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First Methyl Cycle - MSten/1/4/epi??

nubioso

nubioso

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Bear with me, a little back story is needed since I'm new.

I've been researching AAS/PH's for the last 6-7 months or so. Lifting about 3 years total. I'm 33. 5'11, 215lbs and probably 20-25% body fat. Yes, I realize that's pretty high compared to a lot of you guys who are shredded, but please understand, up until I was 30 years old I was a lazy son of a bitch and had been overweight my entire life. I originally went from 280lbs of no muscle, down to 180lbs changing my waist line from 44' to 36' where it currently remains despite going from 180's to my now 215.

I have 2 PH cycles under my belt with the first being with 1/4 andro at a small 150mg for 4 weeks as it was my very first run and wanted to see how things would react. Despite it being a small dosage and short time, I put in 6 days a week training and ate big, and clean, and felt like I put on quite a bit of strength that stayed after my PCT. I had the standard joint support, on cycle support with blockade, arimistane, Sup3r PCT coming off, etc.. felt great. I've never been an "alpha-male" type, always the introvert nerd in school, etc.. so I think my body responded well to the boost of testosterone and whatnot.

Second one was Osta at 25mg with Epiandro while cutting which I"m currently finishing. I've really enjoyed how I've felt. Libido is insanely high and has been for going on 6 weeks now. Considering the calories I'm down to, strength is remaining pretty solid, weight going down, definition coming through.

Now...on to the main part. The Msten....Yes, I've done my research. I can't post links, but I've already gone through the various Msten posts around here including one on cycle length and one running a similar stack but using 11-keto.

I promise I have tried to do as much research as possible, and I'm definitely open minded to other research sources. I strictly mean information/reading material there, not 'sources' for research chemicals. Just wanted to clarify.

I'm looking at running this in a few months after finishing up my current PCT and giving my body a rest. Just wanted thoughts on this stack:

M-Sten: 10/10/20/20/20/20 (6 weeks too long for a first methyl cycle, or should I anticipate 4 and see how I'm feeling?)
1-Andro: 330/330/330/330/330/330/330/330
4-Andro: 330/330/330/330/330/330/330/330
Epiandro: 300/300/300/300/300/300/300/300 (Should I get a second bottle and double this? I see guys talking about doing 1g)
Ar1macare Pro for on cycle support. Has tudca as well as arimistane for an AI.
Joint Support

PCT
Nolva - 30/20/20/10
Sup3r PCT by OL

I've found some research suggesting a lower dose of 4-andro due to 1 and 4 using the same enzyme to convert to their respective chemicals....any thoughts on this?

I would mainly like to hear from folks who have experience with Msten specifically. I plan on getting bloodwork done before I start this which will probably be something like 4 months from now. I just wanted to get an idea on whether or not this was too many things at once and if it was overkill with the 4 and the epi? I figured I'd do both since I hear Msten is pretty intense, and the 1-andro definitely needs a strong base. Currently I can attest that epiandro jives well with my body and makes me feel good so I thought it'd make a good base with the 4-andro acting as a base and bringing in the wet gains.


Also, although I am open to suggestions please keep in mind there are always legal barriers to overcome on obtaining certain things and I am not open to pinning. Trest, for example, is something I see suggested a lot, but I cannot find it, nor am I asking for help on that. Just advice on the above stuff.

Thanks in advance!
 
Arimistane isn't an AI. Don't rely on it. Have at least an RC AI on hand.
I ran MSten all the way to 30mg when I cycled it. It's a fun ride. I do recommend getting your BF% down to 15 or below before running it or any compound. I'm of the belief that unless your diet and training are perfect you shouldn't be running any anabolic.

I don't recommend running the 1 and 4 andros with it. Just the EpiAndro. No reason to. EpiAndro will be a fine test base if you run it at 750 to 1000.

But like I said, get your body fat down to at least 15%. Then you'll really see What the anabolic can do.
 
Thanks for the reply!

I've seen someone else ask about the 15% body fat deal because they were at 18%. Some agreed, some said nonsense. I know that higher body fat percentage = higher estrogen among other things.

My diet is always on point. I'd say the main reason for not being down further in body fat is due to not incorporating enough cardio into my training and focusing primarily on lifting, getting exercising via hiking the mountains in the summer. I figured it would be advantageous to build some solid muscle with proper training and diet which generally leads to some level of fat loss as well.

The reason I was going with the 1/4 andros was mainly because I wanted to go out to 8 weeks total with the mindset that the andros won't kick in until weeks 3 or 4, right when I'll possibly be ending the Msten. Seemed to be a decently popular stack when doing some googling. Do you think is still a waste with that, or just put the extra money into the Epiandros and sticking to the Msten for 6 weeks instead of 4?

So many damn decisions and things to think about!

As far as the AI and arimistane. Again, one of those things that I don't know what to think because some people say nonsense, some say they swear by it. Googling it, it comes up as an effective suicidal AI. Do you recommend I have Exemestane on hand instead? Because I can get my hands on that. Thanks for the advice on this part.

I wasn't sure I wanted to go all the way up to 30mg at any point since it's my first run with all this. What did your week by week dosage look like when you did that?

Thanks again for your input!
 
Here's my review on my msten cycle

LAH813 said:
Hey guys, been a lurker here and participant in the supplement auctions for a bit but never really posted much.
My back ground is I'm 27 years old, 5'11, 190lbs
Recently(for the last 3weeks) have been running MSten(don't kill me I forgot the brand) it's my first run of msten. I've ran other compounds in the past but this is my first run of this PH. So I figured I'd give my little review/results post.
Like I said I just finished with week3 so I am in my 4th and final week of the compound. My cycles has looked as follows..

20/20/30/30 as far as the MSten goes. I've seen people run it anywhere from 10 to 40. I ran arimistane while on cycle for cortisol help and will continue it during pct. (I don't feel that arimistane is a good AI but I do like its effect on cortisol). I had a pharma grade AI on hand for estrogenic sides.

During cycle I also utilized fish oil, a multi, taurine, magnesium, and an all in one on cycle support
During pct I will use Tudca and 5% nutritions liver and organ for my liver support.
I'll also run Clomid for pct.

Now the meat and potatoes..
Coming in to the cycle my goal was to drop BF and gain muscle. Recomp. I came in weighing 176lbs at 11% BF. After 3 weeks I am 190lb at 10.4%. So I feel that I've more than achieved my goal.

All together I feel that MSten is a great PH for a recomp. I don't feel like you get the huge weight and mass gains like a DMZ or SDrol. But I do feel like I have gotten good strength and lean muscle gains. As far as diet goes I've followed a 3,000 calorie a day "bro diet"

Sides: for the first two weeks I could feel my blood pressure. Which may sound weird but it almost felt like my eyeballs were popping out. Bad headaches. And the back pumps were nasty. Added in some supplementation and the sides subsided. Other than that the only other side I had was aggression. Which is good in the gym but at home I had to be mindful of it. I have a foul temper anyway and this cycle just increased it haha.
No nipple sensitivity or libido problems whatsoever.

In the gym I saw increases in all four major lifts and I just felt all around Stronger. My endurance I the gym was insane.

Sleeping on this was odd. I would have very vivid dreams. Slept hard though.

So all in all I have to say this has been a successful cycle. And I even have a week left of it. Hopefully this post can help someone out. Hope you all enjoyed it! This is my first post of this type so take it easy on me haha.
Have a good one guys.
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Nice dude, sounds like a pretty fantastic cycle for you! Just can't decide if I want to do 4 weeks with a higher dosage like you did, or 6 weeks running a lower dosage and MAYBE hittin 30 on the final week.

If by "Bro diet" you mean chicken breast, rice, oats, eggs, etc...then that's basically what I eat every day.

You run a base with that?
 
nubioso said:
Nice dude, sounds like a pretty fantastic cycle for you! Just can't decide if I want to do 4 weeks with a higher dosage like you did, or 6 weeks running a lower dosage and MAYBE hittin 30 on the final week.

If by "Bro diet" you mean chicken breast, rice, oats, eggs, etc...then that's basically what I eat every day.

You run a base with that?
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I didn't run a base. If I run it again I will run it with a base like trest or EpiAndro. The lethargy is real with it.
 
Like the guy up there said ^^^^^ just do 20-30mgs of msten with 1g of epistane I've done this exact cycle and it was really good dry lean gains and grear strength gains as well have a real ai on hand incase I didn't need one but everyone is different have fun!
 
Ninja23 said:
Like the guy up there said ^^^^^ just do 20-30mgs of msten with 1g of epistane I've done this exact cycle and it was really good dry lean gains and grear strength gains as well have a real ai on hand incase I didn't need one but everyone is different have fun!
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EpiAndro not epistane. Don't do 1g of epistane please
 
Sorry to jump on here but what do you guys think of adding msten on the tail end of a 1 andro/epiandro cycle? Like I'm 3 weeks in on both and was thinking of throwing in msten for the last 4 weeks. Also, would epiandro act as a good ai? Or would you also recommend I have aromasin on hand too
 
Always have aromasin on hand brother and msten is a dry compound like epiandro so you most likely won't need it I'd save it for a different run the msten will overpower the 1 andro so it'll be a waste of 1 andro
 
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