Any advantage to high dose test vs low dose?

johnny411

johnny411

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I been only running test prop for years, I've done up to 500 a week, and usually stick to 300, i weight around 175, I bench 135x45 or 315x4 reps max, I ran test e once at 500 and seemed to get stronger than usual but I don't know if it was the ester? I know there's a lot of cons but Is there any benefit to running more test or different esters as far as strength increase goes or is it just increase in sides without any pros?
 
I think you will get more strength the higher your dose. It won't necessarily be correlated exactly for instance every 100mg you get a 10lb increase on your bench. I'm not a big testosterone fan, I use it more for replacement purposes.
 
I kinda understand, I know a 300 lb guy probably needs at least double a 150 lb guy, I really can't tell the difference between 500 and 300 of test p besides a estro spike, It seems most of the experienced guys seem to use test for normal sex and energy function as needed by the male body, and use other compounds for bulk, recomp, cut ect, but I am not worried about cutting probably at least for another year, so I'm curious if I change esters or dose if there's any benefit for bulk and strength or low dose test and other compounds are a better route to my goals? (Goals are to build powerful athletic muscles, maybe add 15 pounds of muscle and lose 3 or 4 pounds of fat, rite now I volume train, and power train, and eat for weight gain and have extremely fast metabolism nearly impossible to gain fat and I hate estro sides besides bloat, kinda like that)
 
I got friends that never need more then a trt dose and others that take 1.5gm and say fuk everything else. It all comes down to what works for you
 
Strength is the biggest difference for me. Everything feels light on 600+

Haven't run that high in over a year because I'm not chasing numbers anymore. At least not in huge increments.
 
johnny411 said:
I been only running test prop for years, I've done up to 500 a week, and usually stick to 300, i weight around 175, I bench 135x45 or 315x4 reps max, I ran test e once at 500 and seemed to get stronger than usual but I don't know if it was the ester? I know there's a lot of cons but Is there any benefit to running more test or different esters as far as strength increase goes or is it just increase in sides without any pros?
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might be due to the increase in E2.... prop seems to cause less aromatization for some.

below is a post by a user here who noticed an advantage to once/wk vs 2x/wk injjections for TRT:

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Distilled Water said:
It's test. There's no difference in the mg per mg. Ester weights carry some difference but outside of some water retention (I theory is this is believed to be from the ester) there's no difference. Test is test
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He's talking about doses not esters, like the difference between running 250mg and 1000mg
 
Smont said:
I stand corrected
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as do I: he mentions both dose and ester. I missed that as well..

anyway, I read an article a while back that mentioned some people tend to respond better to different oils than others.... cyp is cottonseed oil, enanthate is in sesame oil and prop is also in cottonseed.

all have different carbon chains, as well. prop is 3, cyp is 8 and enanathate is 7.
 
Got a alot of good replies, and alot of different experiences, some say test is test and I agree, others say the oil it's in or the ester can change your response to it makes me wonder, so why does everyone seem to have a favorite ester unless it's all administration frequency?
 
Well the ester can matter, as can the oil. I mean the ester matters in a huge fukn obvious way: it dictates to a large degree the PK of the testosterone it is attached to.

But there are lots of variables here. So its tempting to overthink things. You can look at general rules of thumb and studies and sh1t, but ultimately that good old truism: its your body youre inj into, your esterase that cleaves, your metabolism, and so on...experiment.
 
Not a big testosterone guy either, plenty of better anabolics to run that will bind to the AR much better. Just use it for replacement therapy and blast another compound. Promise you'll enjoy it
 
Like smont responded, a lot is dependent on the individual. I make the most of 300mg when I blast because I see sides above that and the benefit is negligible.
 
Test is test so to speak!
Esterification of an injectable anabolic/androgenic steroid basically accomplishes one thing, it slows the release of the parent steroid from the site of injection.
An ester like propionate for example will slow the release of a steroid for a few days, while the duration will be up to 15 days+/- with a decanoate ester.*

There is however one way that we can say an ester does technically effect potency; it is calculated in the steroid weight. The heavier the ester chain, the greater is its percentage of the total weight. In the case of testosterone enanthate for example, 250mg of esterified steroid (testosterone enanthate) is equal to only 180mg of free testosterone. 70mgs out of each 250mg injection is the weight of the ester. If we wanted to be really picky, we could consider enanthate slightly MORE potent than cypionate (I know this goes against popular thinking) as its ester chain contains one less carbon atom (therefore taking up a slightly smaller percentage of total weight). Propionate would of course come out on top of the three, releasing a measurable (but not significant) amount more testosterone per injection than cypionate or enanthate.
 
macedog24 said:
Test is test so to speak!
Esterification of an injectable anabolic/androgenic steroid basically accomplishes one thing, it slows the release of the parent steroid from the site of injection.
An ester like propionate for example will slow the release of a steroid for a few days, while the duration will be up to 15 days+/- with a decanoate ester.*

There is however one way that we can say an ester does technically effect potency; it is calculated in the steroid weight. The heavier the ester chain, the greater is its percentage of the total weight. In the case of testosterone enanthate for example, 250mg of esterified steroid (testosterone enanthate) is equal to only 180mg of free testosterone. 70mgs out of each 250mg injection is the weight of the ester. If we wanted to be really picky, we could consider enanthate slightly MORE potent than cypionate (I know this goes against popular thinking) as its ester chain contains one less carbon atom (therefore taking up a slightly smaller percentage of total weight). Propionate would of course come out on top of the three, releasing a measurable (but not significant) amount more testosterone per injection than cypionate or enanthate.
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Yet nitrogen retention is higher in the longer esters - almost twice as high. This is confirmed in broscience as well. We all know Cyp and Enan are better suited for bulking and more water weight. This is because estrogen conversion is different between the different esters but also the added benefit of more anabolic acitivity around the clock rather than having steeper peaks and valleys in the blood. If you just step back and abandon what you've been told about "test is test" - a rather oversimplified statement I might add - and think about your experience with short vs. long esters, you'll conclude that there is more to it than just ester vs. active weights.

Short esters are considerably drier, but generally offer less weight gain. This has been my experience anyways. The shorter, the drier. Long esters I find myself constantly fighting estrogen issues. This holds true for all steroids - the longer the ester, the more pronounced it's characteristics. If it's an aromatizing steroid, as the ester chain increases, so does that characteristic. Think about NPP vs. Deca or TD Dienolone vs. Dienolone Acetate - same observation.

While I generally agree and practice the use of less Test and a bit more of something else, I must admit that running Test Prop w/ Masteron @ 2:1 is a great feeling cycle and puts on a very high quality mass. This approach would merit daily injections though - probably 1cc of Test-P and 1/2cc of Mast-P every day. Or maybe 3/4cc of Test-P to land on 525mg/wk. Other than some mild DHT sides, the cycle would be very manageable and would likely offer a good deal of recomping effects, too.
 
fueledpassion said:
Yet nitrogen retention is higher in the longer esters - almost twice as high. This is confirmed in broscience as well. We all know Cyp and Enan are better suited for bulking and more water weight. This is because estrogen conversion is different between the different esters but also the added benefit of more anabolic acitivity around the clock rather than having steeper peaks and valleys in the blood. If you just step back and abandon what you've been told about "test is test" - a rather oversimplified statement I might add - and think about your experience with short vs. long esters, you'll conclude that there is more to it than just ester vs. active weights.

Short esters are considerably drier, but generally offer less weight gain. This has been my experience anyways. The shorter, the drier. Long esters I find myself constantly fighting estrogen issues. This holds true for all steroids - the longer the ester, the more pronounced it's characteristics. If it's an aromatizing steroid, as the ester chain increases, so does that characteristic. Think about NPP vs. Deca or TD Dienolone vs. Dienolone Acetate - same observation.

While I generally agree and practice the use of less Test and a bit more of something else, I must admit that running Test Prop w/ Masteron @ 2:1 is a great feeling cycle and puts on a very high quality mass. This approach would merit daily injections though - probably 1cc of Test-P and 1/2cc of Mast-P every day. Or maybe 3/4cc of Test-P to land on 525mg/wk. Other than some mild DHT sides, the cycle would be very manageable and would likely offer a good deal of recomping effects, too.
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Ok, this helps a lot, cause I felt there more to it than ester vs active weights, like I said I always run prop just cause that's what I always ran but after reading, I may switch to cip or ethenate to help with my bulking goals in the future, at same dose of 300. One time I ran ethenate and I seemed to bulk way better at regular dose, now I can't get any fat or water retention on prop actually slowing my gains because my metabolism is so fast. So ethenate may just be the way to go for me
 
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