Cruise/Blast Compound questions

[Brandinooooo]

As some of you know, I decided to cruise and then blast again instead of PCT this summer. I just finished my Tren and have dropped down to a TRT dose of test (150mg/week). I ran Tren with Dbol as a starter and Epistane as a finisher.

My question is, do I need to change compounds when I blast again or can I run Tren again?

 

[Dma378]

You can run whatever you want man. What will your goals be? I think that will help answer the question.

 

[Brandinooooo]

You can run whatever you want man. What will your goals be? I think that will help answer the question.

Hey! Its been a long time bro!

Ok thats what I figured. Just continuing my recomp. The Tren treated me really well but the Epistane didn't do much. So I'm staying away from DHT compounds.

Any idea on something to run along side it for recomp?

 

[Dma378]

Hey! Its been a long time bro!

Ok thats what I figured. Just continuing my recomp. The Tren treated me really well but the Epistane didn't do much. So I'm staying away from DHT compounds.

Any idea on something to run along side it for recomp?

Staying away from DHT...hmmmm. Sure love Test/Tren/Mast if you're going with Tren again. Thought about NPP?

My curiosity always had me trying new stuff from cycle to cycle.

 

[Brandinooooo]

Staying away from DHT...hmmmm. Sure love Test/Tren/Mast if you're going with Tren again. Thought about NPP?

My curiosity always had me trying new stuff from cycle to cycle.

That's how I am. I love trying new things.

I just don't really respond to DHT compounds. DMZ, Epistane, etc didn't do much for me. I haven't tried Mast but I've heard its great with Tren.

Ive thought about NPP but the libido side scares me.

 

[Dma378]

That's how I am. I love trying new things.

I just don't really respond to DHT compounds. DMZ, Epistane, etc didn't do much for me. I havrnt tried Mast but have heard its great with Tren.

Ive thought about NPP but the libido side scares me.

Legit Caber will cure the libido concerns. It never effected my libido when I ran it with .5mg Caber e4d at 500mg NPP per week.

Test 350
NPP 500
Mast 500
EQ 600
Adex 1mg e4d
Cab .5mg e4d

Just using my cycle as an example, but you could easily run something similar without the EQ

 

[Chados]

I mean tren will get you so much that epi probably won't do anything cause you reach somewhat a limit when your body says okey enough growing for now let's rest. I don't really know why you would go for epi at all with tren? I mean that just seems like a waste of money.

I think tren is by far enough and I think think pct would be good. there's nothing that beats tren and I personally would add primo, eq or masteron depending on your bodyfat if I had to add anything..Tbol and winstrol are also great. Deca is a nono with tren and dbol I just dont like at all except for strenght. Anadrol probably the best but also kinda harsh. I would stick with tren only but that's me.

 

[Brandinooooo]

Legit Caber will cure the libido concerns. It never effected my libido when I ran it with .5mg Caber e4d at 500mg NPP per week.

Test 350
NPP 500
Mast 500
EQ 600
Adex 1mg e4d
Cab .5mg e4d

Just using my cycle as an example, but you could easily run something similar without the EQ

Doesnt Caber have some crappy side effects? Or am I thinking of something else?

EQ is an option. I haven't ran it yet since it has to be ran for so long.

I mean tren will get you so much that epi probably won't do anything cause you reach somewhat a limit when your body says okey enough growing for now let's rest. I don't really know why you would go for epi at all with tren? I mean that just seems like a waste of money.

I think tren is by far enough and I think think pct would be good. there's nothing that beats tren and I personally would add primo, eq or masteron depending on your bodyfat if I had to add anything..Tbol and winstrol are also great. Deca is a nono with tren and dbol I just dont like at all except for strenght. Anadrol probably the best but also kinda harsh. I would stick with tren only but that's me.

I used the Epi to lean out a little more. It was my first time running Tren so I had no idea that it would lean me out as much as it did.

But I'm avoiding DHT compounds like I mentioned above.

 

[Chados]

Eq I would assune could add help with stamina issues caused by tren. Yeah tren is crazy any route you wanna go and I don't really see the need to add much more

 

[Dma378]

Doesnt Caber have some crappy side effects? Or am I thinking of something else?

EQ is an option. I haven't ran it yet since it has to be ran for so long.

You're probably thinking of Prami. Yeah, I can't take Prami, the smallest possible starting dose doesn't treat me very well at all. Caber has never given me a single noticeable side effect.

 

[Brandinooooo]

Eq I would assune could add stamina issues caused by tren. Yeah tren is crazy any route you wanna go and I don't really see the need to add much more

I didnt get any stamina issues from Tren like a lot of people do. But then again, I don't really have issues with sides.

You're probably thinking of Prami. Yeah, I can't take Prami, the smallest possible starting dose doesn't treat me very well at all. Caber has never given me a single noticeable side effect.

Yeah I think your right. Cause I remember the sides being pretty unbearable for some. I have some Pharma Prami or Letro. Cant remember. Ill have to check but it was for the possible Tren prolactin sides.

 

[Nac]

How long you cruising til you hit the next blast?

 

[Brandinooooo]

How long you cruising til you hit the next blast?

I was thinking 6-7 weeks.

 

[Nac]

I was thinking 6-7 weeks.

Have you considered dropping kcals (CHO specifically) for the last 4 or so leading into the blast?

 

[Brandinooooo]

Have you considered dropping kcals (CHO specifically) for the last 4 or so leading into the blast?

I haven't. How much are talking about?

 

[Nac]

I haven't. How much are talking about?

Thats up to you. Ill give you the gist of the idea, and you decide the specifics.

The idea is what others have referred to as "priming". Think of a competitor who depletes themselves, their glycogen, for a period prior to comp day. They finish their comp, smash the carbs again...and subsequently grow like fuk.

Now we dont have to go to the same extremes, because the general principle remains. Drop carb intake for 4+ weeks. You can carb cycle, with refeeds every 4 or so days. But what you want to be doing is setting yourself up for a maximal anabolic environment. This will occur when you reintroduce high carb amounts that coincide with your blast.

Youll grow like a fuker.

The extra beauty of your scenario is that the trt should minimise muscle catabolism. Obviously, keep PRO up and adequate.

The basic idea is to starve your muscles, in a sense, then when they are most receptive and saturatable increase CHO and AAS intake. You dont have to go nuts either, as long as you transition from a "low" to a "higher" amount.

 

[Chados]

I meant eq will prevent the issue not that it will make it worse

 

[Brandinooooo]

I meant eq will prevent the issue not that it will make it worse

Yeah I understood what you meant

Thats up to you. Ill give you the gist of the idea, and you decide the specifics.

The idea is what others have referred to as "priming". Think of a competitor who depletes themselves, their glycogen, for a period prior to comp day. They finish their comp, smash the carbs again...and subsequently grow like fuk.

Now we dont have to go to the same extremes, because the general principle remains. Drop carb intake for 4+ weeks. You can carb cycle, with refeeds every 4 or so days. But what you want to be doing is setting yourself up for a maximal anabolic environment. This will occur when you reintroduce high carb amounts that coincide with your blast.

Youll grow like a fuker.

The extra beauty of your scenario is that the trt should minimise muscle catabolism. Obviously, keep PRO up and adequate.

The basic idea is to starve your muscles, in a sense, then when they are most receptive and saturatable increase CHO and AAS intake. You dont have to go nuts either, as long as you transition from a "low" to a "higher" amount.

Oh ok. Ill try that

 

[Nac]

Oh ok. Ill try that

This is the idea, if you are interested in a more eloquent presentation:

Priming for Growth

1. First, there are many compounds that help promote anabolism w/ varying degrees of effectiveness by themselevs and in concert w/ other compounds. No matter what choice you make you will want to get the most out of any anabolic phase...priming before a cycle will help maxamize your gains.
   
2. Priming is simply putting your body in a state that opens the anabolic window...in a state where the body is demanding to grow. The body has various mechanisms it employs to create a balance and when things are unbalanced it does things to achieve that balance again. That is why it is difficult to make gains when you are fighting the body's natural tendency. The best gains are made when you move in the direction the body wants to go.
   
3. Priming is achieved by dieting for about 6-8 weeks. The diet should not be extreme because you do not want the body to ever think it is starving. The idea is to lose about a pound of fat per week. Calories are therefore only a little below maintenance, carbs can be cycled...the idea again is to reduce your bodyfat percentage. Some people use drugs or compounds during priming but if you do keep it mild and try not to lose more than 1.5 pounds per week.
   
4. At the end of this dieting/priming period your body is in a state where it is ready for anabolism. It wants to grow, it wants nutrients to be shuttled into lean tissue, etc. So you immediately switch gears, without even a transition day and go into your anabolic/bulking cycle.

Anabolic Bulking Cycle

1. On day one there should be anabolic substances in your body. If you are using long estered steroids than you should start them before you finish the diet and front load. If the steroid is quicker acting you don't need as much lead time. The point is the anabolics should be built up to a high level so that on day one of the bulk you are ready to grow.
   
2. During this period you need to maxamize the protein and overall amount of food you eat and take advantage of nutrient timing - i.e. maxamize pre-workout, during workout and post workout nutrition; workouts should be spot on and designed properly, etc.
   
3. If you choose to take steroids the dosage should be high enough to saturate the most receptors.

 

[Chados]

That sounds more like a get ripped and skinny then do steroids. The biggest reason you grow from this is because you've lost a little muscles, fat and water that carbs are known to store, and the fact that you're under your normal weight. I see the results being more drastically in the beginning but I don't see you look bigger in the end if you're not supposedly really out of shape before you start priming , cause we all know that the visible results will be different on a lean guy if you're on steroids.. I see the point in shocking the body though.

 

[Nac]

Get ripped and skinny? Lol k brah

Youve obviously read and comprehended things very excellently.

In the words of someone far wiser than me:

Going from cutting to bulking alone creates an opportunity for huge growth and improvement while staying lean.

Just commit to hard cuts for 4-8 weeks at a time and toggle back to a caloric surplus with heavy carbs. Seriously, this is the secret to how bodybuilders get so big and lean over time. Just competing by default leads to this result.

And you dont have to do an aggressive cut. Just eat a little less than maintanence if you want.

 

[Chados]

What I mean is that you loose your ordinary bodyweight to put it back on and I don't see the need personally but I can see the point for someone that should loose a little fat before a cycle

 

[Brandinooooo]

Get ripped and skinny? Lol k brah

Youve obviously read and comprehended things very excellently.

In the words of someone far wiser than me:



And you dont have to do an aggressive cut. Just eat a little less than maintanence if you want.

I drop weight like no other barely below maintenance.

What I mean is that you loose your ordinary bodyweight to put it back on and I don't see the need personally but I can see the point for someone that should loose a little fat before a cycle

I go over my old weight when I lose some and then go back up. But like I said above, I lose major weight with less calories.

 

[Nac]

I drop weight like no other barely below maintenance.

I go over my old weight when I lose some and then go back up. But like I said above, I lose major weight with less calories.

As long as your deficit is not too aggressive, you wont lose muscle tissue. This will be different than a natty "cut", given the test youre using and likely lower cortisol.

If youre worried, and can be bothered, try cycling your carbs.