Please help 41 year old dad chose first PH cycle

Cb777

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To much info for a noob like me to decide.
Not looking to crush the liver or dry out. What can I expect when comparing to natty stack,( dpol,animal,erase pro etc.).
Pct suggestions are appreciated.
Any sites, logs and other info will help as well.
Thank you.
 
Not really sure what the question is or what your goals are. If you would like help I would suggest taking the time to get into detail about your stats and what it is your trying to do
 
Cb777 said:
To much info for a noob like me to decide.
Not looking to crush the liver or dry out. What can I expect when comparing to natty stack,( dpol,animal,erase pro etc.).
Pct suggestions are appreciated.
Any sites, logs and other info will help as well.
Thank you.
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Start out by posting up your stats and goals my man
 
Like chris said, we need more info. Stats, goals, lifting experience etc. Also, this is just my humble opinion but if you are gonna cross that line into the dark side, might as well go all the way and not tip toe with prohormones. Im personally not a fan especially for beginners. Certain ones do have their place, but as accessories to advanced cycles. The prohormones that are actually worth a damn, are much more harsh on your body than a simple beginner cycle of Test and maybe some dbol to kickstart. Ph's have this innacurate picture painted about them that they are safer, or milder, or whatever because they are legal. That is not the case though. The effects are milder, but the sides are worse in most cases than traditional aas. And for the ease of aquiring argument, real aas is just as easy to find for anyone willing to SEARCH. I know this response was a bit long, but I truly believe youd be much happier and get much more out of it if you ran a cycle of Test. I guarentee you would retain more in the long run from a 10 week test cycle than a 4 week ph cycle.
 
PH compared to a natty stack: higher rewards but higher risk. There tends to be a trade-off with higher rewards coming with the potential for greater risks. So thats one thing youll have to weigh up (what are you prepared to risk, for what reward).

Also, peoples opinions will tend to vary on what extent the reward/risk will be for any compound.

Main thing is you go into this with your eyes open to risk/reward factors, and the counter measures you are prepared to take to minimise/maximise them.
 
Sorry guys, thought my profile covered most everything.
41,6'3 260 20% bf.
Been in and out of shape too many times to count. Father of 3 boys looking for a quality cut cycle. Not looking to go crazy with the ph. Just want to add a little kick. I'm an IBEW Heavy powerline operator,( cranes, wire stringing equip, etc.), I work an average of 12-14 hrs. day. Anyway, my goals are to get cut and keep strength. Thanks.
 
Cb777 said:
Sorry guys, thought my profile covered most everything.
41,6'3 260 20% bf.
Been in and out of shape too many times to count. Father of 3 boys looking for a quality cut cycle. Not looking to go crazy with the ph. Just want to add a little kick. I'm an IBEW Heavy powerline operator,( cranes, wire stringing equip, etc.), I work an average of 12-14 hrs. day. Anyway, my goals are to get cut and keep strength. Thanks.
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I recommend try to drop that BF% under 15% before doing any cycles.
 
^^^ That's a good idea imo. To really see the results you will get from your cycle you will want to cut down to below 15% bf.
 
Usually I actually differ in opinion on the body fat being high when running a cycle. Its entirely dependent on goals really. Powerlifters for instance run cycles at high bf all the time. In this instance however, they are absolutely correct. Cut natutally down to at least under 15 percent, if not closer to 10. Anabolics are not going to help you burn fat. Period. They will helo retain muscle, but with a moderate deficit your body fat levels will result in not losing much fat anyways. Its when your body fat is lower that your body will start to lose muscle. And if more of a recomp is your thing, once again my opion is ditch the phs and get on some test.
 
I'm on a layoff. Work, family, no motivation blah blah. When I'm on, I stick to 2x4x4. 2 bp by 4 exercises by 4 sets with a minute or so rest. Eat clean, no starch or sugar. I had a bf test done I assumed i was aeound 20 but it showed 16.5%. So not as much of a lardass as I thought.lol
 
Kha0s said:
Like chris said, we need more info. Stats, goals, lifting experience etc. Also, this is just my humble opinion but if you are gonna cross that line into the dark side, might as well go all the way and not tip toe with prohormones. Im personally not a fan especially for beginners. Certain ones do have their place, but as accessories to advanced cycles. The prohormones that are actually worth a damn, are much more harsh on your body than a simple beginner cycle of Test and maybe some dbol to kickstart. Ph's have this innacurate picture painted about them that they are safer, or milder, or whatever because they are legal. That is not the case though. The effects are milder, but the sides are worse in most cases than traditional aas. And for the ease of aquiring argument, real aas is just as easy to find for anyone willing to SEARCH. I know this response was a bit long, but I truly believe youd be much happier and get much more out of it if you ran a cycle of Test. I guarentee you would retain more in the long run from a 10 week test cycle than a 4 week ph cycle.
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I don't mean to rain on your parade but you forget one EXTREMLY key thing in your post. Lifestyle. Joe shmo over there may be able to go out and run 1g of test a week because he flips burgers at mcdicks. But double zero eight works for the government and can't risk getting caught with something ILLEGAL. This is why people run prohormones man. So you gotta see where op lies on said spectrum before you tell them just to go overboard. That's an option for you, but it may not be for them.
 
"McDicks"
:lmao:
 
Kha0s said:
Like chris said, we need more info. Stats, goals, lifting experience etc. Also, this is just my humble opinion but if you are gonna cross that line into the dark side, might as well go all the way and not tip toe with prohormones. Im personally not a fan especially for beginners. Certain ones do have their place, but as accessories to advanced cycles. The prohormones that are actually worth a damn, are much more harsh on your body than a simple beginner cycle of Test and maybe some dbol to kickstart. Ph's have this innacurate picture painted about them that they are safer, or milder, or whatever because they are legal. That is not the case though. The effects are milder, but the sides are worse in most cases than traditional aas. And for the ease of aquiring argument, real aas is just as easy to find for anyone willing to SEARCH. I know this response was a bit long, but I truly believe youd be much happier and get much more out of it if you ran a cycle of Test. I guarentee you would retain more in the long run from a 10 week test cycle than a 4 week ph cycle.
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Fully agree test is best haha
 
Test is safe and effective. Its all you need and is the best for mass barring maybe an argument for tren. Orals will wreak havoc on your bloods much faster than test will. Take the healthy approach and pin test - all this unresearched garbage PHs.
 
ChocolateClen said:
I don't mean to rain on your parade but you forget one EXTREMLY key thing in your post. Lifestyle. Joe shmo over there may be able to go out and run 1g of test a week because he flips burgers at mcdicks. But double zero eight works for the government and can't risk getting caught with something ILLEGAL. This is why people run prohormones man. So you gotta see where op lies on said spectrum before you tell them just to go overboard. That's an option for you, but it may not be for them.
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Haha I know both sides of that coin all to well brother. But you're right. Imho to play you gotta pay. Some phs may be legal, but the ones that are worth the toxicity and risk at least where I am from are illegal as well. And while I know people run the 1 and 4 andro with some results, most people I know who have to walk that "line" typically move on to aas after a while anyways. But it comes down to what each individual considers too much of a risk. Health wise or legally. I do appreciate you bringing up that point however, as you are right, and given my situation I sometimes forget that some people arent willing to take the same risks.
 
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