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M-Sten

buakaw93

buakaw93

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Hi, soon I will begin this cycle for a recomp:
Cycle:
M-Sten 10/10/20/20/20/30
4-Andro 330/330/330/330/330/330
11-KT 250/250/250/250/250/250

On Cycle:
Ar1macare Pro 8/8/8/8/8/8
TUDCA 500/500/500/500/500/500
Orange Triad
Omega 3
Super Cissus

PCT:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Sup3r PCT 10/10/10/10
Exemestane 0/0/0 / 12.5 / 12.5
TUDCA

I have already ordered everything and will arrive for days, let me know what you think.
 
Looks good, no need for exemestane in PCT, only use if you feel you need,m. No need to crash you E after a cycle if it's not high! Also I'd save the TUDCA you have in your pct too, if you're worried about you liver, get bloods, but honestly you'll be fine
 
My first thought is that this is a waste of perfectly good 11-KT.

What do you wish to see from the 11 amongst the effects of the M-Sten? Also curious the brand of M-Sten.
 
You're wasting the 11kt, it will be severely outshined by the m test. It may have its place if you are trying to cut, but in that case epiandro would be a much better option than the 4 andro
 
Not to hijack, but would msten, 4 andro and epiandro be a solid cycle? Looking into running m sten on my next cycle, and was looking into trest, but i dont like the idea of the methyl estrogen conversion so im trying to stick with a "safer" test base. Im currently running 1 4 epi andro stack, and no lethargy or libido loss so i know 4 andro and epiandro treat me well. My only question is how would that cycle be with m sten instead of 1 andro?

I also have read most people dont do more than 4 weeks of m sten, and since andros take about 3 to 4 weeks to "kick in", idk if they would serve their purpose as test base/DHT base for such a short cycle. Or like the OP posted, i noticed hes going to run msten for 6 weeks. Is there nothing wrong with 6 week run of m sten for first ever methlyated cycle? Any words of wisdom would be appreciated

Also, what is better to run on cycle ar1imicare pro or kingsguard? They look very similar but wondering if one had an advantage over the other? Obviously run extra TUDCA with either one
 
ZachH said:
Not to hijack, but would msten, 4 andro and epiandro be a solid cycle? Looking into running m sten on my next cycle, and was looking into trest, but i dont like the idea of the methyl estrogen conversion so im trying to stick with a "safer" test base. Im currently running 1 4 epi andro stack, and no lethargy or libido loss so i know 4 andro and epiandro treat me well. My only question is how would that cycle be with m sten instead of 1 andro?

I also have read most people dont do more than 4 weeks of m sten, and since andros take about 3 to 4 weeks to "kick in", idk if they would serve their purpose as test base/DHT base for such a short cycle. Or like the OP posted, i noticed hes going to run msten for 6 weeks. Is there nothing wrong with 6 week run of m sten for first ever methlyated cycle? Any words of wisdom would be appreciated

Also, what is better to run on cycle ar1imicare pro or kingsguard? They look very similar but wondering if one had an advantage over the other? Obviously run extra TUDCA with either one
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4 andro would be wasted in a short run in my eyes, epi has a super short half life and works real quick hence people using it PreWO and could help offset some of the side of the msten. I'd look into a DHEA cream though, like dermacrine or super DHEA. Won't do much for gains but will quickly help stave off SOME sides. So epi/dermacrine/msten.
If you feel fine, 6 weeks is good, some people can't handle the sides, some people have none.
I'd say kings guard but it's personal preference, have more tudca on hand but don't chuck it in unless you feel you need it, like say if your appetite completely dies and an extra 250 and go from there.
 
As timing what is recommended for M-Sten? I had thought to take it pre-wo, then when I go to 20 mg: breakfast and pre-wo, 30 mg: breakfast, lunch and pre-wo
 
buakaw93 said:
As timing what is recommended for M-Sten? I had thought to take it pre-wo, then when I go to 20 mg: breakfast and pre-wo, 30 mg: breakfast, lunch and pre-wo
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I always shoot for my levels being as stable as I can get them. M-Sten has a half life of 6hrs.

Two pills 12hrs apart, 3 pills 8hrs apart. That's what I would do.
 
I'm almost at the third week and so far all right, tonight unfortunately I got fever. Do you say that it is best to avoid taking drugs to not weigh the liver?
 
buakaw93 said:
I'm almost at the third week and so far all right, tonight unfortunately I got fever. Do you say that it is best to avoid taking drugs to not weigh the liver?
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Avoid NSAIDs and alcohol while on methyls, just take some vitamin c and sty hydrated etc.
 
Watch out for lethargy in week 3 due to M-sten

I felt like a zombie in the 3rd week of M-Sten cycle and I was only taking 20 mg per day
 
Perhaps the high fever comes from an inflammation in the throat, tomorrow I will go to the doctor. When does an antibiotic prescribe me, can I use it?
 
buakaw93 said:
Beyond the fever, I have difficulty swallowing and bruising my throat, zero appetite, fatigue
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Appetite and fatigue could be a result of liver toxicity; I'm not a doctor, so maybe consider mentioning it to your doctor? If you do, make sure he keeps it to himself imo
 
AnabolicGuru said:
Appetite and fatigue could be a result of liver toxicity; I'm not a doctor, so maybe consider mentioning it to your doctor? If you do, make sure he keeps it to himself imo
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Even with ar1macare pro and an extra 500 of tudca like he posted liver toxicity is still possible at only 3 weeks of usage?
 
ZachH said:
Even with ar1macare pro and an extra 500 of tudca like he posted liver toxicity is still possible at only 3 weeks of usage?
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Chances probably aren't that high, I just thought it was worth mentioning. His best bet is to talk to his doctor about it because none of us are physicians and we cant physically see his symptoms
 
I thought I read something before that said when you are taking something that is keeping your body anabolic and focusing all of its energy towards making more muscle, it tends to lower the immune system and make you more susceptible to picking up a bug.

Could simply be ****ty timing.
 
nubioso said:
I thought I read something before that said when you are taking something that is keeping your body anabolic and focusing all of its energy towards making more muscle, it tends to lower the immune system and make you more susceptible to picking up a bug.

Could simply be ****ty timing.
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I've heard similar
 
Here's a little tidbit I found with just a little bit of searching on the effects of anabolic steroids on immune system function. It makes sense realistically.

"Androgenic anabolic steroids (AAS) are synthetic derivatives of the male hormone testosterone. AAS are used by athletes and recreational users of all ages to enhance their athletic performance and/or physical appearance. While several adverse effects of AAS abuse have been described, their effect on the immune system has not been clearly elucidated. The literature generally indicates that supraphysiologic doses of AAS with an intact steroid nucleus are immunosuppressive, that is they reduce immune cell number and function. While those with alterations to the steroid nucleus are immunostimulatory as they induce the proliferation of T cells and other immune cells. Specifically, several common AAS have been shown to adversely influence lymphocyte differentiation and proliferation, antibody production, Natural Killer Cytotoxic activity and the production of certain cytokines, thereby altering the immune reaction. These effects may be profound and long lasting depending on the dosing regime, types or combinations of AAS used and the extent and duration of AAS abuse. Nevertheless, the effects of long term use of supraphysiologic doses of AAS on the immune system remain uncertain."
 
The group is headed towards my train of thought as well. The first thing that popped into my head is something like shingles, chicken pox, herpes in the throat. Typically dormant virus that pops up when immune system is compromised and are common in the throat and nasal passages. ...Not a diagnosis, just an internet guess.
 
I went to the doctor and told me I got a tonsillitis. I have to take an antibiotic that would be Augmentin. M-Sten from today I had to start with 20 mg but I will stay at 10 mg or recommend stopping for a couple of days?
 
I decided to remove M-Sten for a week, the antibiotic I will have to take it for 5 days. Instead, 4-Andro and 11-KT will continue to take
 
Hi to all friends, I finally got back and tomorrow I will start training again and I will resume M-Sten after a week of detachment. It ranges from 20 mg, I had to start this dosage already last Monday.
 
Hi, I almost finished the cycle and everything is fine. I wanted to ask you what I can replace the Sup3r PCT, now it's not available anywhere.
 
buakaw93 said:
Hi, I almost finished the cycle and everything is fine. I wanted to ask you what I can replace the Sup3r PCT, now it's not available anywhere.
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Sup3r PCT is still available.

I just got some from Amazon a couple weeks ago. Strong supplement shop has some too
 
Seems weird you can get King's blood, but not Sup3r PCT when it's made by the same company.

King's blood would be better than nothing I suppose, but since it doesn't have any DAA (D-Aspartic Acid) you'll probably want to pick up some of that as well and run about 3g per day, split across 2 dosages at the same time you take the king's blood.
 
In the end I found the Sup3r PCT. However today was the last day of the cycle, I'm really happy with M-Sten, strength has increased a lot and loads have increased accordingly. I put 6 kg of lean mass and lowered the BF very much, boats everywhere I did not have before and fibers more in sight, and counting the diet that was less than 3,000 calories and the one-week stop causes tonsillitis and fever, I can say that Has gone very well.
 
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