What The Health documentary

Johnston

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Has anyone seen this? I saw it on Netflix last night and found it extremely compelling and thought provoking. Well worth a watch...

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There are a few aspects of the science that I am slightly skeptical of, worthy of a bit more research I feel, but I don't think it's possible to come away from this without some significant concerns about how many of us eat.
 
Ha, watched it last night as well.

VERY eye opening! I mean, a majority of it doesn't surprise me in the least, but to actually see and confirm what we always suspect is alarming in itself.

I will be watching this again.
 
Indeed. I am in the UK, so much of the issues with antibiotics in meat etc. is a non-issue for us, but that aside it's still given me A LOT to think about.
 
See I'm from the standpoint, that if one thing doesn't kill you something else will.

If we refuse to eat from arised fear from all the warnings we are given, we would all die from starvation.

The thing that really disturbs me is the relationships between these corporations with monetary investments in the organizations that are designed to protect and educate consumers on their health.

The Medicine Machine is designed to prolong lives of the sick. Theres no money made from the "cure".

Greed is the ultimate population control and in the end may be our demise as a civilization. The sad part is watching it happen and theres nothing you can do about it.
 
See I'm from the standpoint, that if one thing doesn't kill you something else will.

If we refuse to eat from arised fear from all the warnings we are given, we would all die from starvation.

The thing that really disturbs me is the relationships between these corporations with monetary investments in the organizations that are designed to protect and educate consumers on their health.

The Medicine Machine is designed to prolong lives of the sick. Theres no money made from the "cure".

Greed is the ultimate population control and in the end may be our demise as a civilization. The sad part is watching it happen and theres nothing you can do about it.

Very well said and I agree with you 100%.
 
Yes I agree with that. As mentioned in the docu though, we all die, no stopping that. But that doesn't mean we should take a devil may care attitude towards living our lives, as though it's a game of Russian roulette... I know you're not suggesting that though, nor would many on this forum I suspect, but I've encountered plenty of people who do think that way. The focus SHOULD be on living well and healthy for as long as possible. I recall reading a statistic a while ago that stated how more money in the medical/care sector is spent on keeping the average person alive in their single last year than in every cumulative year preceding. I've seen family members and friends suffer over a prolonged period of time with the effects of cancer, stroke and general ill health, and it's not something I'd wish on anyone. And again, as the docu touched on, there is nothing that even comes close to nutrition in terms of its impact on our destiny... it trumps exercise and even genetics.
 
I don't want to be typing a novel so I'm going to try my best to respond in bullet form:
-meat is not evil. The quality of meat is important. A lot of the carcinogens from processed meats come drone the nitrates. Get un cured. We do eat more than we need I'll bet.
-I have zero fcking clue how fat causes diabetes like they said. It's literally the only macro that doesn't effect blood sugar. People wear out the beta cells in the pancreas from demanding too much insulin, then become insulin resistant.
-ketogenic diets can regernate beta cells and reverse type 2 diabetes. If fat caused diabetes then the keto clan eating 70% fat would all be diabetic AF.
-fat type/quality matters: oxidized or processed fats are inflammatory. Think omega 6,3 ratio.
-fat insulates our myelin sheaths helping with the conduction of our cns
-if you take a sick person that consumes 90% micronutrient void/processed sht diet and put them on a micronutrients rich diet they will very much feel better.
-big agriculture(plants) is just as destructive as dairy/meat. Anything living is supposed to be part of an ecosystem and whenever something is isolated and mass produced and flooded with chemicals, plants/animals, it will become unhealthy.
-running marathons trains the beat to beat variability out of your heart and sustains cortisol/stress hormones very high for an extended period of time=not healthy.
-muscle mass index is a very strong indicator for longevity.
-dairy that is processed is inflammatory. The protein is denatured and all the living probitotics/digestive enzymes are killed in the pasteurization. Raw milk from Grassfed cows is a better option.
-milk has a ton of sugar in it and would cause diabetes more so than their fat argument.
-I want to see data for someone treated for any illness with white rice and sugar.
-the connections between big industry and the medical societies is sad but not surprising.
-the elites want us sick, dumb, tired, and dependent so we are more controllable.
-cholesterol(unoxidized) is the building blocks for many hormones. Again, not evil.

I suggest "what's with wheat" on Netflix to open your eyes to big agriculture.

Dave Asprey has put together the best diet infographic imaginable. I trust his advice because he runs a
Large anti aging clinic and is OCD about the science and data.
 
-meat is not evil. The quality of meat is important. A lot of the carcinogens from processed meats come drone the nitrates. Get un cured. We do eat more than we need I'll bet.
-I have zero fcking clue how fat causes diabetes like they said. It's literally the only macro that doesn't effect blood sugar. People wear out the beta cells in the pancreas from demanding too much insulin, then become insulin resistant.
-ketogenic diets can regernate beta cells and reverse type 2 diabetes. If fat caused diabetes then the keto clan eating 70% fat would all be diabetic AF.
-fat type/quality matters: oxidized or processed fats are inflammatory. Think omega 6,3 ratio.
-fat insulates our myelin sheaths helping with the conduction of our cns
-if you take a sick person that consumes 90% micronutrient void/processed sht diet and put them on a micronutrients rich diet they will very much feel better.
-big agriculture(plants) is just as destructive as dairy/meat. Anything living is supposed to be part of an ecosystem and whenever something is isolated and mass produced and flooded with chemicals, plants/animals, it will become unhealthy.
-running marathons trains the beat to beat variability out of your heart and sustains cortisol/stress hormones very high for an extended period of time=not healthy.
-muscle mass index is a very strong indicator for longevity.
-dairy that is processed is inflammatory. The protein is denatured and all the living probitotics/digestive enzymes are killed in the pasteurization. Raw milk from Grassfed cows is a better option.
-milk has a ton of sugar in it and would cause diabetes more so than their fat argument.
-I want to see data for someone treated for any illness with white rice and sugar.
-the connections between big industry and the medical societies is sad but not surprising.
-the elites want us sick, dumb, tired, and dependent so we are more controllable.
-cholesterol(unoxidized) is the building blocks for many hormones. Again, not evil.

Valid points for sure, and there was some bad science presented, or rather complete lack in some cases. I was rather skeptical of the fat causes diabetes argument, not something I've heard before or ever seen evidence of personally... and they went even further by pretty much encouraging people to keep piling down the sugar!! Yeah, that's going to end well. It didn't even make sense, given we know people don't eat sugar in isolation. Sugar on its own is not desirable for the most part... with the exception of sugary drinks, but more often it's the combination with fat, one that doesn't occur naturally, that hits those 'FEED ME MORE' centers of our brain.

It was frustrating to see no discussion as to Omega 3/6 imbalance in the American diet, which is just woeful in that regard and a MAJOR cause of inflammation which leads to a whole host of issues. Again, completely ignored and the blame simply thrown in meat's direction.

The claim that eating fat gets stored as fat made me laugh. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that one had LONG since been debunked. All that stuff about eggs and cholesterol again seemed nonsensical with no evidence supporting it, and also another of those crackpot theories I thought had long since been proven false.

The maligning of cholesterol was another annoyance... we NEED it as you say. 25% of our brain is cholesterol. Remove it from our bodies and we'd die. It is essential, yet there was no mention of the different types of HDL, LDL or any of the complexties, it was just cholesterol = bad, don't eat eggs! Ridiculous.

I also don't hear of many fit, lean and strong people presenting with clogged arteries and heart disease, but I am no doctor so I cannot comment on that one with any real knowledge of the stats. Everyone I've ever known or heard of with heart problems related to lifestyle, namely diet, generally don't look all that great.

It's a shame, because some of the content was very compelling, particularly the pig farms in North Carolina and the impact that had on the locals. Really quite shocking actually. Not that the filmmakers actually seemed that bothered about trying to do anything about it. The monetary connections with the likes of the Diabetes Association, American Heart Association etc. were also extremely alarming, but as you say, not that surprising in the world we live today.
 
Making me think about doing a whole food challenge and only eat the following foods:

Sweet potatoes
Berries
Chicken/fish
Grassfed beef
Eggs
Broccoli
Green beans
Celery
Spinach
Butter/coconut oil
Nuts

All organic. Lower carb except lift days. Do I have any major gaps? Any recommendations?
 
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