Vicaine Log with Review

kisaj said:
Yeah man, I'm just going to let you continue to bury yourself here. On PM you seemed very cool and rationale and I felt we had a decent conversation, but they you went Jekyll and Hyde here. I mean, I repeated flat out on PM to you that I did not get the expected results and you turned around and said you saw my post and thanked me for propping up your company for being unique. I am keeping no secrets, I FLAT OUT said what I thought and it wasn't what I expected- not that IT WAS UNDERDOSED.

Something strange is happening here. A poster gives an honest review, repeats said review in private and then gets bashed by the owner in public.
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What's strange is that you actually bought Vicaine over at Pro M with your own money (I know who you are now; you are one of the few people who bashed the product repeatedly on PM for doing something it couldn't possibly do, and you did it in every thread you could find where people were talking about Vicaine), so you already knew EXACTLY how it affected you. But what do you do here? You take a sample from someone to "review" it, as if you needed a sample to post your opinion...and then proceeded to post the exact same negative stuff over here that you did there. LOL.

You actually said the following at Pro Muscle--twice. You pulled the "I am just an innocent guy getting bashed for posting honest reviews". Yeah,you were the "innocent guy" who went into as many Vicaine threads as he could posting his negative, innocent reviews. The fact is that you are trying to start **** here just like you did there--you are just being more subtle about it here because you got your ass ripped over there. Actually, you were worse there. I held my tongue there because the support was so overhwleming that everyone else spoke for me, so I had no need to say anything.

Isn't it ironic that the only person I've had words with over this product is you...and I didn't even know you were the same person that started **** on Pro Muscle! Now that is funny...and pretty telling if you ask me. This stuff you did here is basically a carbon copy of what you did there, only more subtle. here's your M.O. You go into multiple Vicaine threads, posts your negative comments, and then claim to be an innocent poster getting bashed for "telling the truth". No, you got knocked both here and there because of YOU! Everyone on the other board saw it for what it was...and the guys here will see it as well if they go back and read your prior posts in the various Vicaine threads...and I would be more than happy to refer them to your Pro M posts as well.
 
kisaj said:
Yeah man, I'm just going to let you continue to bury yourself here. On PM you seemed very cool and rationale and I felt we had a decent conversation, but they you went Jekyll and Hyde here. I mean, I repeated flat out on PM to you that I did not get the expected results and you turned around and said you saw my post and thanked me for propping up your company for being unique. I am keeping no secrets, I FLAT OUT said what I thought and it wasn't what I expected- not that IT WAS UNDERDOSED.

Something strange is happening here. A poster gives an honest review, repeats said review in private and then gets bashed by the owner in public.
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Also, I have no idea what you are talking about when you say you gave your reviews in private and then got bashed in public. You got bashed because of what you said publicly...both here and the other board. You were just more subtle here because you got your ass ripped by everyone on Pro M and figured you would try a different approach this time...but if these guys saw all your posts, in order, from both boards, it's pretty damn clear that you have have an ax to grind.
 
kisaj said:
Bro, your nuts, I haven't bought anything from you and have no idea what this other board is. I got a sample from a board member on here and posted up a 1, 2, and 3 cap review.

I'm done wasting energy on you and your annoyance with poor sales that you stated is happening in PM. I mean, if you want to get all savage and make up lies, post up our PMs so everyone can see how you act there and how you act here.
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I made a mistake. When you said at "PM" I thought you meant Pro Muscle. Regardless, it is what it is. There's not much else I have to say. Your comments about the product being overpriced was ignorant and unfounded...and as for your other comments, I've said enough.

I have no problem admitting that Vicaine sales are not doing nearly as well here as they are elsewhere...but overall sales are excellent. In fact, they've doubled in the last 2 weeks alone. This is one board. I like the board, but the company will press forward regardless because we sell awesome stuff. The people here just don't know what it is yet.
 
kisaj said:
Bro, your nuts, I haven't bought anything from you and have no idea what this other board is. I got a sample from a board member on here and posted up a 1, 2, and 3 cap review.

I'm done wasting energy on you and your annoyance with poor sales that you stated is happening in PM. I mean, if you want to get all savage and make up lies, post up our PMs so everyone can see how you act there and how you act here.
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That makes no sense. I was super cool to you in pm. I got pissed publicly. I think you have things confused. When you're trying to make someone look bad, you want to catch the person saying something nasty in pm and then acting like they're your buddy publicly...not the other way around. With the way it is now, I look genuine, but posting private, confidential information makes you look like an a-hole.
 
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Got my second bottle in. One is empty (the one I was sent to review) so, I'm just stuntin showing two bottles lol

Anyhow.
 
Update

****** FOLLOWING UPDATES ARE FROM A BOTTLE I PURCHASED*****

-Took three caps at 915am 2.5hr after my morning shake of MCT oil, protein and carbmaster milk

-had some neck pain from losing my scap tightness during my bench movement yesterday, ya that's gone.

-head buzz still comes on strong like the first dose

-effects came on 45min after dosing.

Will update later on speech fluidity, duration of effects (to see if it's declined since day one or remained the same).
 
Hey man great log so far! Quick question... have you been experiencing any short term memory loss with your Vicaine use? In the past when I was using tianeptine it seemed to killed my short term memory.

I have been using Vicaine myself for a few weeks and haven't noticed any memory impairment yet. I only use it a couple times a week and I was using tianeptine daily when I noticed that side effect in the past. I know you were using it daily. Any memory issues since starting it?
 
ELROCK said:
Hey man great log so far! Quick question... have you been experiencing any short term memory loss with your Vicaine use? In the past when I was using tianeptine it seemed to killed my short term memory.

I have been using Vicaine myself for a few weeks and haven't noticed any memory impairment yet. I only use it a couple times a week and I was using tianeptine daily when I noticed that side effect in the past. I know you were using it daily. Any memory issues since starting it?
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*forgets he has a log to post in*

lol
 
ELROCK said:
Hey man great log so far! Quick question... have you been experiencing any short term memory loss with your Vicaine use? In the past when I was using tianeptine it seemed to killed my short term memory.

I have been using Vicaine myself for a few weeks and haven't noticed any memory impairment yet. I only use it a couple times a week and I was using tianeptine daily when I noticed that side effect in the past. I know you were using it daily. Any memory issues since starting it?
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I can't say I've noticed any memory loss (short or long). However, I haven't dosed in two days and my mental processing speed is definitely slower. Been in a fog for most of the day as well... and generally in a groggy worn out feeling.
 
That would be expected as it is a normal side from tianpetine and finils. It'll go away after a few days. I can only take any form of finil once a week or I drag for days after. One day is fine.
 
kisaj said:
That would be expected as it is a normal side from tianpetine and finils. It'll go away after a few days. I can only take any form of finil once a week or I drag for days after. One day is fine.
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I took this twice at 3 caps... It hit pretty nice and after a few hours had a good underlying focused effect. But I got this terrible rebound depression both times. Do you have any thoughts on that. I figured it was the tianeptine being an antidepressant
 
Godstrength said:
I took this twice at 3 caps... It hit pretty nice and after a few hours had a good underlying focused effect. But I got this terrible rebound depression both times. Do you have any thoughts on that. I figured it was the tianeptine being an antidepressant
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I couldn't say in your situation what was causing it, but some people are very sensitive to tianpetine and keep in mind that the amounts being talked here are considerably higher than normal recommendations as to cause a euphoria. It's possible that is part of it, but generally that would happen after a longer period of use where withdrawal is common.

It is more likely related to Sunifiram which has been linked to depressed feelings after the stimulation wears off. It is not a well studied noot, but anecdotal belief is that this is caused by the increase in acetylcholine, which would make sense.

Best advice is to stop and if you want to try it again, start at a lower dose to assess.
 
kisaj said:
I couldn't say in your situation what was causing it, but some people are very sensitive to tianpetine and keep in mind that the amounts being talked here are considerably higher than normal recommendations as to cause a euphoria. It's possible that is part of it, but generally that would happen after a longer period of use where withdrawal is common.

It is more likely related to Sunifiram which has been linked to depressed feelings after the stimulation wears off. It is not a well studied noot, but anecdotal belief is that this is caused by the increase in acetylcholine, which would make sense.

Best advice is to stop and if you want to try it again, start at a lower dose to assess.
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Yeah I sold the bottle already. I liked the effects but not at the cost I had to pay afterwards. I think it will be a good supplement for some people just not for me
 
kisaj said:
That would be expected as it is a normal side from tianpetine and finils. It'll go away after a few days. I can only take any form of finil once a week or I drag for days after. One day is fine.
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Yup, I have noticed this with tianeptine and Modafinil.

Surprisingly, I haven't noticed this yet with Vicaine, but I haven't used it too often.
 
I'll close this log out.

Foot notes:
-Strong opioid feeling
-head buzz for an hr to two hours
-notice of a good bit of pain relief when I looked for it.
-clean, lasting focus with quick vocabulary recall
-no crash, wore off (after I figured out I needed to keep my regular caffeine consumption with the product)

I would buy this product again (I have already)

However, *if* you have a tendency to abuse anything similar to rec drugs then I would opt to NOT use this product.

Thanks for the product to log Mike and Wesley.
 
tyga tyga said:
I'll close this log out.

Foot notes:
-Strong opioid feeling
-head buzz for an hr to two hours
-notice of a good bit of pain relief when I looked for it.
-clean, lasting focus with quick vocabulary recall
-no crash, wore off (after I figured out I needed to keep my regular caffeine consumption with the product)

I would buy this product again (I have already)

However, *if* you have a tendency to abuse anything similar to rec drugs then I would opt to NOT use this product.

Thanks for the product to log Mike and Wesley.
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Great log bro!
 
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