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This will be a long post...to summarize, Butea Superba is safe as long as you don't take ridiculous amounts...
From EvoMuse Testruction Write-Up...hope you don't mind Matt
Bueta Superba is an interesting Thai herb, widely considered to have aphrodisiac qualities. Along the lines of the aphrodisiac aspect, it has been shown to increase penile erections in diabetic rats (diabetes frequently interferes with normal erectile function) (11).
This benefit has also been demonstrated in humans. Thai males aged 30-70 with erectile dysfunction were given BS in a randomized, double-blind study for 3 months, and 82% of them saw noticeable improvements in sexual function (12).
When a compound has libido boosting effects, chances are pretty good that we’ll see some positive interaction with testosterone and/or DHT, which is exactly what we see with BS. If one were to look solely at the 2008 rat study from Cherdshewasart, et al., it would appear that BSE could actually lower testosterone when taken at high doses, and even elevate liver enzymes (13). However, there’s a couple of things to keep in mind here. One, when taking prohormones or steroids, the body drops production of its own testosterone to compensate, which is likely what is happening here. And two, the rest of the published data tells a different story, in fact, another rat study using an even higher dose of BSE resulted in increased testis weight and sperm count, and found it to be safe with no adverse side effects at 100x the Thai recommended dose for humans (14).
BS has also been shown to be anti-estrogenic and androgenic in several other studies, as well as being deemed to work in conjunction, and synergistically with the body’s own testosterone levels similar to E. Ulmoides (14–17).
In a 2012 case study, a patient came in "complaining” of an increased sex drive. Lab testing revealed elevated levels of Free Testosterone, DHT, and DHEA-sulfate, and was thus diagnosed as having hyperandrogenemia (aka elevated androgens, sounds like a good problem to have). After assessing current supplement intake, the patient was advised to stop taking BS. One week after cessation, the patient’s sex drive had returned to normal and lab testing showed DHT had dropped back to normal (18).
BSE also appears to have some positive effects on the brain. Research shows it can increase neurogenesis in the hippocampus, relieve depression-like symptoms induced by chronic stress, ameliorate cognitive dysfunction, and inhibit acetylcholinesterase thereby elevating acetylcholine levels (19,20).
And some of the studies this refers to...
Luteinizing hormone reduction by the male potency herb, Butea superba Roxb.
Malaivijitnond S1, Ketsuwan A, Watanabe G, Taya K, Cherdshewasart W.
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To determine if Butea superba Roxb., a traditional Thai male potency herb, has androgenic activity in 60-day-old male Wistar rats, we measured its effects on the pituitary-testicular axis and sex organs. Intact and orchidectomized adult male rats were subdivided into five groups (10 rats/group): distilled water, Butea superba (BS)-10, BS-50, BS-250, and testosterone propionate (TP). They received 0, 10, 50, and 250 mg·kg body weight(-1)·day(-1) BS in distilled water by gavage and 6 mg·kg body weight(-1)·day(-1) TP sc, respectively, during the 30-day treatment period. Blood was collected every 15 days and luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and testosterone were measured. Changes of weight and histological appearance of sex organs were determined at the end of the 30-day treatment and 15-day post-treatment periods. TP treatment reduced serum FSH and LH levels and significantly increased the weight of the seminal vesicles and epididymis, in accordance with histopathological changes, in both intact and orchidectomized rats. No changes in serum testosterone, LH, and FSH levels were observed in any of the intact rats treated with BS, but a significant increase in seminal vesicle weight was observed only in the BS-250 group. Although a significant reduction in serum LH was detected in the BS-50 and BS-250 groups of orchidectomized rats, no significant change in weight or histology of sex organs was observed. Thus, we conclude that B. superba needs endogenous testosterone to work synergistically to stimulate the accessory sex organ of intact animals and can potentially exhibit an LH reduction effect in orchidectomized animals.
Mutagenic and antimutagenic effects of the traditional herb used for treating erectile dysfunction, Butea superba Roxb.
Cherdshewasart W1, Sutjit W, Pulcharoen K, Chulasiri M.
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Butea superba is a traditional tuberous Thai plant enriched with flavonoids that is used for treating erectile dysfunction. We investigated the mutagenic and antimutagenic potentials of a B. superba extract by using the pre-incubation method of the Ames test. Salmonella typhimurium strains TA 98 and TA 100 were applied as the tester strains in the presence and absence of an S9 mixture. Prior to the mutagenic and antimutagenic tests, the survival of the tester strains was measured by treating with the B. superba extract. The results show that the B. superba extract exhibited dose-dependent cytotoxic effects. Data from the Ames test revealed that the B. superba extract to be non-mutagenic in the presence and absence of the S9 mixture. In contrast, the B. superba extract showed antimutagenic potential towards either or both of the tested mutagens: 2-(2-furyl)-3-(5-nitro-2-furyl)-acrylamide (AF-2) and benzo(a)pyrene (B(a)P) in the respective presence and absence of the S9 mixture, respectively. The plant antimutagenic activity was confirmed by a rec assay. A further study by micronucleus test demonstrated that the B. superba extract at the maximum loading volume could induce acute micronucleus formation in the tested animals. The in vitro mutagenic and antimutagenic assays confirmed the safe consumption of B. superba products at low dose (not more than 781.25 microg/ml of the plant extract), but the in vivo genotoxic assay demonstrated the unsafe consumption at a high dose (300 mg/kg of the BW plant extract or 16 g/kg of the BW plant powder).
Clinical trial of Butea superba, an alternative herbal treatment for erectile dysfunction.
Cherdshewasart W1, Nimsakul N.
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AIM:
To study the effect of Butea superba on erectile dysfunction (ED) in Thai males.
METHODS:
A 3-month randomized double-blind clinical trial was carried out in volunteers with ED, aged 30 years approximately 70 years, to evaluate the therapeutic effect of the crude preparation of Butea superba tubers on ED.
RESULTS:
There was a significant upgrading in 4 of the 5 descriptive evaluations of the IIEF-5 questionnaire. Estimation of the sexual record indicated that 82.4% of the patients exhibited noticeable improvement. Haematology and blood chemistry analysis revealed no apparent change.
CONCLUSION:
The plant preparation appears to improve the erectile function in ED patients without apparent toxicity.
Effects of Butea superba on reproductive systems of rats.
Manosroi A1, Sanphet K, Saowakon S, Aritajat S, Manosroi J.
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The effects of Butea superba on the reproductive system in male Wistar rats were investigated. The animals were fed daily with the powdered crude drug suspended in distilled water by a gastric tube at the dose of 2, 25, 250 and 1250 mg/kg body weight for 8 weeks. Rats fed with 1 ml of distilled water were used as a negative control. The weights of all vital organs in all treated groups were not different from the control. The percentage weight ratios of body weights of seminal vesicles and prostate glands were not different from the control, except that the testis of the group fed with 1250 mg/kg was significantly different from the control and the other treated groups. In addition, the sperm counts in this group showed about 16% more than the control group. Hematology as well as the liver and kidney function of all treated groups showed no difference from the control. B. superba, drug at 250 mg/kg which was 100 times more than the Thai FDA recommended dose for humans appeared to be safe in rats. The crude drug has demonstrated an increase tendency on testis weight and sperm counts in rat.
From EvoMuse Testruction Write-Up...hope you don't mind Matt
Bueta Superba is an interesting Thai herb, widely considered to have aphrodisiac qualities. Along the lines of the aphrodisiac aspect, it has been shown to increase penile erections in diabetic rats (diabetes frequently interferes with normal erectile function) (11).
This benefit has also been demonstrated in humans. Thai males aged 30-70 with erectile dysfunction were given BS in a randomized, double-blind study for 3 months, and 82% of them saw noticeable improvements in sexual function (12).
When a compound has libido boosting effects, chances are pretty good that we’ll see some positive interaction with testosterone and/or DHT, which is exactly what we see with BS. If one were to look solely at the 2008 rat study from Cherdshewasart, et al., it would appear that BSE could actually lower testosterone when taken at high doses, and even elevate liver enzymes (13). However, there’s a couple of things to keep in mind here. One, when taking prohormones or steroids, the body drops production of its own testosterone to compensate, which is likely what is happening here. And two, the rest of the published data tells a different story, in fact, another rat study using an even higher dose of BSE resulted in increased testis weight and sperm count, and found it to be safe with no adverse side effects at 100x the Thai recommended dose for humans (14).
BS has also been shown to be anti-estrogenic and androgenic in several other studies, as well as being deemed to work in conjunction, and synergistically with the body’s own testosterone levels similar to E. Ulmoides (14–17).
In a 2012 case study, a patient came in "complaining” of an increased sex drive. Lab testing revealed elevated levels of Free Testosterone, DHT, and DHEA-sulfate, and was thus diagnosed as having hyperandrogenemia (aka elevated androgens, sounds like a good problem to have). After assessing current supplement intake, the patient was advised to stop taking BS. One week after cessation, the patient’s sex drive had returned to normal and lab testing showed DHT had dropped back to normal (18).
BSE also appears to have some positive effects on the brain. Research shows it can increase neurogenesis in the hippocampus, relieve depression-like symptoms induced by chronic stress, ameliorate cognitive dysfunction, and inhibit acetylcholinesterase thereby elevating acetylcholine levels (19,20).
And some of the studies this refers to...
Luteinizing hormone reduction by the male potency herb, Butea superba Roxb.
Malaivijitnond S1, Ketsuwan A, Watanabe G, Taya K, Cherdshewasart W.
Author information
Abstract
To determine if Butea superba Roxb., a traditional Thai male potency herb, has androgenic activity in 60-day-old male Wistar rats, we measured its effects on the pituitary-testicular axis and sex organs. Intact and orchidectomized adult male rats were subdivided into five groups (10 rats/group): distilled water, Butea superba (BS)-10, BS-50, BS-250, and testosterone propionate (TP). They received 0, 10, 50, and 250 mg·kg body weight(-1)·day(-1) BS in distilled water by gavage and 6 mg·kg body weight(-1)·day(-1) TP sc, respectively, during the 30-day treatment period. Blood was collected every 15 days and luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and testosterone were measured. Changes of weight and histological appearance of sex organs were determined at the end of the 30-day treatment and 15-day post-treatment periods. TP treatment reduced serum FSH and LH levels and significantly increased the weight of the seminal vesicles and epididymis, in accordance with histopathological changes, in both intact and orchidectomized rats. No changes in serum testosterone, LH, and FSH levels were observed in any of the intact rats treated with BS, but a significant increase in seminal vesicle weight was observed only in the BS-250 group. Although a significant reduction in serum LH was detected in the BS-50 and BS-250 groups of orchidectomized rats, no significant change in weight or histology of sex organs was observed. Thus, we conclude that B. superba needs endogenous testosterone to work synergistically to stimulate the accessory sex organ of intact animals and can potentially exhibit an LH reduction effect in orchidectomized animals.
Mutagenic and antimutagenic effects of the traditional herb used for treating erectile dysfunction, Butea superba Roxb.
Cherdshewasart W1, Sutjit W, Pulcharoen K, Chulasiri M.
Author information
Abstract
Butea superba is a traditional tuberous Thai plant enriched with flavonoids that is used for treating erectile dysfunction. We investigated the mutagenic and antimutagenic potentials of a B. superba extract by using the pre-incubation method of the Ames test. Salmonella typhimurium strains TA 98 and TA 100 were applied as the tester strains in the presence and absence of an S9 mixture. Prior to the mutagenic and antimutagenic tests, the survival of the tester strains was measured by treating with the B. superba extract. The results show that the B. superba extract exhibited dose-dependent cytotoxic effects. Data from the Ames test revealed that the B. superba extract to be non-mutagenic in the presence and absence of the S9 mixture. In contrast, the B. superba extract showed antimutagenic potential towards either or both of the tested mutagens: 2-(2-furyl)-3-(5-nitro-2-furyl)-acrylamide (AF-2) and benzo(a)pyrene (B(a)P) in the respective presence and absence of the S9 mixture, respectively. The plant antimutagenic activity was confirmed by a rec assay. A further study by micronucleus test demonstrated that the B. superba extract at the maximum loading volume could induce acute micronucleus formation in the tested animals. The in vitro mutagenic and antimutagenic assays confirmed the safe consumption of B. superba products at low dose (not more than 781.25 microg/ml of the plant extract), but the in vivo genotoxic assay demonstrated the unsafe consumption at a high dose (300 mg/kg of the BW plant extract or 16 g/kg of the BW plant powder).
Clinical trial of Butea superba, an alternative herbal treatment for erectile dysfunction.
Cherdshewasart W1, Nimsakul N.
Author information
Abstract
AIM:
To study the effect of Butea superba on erectile dysfunction (ED) in Thai males.
METHODS:
A 3-month randomized double-blind clinical trial was carried out in volunteers with ED, aged 30 years approximately 70 years, to evaluate the therapeutic effect of the crude preparation of Butea superba tubers on ED.
RESULTS:
There was a significant upgrading in 4 of the 5 descriptive evaluations of the IIEF-5 questionnaire. Estimation of the sexual record indicated that 82.4% of the patients exhibited noticeable improvement. Haematology and blood chemistry analysis revealed no apparent change.
CONCLUSION:
The plant preparation appears to improve the erectile function in ED patients without apparent toxicity.
Effects of Butea superba on reproductive systems of rats.
Manosroi A1, Sanphet K, Saowakon S, Aritajat S, Manosroi J.
Author information
Abstract
The effects of Butea superba on the reproductive system in male Wistar rats were investigated. The animals were fed daily with the powdered crude drug suspended in distilled water by a gastric tube at the dose of 2, 25, 250 and 1250 mg/kg body weight for 8 weeks. Rats fed with 1 ml of distilled water were used as a negative control. The weights of all vital organs in all treated groups were not different from the control. The percentage weight ratios of body weights of seminal vesicles and prostate glands were not different from the control, except that the testis of the group fed with 1250 mg/kg was significantly different from the control and the other treated groups. In addition, the sperm counts in this group showed about 16% more than the control group. Hematology as well as the liver and kidney function of all treated groups showed no difference from the control. B. superba, drug at 250 mg/kg which was 100 times more than the Thai FDA recommended dose for humans appeared to be safe in rats. The crude drug has demonstrated an increase tendency on testis weight and sperm counts in rat.
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Would Swanson brand 400 mg 4xday be considered high. Full spectrum butea superba root.
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No, absolutely not, imho...especially since it's a full spectrum and not concentrated...what say you Uncle Danes?
I took Barlowe's brand 30:1 extract at a gram a day and I didn't have any symptoms of a toxic liver or kidneys (granted, I did not have tests done, but I showed no indications of liver damage, ie, yellowing eyes, spider angiomas, fluid retention in the abdomen/ankles, etc).
I need someone who is good at doing the calculations between rat and human to see what the maximum safe dosage is. Especially in light of the last bold sentences in my previous post.
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Butea Superba is often spiked with DHT compounds. But Barlowes and swanson are nothing to be affraid of. Take the recommended dose
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Never heard of Butea Superba. Is it better then tongkat ali and Icariin?Butea Superba is often spiked with DHT compounds. But Barlowes and swanson are nothing to be affraid of. Take the recommended dose
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Aildenafil in trace amounts and Dimethyl sildenafil thione (sulfoaildenafil) a purported analog of Sildenafil, an FDA-approved drug used as treatment for male Erectile Dysfunction (ED).
I've never heard of these, I guess their not available?
Both look like Viagra analogues, but Aspire lasted 36-40 hours easy. I admit it was like Viagra but lasted as long as Cialis. You could party, and have no issues! It was a god send, it seems they're used in alot of libido pills tho.
Might have to start buying Chinese medicine ?
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It's not better or worse...Butea Superba, Tongkat Ali, and Horny Goat Weed (standardized for icariin) all do different things. BS affects more of the DHT side of things (what makes you manly, horny, etc)...TA is an adaptogen/test booster/estrogen modulator...HGW affects NO and is a mild pde5 inhibitor. I use all three plus more.
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Great summarize! Is Barlows BS the best to go with? I live in Europe, too bad Tonvara don´t offer BS.
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Barlowes is good one.
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shipping cost is out of this world!Barlowes is good one.
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Barlowe's is what I use as well. You may be able to find a Euro source or better yet a Thai source the would ship reasonably. (Sorry I don't have information on either of those)
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What's your current stack?
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Guys - check out Ginseng. Sure Korean, but i mean the Russian SIBERIAN GINSENG and get a good one like NaturesBest or HealthAid.
Seriously, within three days your balls are tingling at the slightest thing, and you're ready to go!
Must be a good quality one though, Ive had bunk and it point blank doesnt do anything, you should feel this, and with korean you feel it working in the form of stimulant (i find its better for harder erections rather than libido per-se, siberian seems to make you want to jump on anything)
Only problem now missus libido is on the floor... this article is so old I was at a time when I needed to boost MY drive, its now the other way around... that and our teeneager will never leave the house... ruining the sex life
Seriously, within three days your balls are tingling at the slightest thing, and you're ready to go!
Must be a good quality one though, Ive had bunk and it point blank doesnt do anything, you should feel this, and with korean you feel it working in the form of stimulant (i find its better for harder erections rather than libido per-se, siberian seems to make you want to jump on anything)
Only problem now missus libido is on the floor... this article is so old I was at a time when I needed to boost MY drive, its now the other way around... that and our teeneager will never leave the house... ruining the sex life
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Bro primal jax from vitamin Shoppe...it makes me aggressive as heck in bed.
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Get her some Siberian ginseng and trib. Or pt-141
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Has anyone used a supplement that had them turned on all day. Like to the point where they can go 3 rounds with not too long of a break?
Really feel like I've lost my drive and orgasm intensity recently
Really feel like I've lost my drive and orgasm intensity recently
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Parmi/caber, pt-141, and maybe throw in some Cialis and I'm sure you/anyone would be good to go
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Is there anything that would come close to this, without going the pharmaceutical route?
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There are definitely great natty stuff but NOTHING that would come close to this. Looking at a natural product kingsblood, alphamax xt and some other but I would look at those to as they are great I think I give kingsguard the edge but idk.
Edit. Oh also evomuse testruction is another amazing option
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Cel m-test gets a lot of love as well.
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Primeval Labs Mega Test
Cnidium Fruit Extract
Cnidium Fruit Extract
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Mega test looks like a horrible formula.
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fadogia is doing wonders for me right now
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I thought the profile was quite good. What would you recommend? I'm considering K1ngs Blood from OL. Mainly after the testosterone + libido boost.
I'm using Erosion from Primeval for estrogen control.
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Cel m-test looks interesting.
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K1ngs blood, M-Test or LJ100+quality tribulus standardized for 45% protodioscin or higher.
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For me, the cheapest solution is butea superba.
Other things that were mentioned also work quite well like LJ100, good tribulus and I also actually get some decent results with standardized Horny goat weed if highly dosed.
Other things that were mentioned also work quite well like LJ100, good tribulus and I also actually get some decent results with standardized Horny goat weed if highly dosed.
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Ima give CEL M-Test a try. What's the best way to cycle this product?
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4 weeks on, 4 weeks off I'd imagine? That's the general rule of thumb.
Stick to maca, zinc and d3 when you're off
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8 weeks on and 4 weeks off
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Ok thanx. Ordered 2 bottles.
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black maca for men , red for the ladies ?
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^^^Yes
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How much of each?
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doesnt high amounts of zinc deplete copper?
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I take one tab a day as directed on the label. It's by a popular brand here in Australia called ethical nutrients.
I know this is a supplement thread but diet also plays an important role. Try incorporating some of these foods: Spinach, Pine nuts, Oysters, Chilli Peppers, Watermelon, Figs - soak these in organic almond milk overnight, Saffron (in tea), Dates, Avocado and organic free range eggs.
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Anyone know of a reliable source for black maca?
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themacateam dot com
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7 8 benzoflavone. Thoughts everyone?
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I've heard peter north eats a ton of celery....just sayin
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but doesn't celery make your pee/semen smell?
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buy some and see . its cheap enough
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