200 million+ people, HUH?!?!?!).

Here are the facts: guns kill more people than they save.

You think adding more guns will solve more issues. Based on what? Your opinion? Cool. That doesn't follow the evidence. But whatever.

Ok so your govt murders the whole world, and now you want to add to that by allowing more guns. That's logical.

Your arguments are repeated strawman, red herring and appeal to emotion.

Stick to real facts, not alt theory BS you make up

When a cop or a good guy stops a bad guy with a gun, they dont calculate and report the number of people that were saved by taking out the bad guy. They just report how many died or were injured.

 

[Aleksandar37]

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[youngandfree]

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Either he is in the wind, or he got Vincent Fostered.

 

[CJNator]

Giving more guns out nor taking more guns away will save lives. How about arguing about the rout cause of why people think need with either more or less firearms? Any material can be use for good or bad, the issue lies with the individual. Killing is normal but killing for no good reason isn’t.

The issue is lack of culture, destroyed family structures, possibly environmental pollution(that may pollute individuals and distort their reality), governmental structure, etc.... Politics isn’t sports, let’s try not to be biased. Hell I was far right at one point but I understand the close mindedness of the right yet I also why their mindset is necessary. I use to despise the left and their whole mentality yet now I understand. Yet I understand why there mentality is dangerous.

The right wing seem to have the spirit yet lack worldly knowledge. The left wing have the worldly knowledge yet lack the spirit.

I am obviously generalizing but what I’m saying is neither the right or left wing ideas will purely produce a outcome that benefits the ones that truly deserve to benefit which would be a large majority within the US. Together both the left and right can produce a outcome that’s best for the majority.

The only idea that is worth fighting for is nationalism, which is neither left nor right.

 

[Jiigzz]

When a cop or a good guy stops a bad guy with a gun, they dont calculate and report the number of people that were saved by taking out the bad guy. They just report how many died or were injured.

That's funny, I thought a cop shooting someone was not called murder? Am I mistaken?

 

[Jiigzz]

I also live the paranoia of china invading by foot. Wars now will not be win by overrunning territory. They will be done by shelling mainlands until govts submit.

Your own military has a history of failing to overpower small nations through land invasions, so why would a nation try and overpower a large nation? It makes no sense.

The gulf wars
Vietnam
Korea

Etc

Are all wars, despite an advances military, that you havent won through land invasions

 

[Jiigzz]

In gun free zones sure. What about open carry areas such as Vermont or New Hampsier...you know that place probably where you posted those scary grocery store picture from? Suicide counts and gangs killing gangs, whatever. Its almost impossible to get shot here....

Guns not only save lives but they also work as a deterrent. Thats why most of these mass shootings happen in gun free areas like public schools.

What if we go to war with China and they invade here on foot? Who has a better chance, us or NZ? How do you know what the future holds for the globes biggest superpower?



It might, it might not. Its not for me to tell innocent people they cant arm and defend themselves.

Calling people to arm themselves in high crime/homicide areas such as Detroit worked, so there is evidence for you.




Its completely logical because I both want to strengthen the American citizens who mostly happen to be good people and end all the wars, end the foreign empire, bring all our troops home and restore this government with non-interventionist Constitutional policies.

Your the emotional one here. Your concerned over something that is practically impossible here. Im more worried about bee stings or getting hit with a wine bottle cork.

How exactly will a gun win you a war with nukes?

 

[thebigt]

You're ignoring the biggest red flag though. He was a pathological gambler. Everybody is acting like he was this totally happy, normal guy who just snapped and that's not the case. Drugs and alcohol may have played a role and that will come out if it did, but gambling can also be a serious addictive issue.

the owner of the hotel said of all the employees who remember paddock and his girlfriend, they all say neither one of them EVER took a drink of alcohol. as far as drugs, they found a prescription bottle of valium in the room....not hardly what you would expect to find in a hardcore users room from my experience...they say he spent hours playing video poker, but they haven't said rather he was a winner or loser-but his finances were very good so if he was a loser apparently it wasn't hurting him financially.

 

[Aleksandar37]

the owner of the hotel said of all the employees who remember paddock and his girlfriend, they all say neither one of them EVER took a drink of alcohol. as far as drugs, they found a prescription bottle of valium in the room....not hardly what you would expect to find in a hardcore users room from my experience...they say he spent hours playing video poker, but they haven't said rather he was a winner or loser-but his finances were very good so if he was a loser apparently it wasn't hurting him financially.

I'm waiting for the investigation to be complete because I get what you're saying, but how many people come through that hotel even if you only limit it to the big spenders. Right now the telephone game is in full effect there and people's memories are horrible for evidence, which has been shown repeatedly. If you just want to go on what we know and apply logic to it, he slept during the day and spent his nights being anti-social and playing video poker...those things don't point towards a happy, well-adjusted guy.

 

[thebigt]

How exactly will a gun win you a war with nukes?

don't be a Harvey, lol.