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Epistane and Halodrol cycle, please, any advice would be greatly appreciated!!!

hazard12 said:
Yeah, thats what makes me believe its not actually kidney related. Most likely you have a muscle imbalance due to posture that is shortening the right hip flexors or psoas. Their attachment is really close to the kidneys and you could be very well mistaking the pain as coming from your kidneys when its not. Hard to tell without examining you but you can rule out by doing the things I mentioned.
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Ok bro. I'll try that then.
Thanks a lot
 
Hi guys, a quick update to my cycle, i'm finishing my 4th week at 60mg epistane and 550mg sup3r-4; testo is really high, i'm very horny all day long and i get wood every 30mins, btw that bloating in my lower right is still a little prob (added taurine today, hoping it will help me fix the issue). I'm a bit worried about the lil pain i mentioned in the last posts coz it seems to appear at evening and it's more something really annoying instead of painful (maybe it just my mind getting tricky for epi related liver issues). Btw i'm taking a full dose of K1ngsguard, 1000mg Tudca and Liv52, but seems that it doesn't do the trick. Urine is still transparent, but i really feel so bloated and constipated uff. I wanna end the 8 week cycle, but need to fix this shiz...
 
milanownz said:
Hi guys, a quick update to my cycle, i'm finishing my 4th week at 60mg epistane and 550mg sup3r-4; testo is really high, i'm very horny all day long and i get wood every 30mins, btw that bloating in my lower right is still a little prob (added taurine today, hoping it will help me fix the issue). I'm a bit worried about the lil pain i mentioned in the last posts coz it seems to appear at evening and it's more something really annoying instead of painful (maybe it just my mind getting tricky for epi related liver issues). Btw i'm taking a full dose of K1ngsguard, 1000mg Tudca and Liv52, but seems that it doesn't do the trick. Urine is still transparent, but i really feel so bloated and constipated uff. I wanna end the 8 week cycle, but need to fix this shiz...
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Did you try the stretches? Every day? Try stretching when it appears at night again.
 
hazard12 said:
Did you try the stretches? Every day? Try stretching when it appears at night again.
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Doing it and seems to be better. Btw, as you stated, i think it's training related coz today is rest and feeling nothing...!! I'll keep you updated tomorrow to see if everything is still ok or not.
 
milanownz said:
Doing it and seems to be better. Btw, as you stated, i think it's training related coz today is rest and feeling nothing...!! I'll keep you updated tomorrow to see if everything is still ok or not.
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True, just keep stretching it out bro, every time u got a couple of minutes just stretch those legs and hip flexors
 
hazard12 said:
True, just keep stretching it out bro, every time u got a couple of minutes just stretch those legs and hip flexors
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So, here it's the update: sunday and monday felt awesome, everything is passed away so maybe it's just been something trainimg related. Now that the things are going good again, i was thinking about the next four weeks of the cycle and i was considering to stay on 60mg of epi and 550mg 4andro till the end of it. Suggestions?? Better tapering down or staying high till the end?? And, got 90halo caps, would you add it at 25/50mg till the end or it'll be better stay on epi and 4andro without adding halo??
 
id say just keep it as it is till the end of cycle. Focus on your training, diet and stretching from now on. You dont wanna have to fix more issues later on. Now go make the most of your cycle!
 
hazard12 said:
id say just keep it as it is till the end of cycle. Focus on your training, diet and stretching from now on. You dont wanna have to fix more issues later on. Now go make the most of your cycle!
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Hey bro, everything is going well and pain is vanished. Btw, i'm in my sixth week and i upped sup3r-4 dosage at 660mgs and epistane is still at 60mgs, so, could i go for other 2 weeks after this one at those dosages or from the next one i'd start to taper down the two compunds??
And, another question, what you think of this pct:
Nova 20-20-10-10
Clomid 50-50-25-25
Exemestane 12,5 e3d???
 
Hi guys, a quick update to my 8weeks epistane and sup3r4 cycle; i'm getting a great lean mass package,but lethargy is starting to appear (and i'm at 660mg daily of sup3r4) and dunno if it's coz here are 35+ degrees everyday and it's really hard to workout properly. Btw, i'm thinking about stop or continue for the last two weeks. Today i've added some exemestane at 12,5mg e3d to control estrogens (i'm seeing a bit of water under skin), could it help me to shed it out??
And what are your thoughts about the lenght?? Should i go for 8weeks or stop now??
 
milanownz said:
Hi guys, a quick update to my 8weeks epistane and sup3r4 cycle; i'm getting a great lean mass package,but lethargy is starting to appear (and i'm at 660mg daily of sup3r4) and dunno if it's coz here are 35+ degrees everyday and it's really hard to workout properly. Btw, i'm thinking about stop or continue for the last two weeks. Today i've added some exemestane at 12,5mg e3d to control estrogens (i'm seeing a bit of water under skin), could it help me to shed it out??
And what are your thoughts about the lenght?? Should i go for 8weeks or stop now??
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How far into the cycle are you? I wouldn't run epistane for 8 weeks as I mentioned earlier in this thread. I would go 6 weeks.
 
JahCure said:
How far into the cycle are you? I wouldn't run epistane for 8 weeks as I mentioned earlier in this thread. I would go 6 weeks.
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Btw, you'd stop at the sixth week just to prevent any kind of sides or what??
My real problem at moment is the little lethargy and 660mgs of Sup3r-4 seem to do nothing for it. What if i start taper down Epi at 45mg for seventh week and 30 for the last one while mantaining Sup3r-4 at 660mgs daily??
 
milanownz said:
Btw, you'd stop at the sixth week just to prevent any kind of sides or what??
My real problem at moment is the little lethargy and 660mgs of Sup3r-4 seem to do nothing for it. What if i start taper down Epi at 45mg for seventh week and 30 for the last one while mantaining Sup3r-4 at 660mgs daily??
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you added exem....you just screwed your own test base...
 
milanownz said:
So, with 12mg dose (for just one day) of exem i screwed up my test base?? Really??
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at that low dose of a test base...yeah...you already have AIs built into your cycle...adding exem just screwed your already low estrogen levels.
 
Ok guys, a quick update; i'm near to finish my 8th week of epistane and sup3r4 and, what can i say?? Everything turned great in the last two weeks. Weight has increased of 6kg of only lean muscle and i'm around 4%bf on upper body and 6% in the lower part. Now gonna start pct on monday and what thinking to go with nolva at 40/20/20/10 and clomid at 100/50/50/25 plus exem at 6.25mg eod for the first two weeks up to 12.5 eod in the last two. Thoughts??
What about diet, supps and training to mantain the quality and most of those gains??
I feel so good and i lovey shredded look (back to when i was competing, awww)!!
 
milanownz said:
Ok guys, a quick update; i'm near to finish my 8th week of epistane and sup3r4 and, what can i say?? Everything turned great in the last two weeks. Weight has increased of 6kg of only lean muscle and i'm around 4%bf on upper body and 6% in the lower part. Now gonna start pct on monday and what thinking to go with nolva at 40/20/20/10 and clomid at 100/50/50/25 plus exem at 6.25mg eod for the first two weeks up to 12.5 eod in the last two. Thoughts??
What about diet, supps and training to mantain the quality and most of those gains??
I feel so good and i lovey shredded look (back to when i was competing, awww)!!
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Thats WAYY to much clomid bro. Its a lot better to do a milder but longer PCT. The nolva dose is fine, id change the clomid dose to 50/50/25/25/25/25 (2 weeks past nolva or you can keep dosing nolva at 10 if you want). Dont use exem until your balls have recovered. Remember what e crash feels like? Yeah lets not do that again. Id say at the very least wait 2 weeks into PCT to dose exem at that dosage or when you notice some high estro issues (although i doubt this, but then again you did run epistane. Id just keep an eye on it)

For diet, keep it at maintenance or slightly above and add more cardio. A great PCT tool im using and loving is Invictus. Cortisol is one of the main reasons you lose muscle after a cycle and blocking it really helps. I also like ephedrine to allow me to stay energetic, get rid of any extra fat gain and help a little with nitrogen retention. Other than that just lower your weight and up your reps as well as slower reps. Your strength will take a small hit and if you try to push yourself like you were on cycle you gon snap some **** up bro. This will also allow you to fully recover and about 3 weeks into PCT you can add in heavy days with confidence and you might even reap some just from the change in stimulus.
 
hazard12 said:
Thats WAYY to much clomid bro. Its a lot better to do a milder but longer PCT. The nolva dose is fine, id change the clomid dose to 50/50/25/25/25/25 (2 weeks past nolva or you can keep dosing nolva at 10 if you want). Dont use exem until your balls have recovered. Remember what e crash feels like? Yeah lets not do that again. Id say at the very least wait 2 weeks into PCT to dose exem at that dosage or when you notice some high estro issues (although i doubt this, but then again you did run epistane. Id just keep an eye on it)

For diet, keep it at maintenance or slightly above and add more cardio. A great PCT tool im using and loving is Invictus. Cortisol is one of the main reasons you lose muscle after a cycle and blocking it really helps. I also like ephedrine to allow me to stay energetic, get rid of any extra fat gain and help a little with nitrogen retention. Other than that just lower your weight and up your reps as well as slower reps. Your strength will take a small hit and if you try to push yourself like you were on cycle you gon snap some **** up bro. This will also allow you to fully recover and about 3 weeks into PCT you can add in heavy days with confidence and you might even reap some just from the change in stimulus.
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Thanks a lot bro. Great advices as always.
I'll keep you updated.
 
hazard12 said:
Thats WAYY to much clomid bro. Its a lot better to do a milder but longer PCT. The nolva dose is fine, id change the clomid dose to 50/50/25/25/25/25 (2 weeks past nolva or you can keep dosing nolva at 10 if you want). Dont use exem until your balls have recovered. Remember what e crash feels like? Yeah lets not do that again. Id say at the very least wait 2 weeks into PCT to dose exem at that dosage or when you notice some high estro issues (although i doubt this, but then again you did run epistane. Id just keep an eye on it)

For diet, keep it at maintenance or slightly above and add more cardio. A great PCT tool im using and loving is Invictus. Cortisol is one of the main reasons you lose muscle after a cycle and blocking it really helps. I also like ephedrine to allow me to stay energetic, get rid of any extra fat gain and help a little with nitrogen retention. Other than that just lower your weight and up your reps as well as slower reps. Your strength will take a small hit and if you try to push yourself like you were on cycle you gon snap some **** up bro. This will also allow you to fully recover and about 3 weeks into PCT you can add in heavy days with confidence and you might even reap some just from the change in stimulus.
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Hey bro, could you please explain why u suggest a 6weeks smooth pct instead of a classical 4 weeks at higher dosages?? Pro and cons of these two methods??
Thanks
 
This is a waste of money and I'm gonna explain why. Epistane is very mild and won't do that much . Id say expect to be a little leaner and gain a few pounds but nothing crazy. Hdrol is quite mild also but dare I say harsher than epi. The epi isnt gonna give you water retention but I think it's possible even if little to get it from hdrol. Now back to what I said in the beginning .. two mild compounds that's not gonna give you any insane size or vascularity, you'll get some strength but considering the toxicity by stacking two orals and then consider the effectivness of these compounds it's not worth it at all. You'd be far better off by just going something like nanodrol. The result will definitely be better (there's no ph that can compete) and the price will be if not less at least the same. Now the other thing is that you just don't run an oral without test you'll just end up loosing the gains. The only oral that I can say gave me so much lean mass still noticeable to this day and this was without pct was nanodrol but that doesn't mean I didn't loose some. In fact i ended up at the same weight as before but wirg a completely different body. And as far as pct I am sure nolva alone would be fine, epi doesn't aromatase I believe.
 
Chados said:
This is a waste of money and I'm gonna explain why. Epistane is very mild and won't do that much . Id say expect to be a little leaner and gain a few pounds but nothing crazy. Hdrol is quite mild also but dare I say harsher than epi. The epi isnt gonna give you water retention but I think it's possible even if little to get it from hdrol. Now back to what I said in the beginning .. two mild compounds that's not gonna give you any insane size or vascularity, you'll get some strength but considering the toxicity by stacking two orals and then consider the effectivness of these compounds it's not worth it at all. You'd be far better off by just going something like nanodrol. The result will definitely be better (there's no ph that can compete) and the price will be if not less at least the same. Now the other thing is that you just don't run an oral without test you'll just end up loosing the gains. The only oral that I can say gave me so much lean mass still noticeable to this day and this was without pct was nanodrol but that doesn't mean I didn't loose some. In fact i ended up at the same weight as before but wirg a completely different body. And as far as pct I am sure nolva alone would be fine, epi doesn't aromatase I believe.
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Epi and Halo mild? Dont listen to this guy...Epistane is one of the strongest compounds out there with a ridiculous anabolic:androgenic rating, Halo is another favorite of many....you are right about the test base but other than that you are flinging opinions like they are facts. If you dont even realize that there ARE people who will respond better to halo or epistane than to msten and that diet/training can actually make or break these cycles, then you shouldnt be giving advice...oh and idk if you used to have another account but I personally would never take advice from someone with rep power 1 who just joined...especially when he speaks the way you do.
 
So joining a forum means I have 0 knowledge. Epistane is mild . What makes you think it's a strong compound? Have you tried it and compared it? Sure if you dose it ten times the dosage its powerful. No lets listen to a guy that base knowledge on rep power.. You literally just put words in my mouth. What are you basing the power of epi on? Other phs,aas,old phs that's banned? When have i ever mention people not responding as good on some things? the fact is still that epistane is a very nice product for what it does but what it does is little and it's only really noticable if you're already lean. And I'm not talking about what you see on yourself but what others see.
 
Chados said:
So joining a forum means I have 0 knowledge. Epistane is mild . What makes you think it's a strong compound? Have you tried it and compared it? Sure if you dose it ten times the dosage its powerful. No lets listen to a guy that base knowledge on rep power
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I have to disagree with you as well.

Epistane is a very productive oral. And you will definitely see increased weight gain and vascularity (degree depending on diet) and not a lot of water retention (your wrong on that part also).
 
Excuse me but where did I ever mention awater lot of retention with epi?.. when did I ever even mention that epi made you gain water? I said Lean gains but not big gains. Now explain to me where I'm wrong? Never said it's horrible but without test and how little gains you make I kinda question to run it solo. The gains are lean quality but small.
 
hazard12 said:
Better overall recovery, less sides.
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Hey bro, for sides you mean vision issues or estro rebound related ones?? And, i'd start to finish the four traditional pct weeks as we stated, then i'll check recovery status and will decide to prolong to six or not...
 
Chados said:
Excuse me but where did I ever mention awater lot of retention with epi?.. when did I ever even mention that epi made you gain water? I said Lean gains but not big gains. Now explain to me where I'm wrong? Never said it's horrible but without test and how little gains you make I kinda question to run it solo. The gains are lean quality but small.
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Bro, did you read the entire post?? I've obtained awesome results in terms of quality and quantity with epi and sup3r4; i'm in pct now and your thoughts at this moment seem to be a little anachronistic. If you want, read the entire post and, as i said i'm in pct, so every suggestion in this regard would be appreciated.
 
Don't call me bro, I will only accept sir from now on. Let me break this down to you very easily because you ask so many questions I argue wether you have any experience with other phs or aas. Epistane is not a bulker it's lean mass and while it is perfect for polishing your body you won't gain that much size. People claim it takes 4 weeks so kick in and I respond fast so personally I disagree, the fact is still that there are many phs that will give you the size of a 6 weeks epistane in 3 weeks. People swear by something because they paid for it, or they are skinny. You wont see anything if you're fat, absolutely nothing on a 6 week epi. You won't see anything if you eat bad and you can get away with it with other phs even if the result of course will be worse. The other thing with epi is while the gains are lean, you take a few weeks off and it's all gone cause it was so little to begin with. Epi is like a mild phversion of winstrol or anavar

You said epi and super ? How do you know epi was the thing that have you the gains?
 
Chados said:
Don't call me bro, I will only accept sir from now on. Let me break this down to you very easily because you ask so many questions I argue wether you have any experience with other phs or aas. Epistane is not a bulker it's lean mass and while it is perfect for polishing your body you won't gain that much size. People claim it takes 4 weeks so kick in and I respond fast so personally I disagree, the fact is still that there are many phs that will give you the size of a 6 weeks epistane in 3 weeks. People swear by something because they paid for it, or they are skinny. You wont see anything if you're fat, absolutely nothing on a 6 week epi. You won't see anything if you eat bad and you can get away with it with other phs even if the result of course will be worse. The other thing with epi is while the gains are lean, you take a few weeks off and it's all gone cause it was so little to begin with. Epi is like a mild phversion of winstrol or anavar

You said epi and super ? How do you know epi was the thing that have you the gains?
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Ok Sir :/
Third epi cycle in my bb life and always get the look i need of...
Btw, sup3r4 gave me that little extrawater (now disappeared) to let me appear more "on".
I can afford everything aas ph and peptide related, but chosen epi coz i knew what i want and didn't wanna pin for 12/16 weeks min.
I'm happy, but still waiting some months to check my health values and i'll be happier to share them with all of am guys.
 
I sound like a dick but I'm really not. The epistabe is fantastic to people who just wants a little extra and are new. I would never recommend tren instead of epi I could kill people. My point was only that it's not strong and it is not a bulker and while this is nice and not so harsh I don't see the point buying it over and over again when you can go for test one cycle and get more than five epi. With test however I don't mind it, you just don't take an oral without test you know.
 
Chados said:
I sound like a dick but I'm really not. The epistabe is fantastic to people who just wants a little extra and are new. I would never recommend tren instead of epi I could kill people. My point was only that it's not strong and it is not a bulker and while this is nice and not so harsh I don't see the point buying it over and over again when you can go for test one cycle and get more than five epi. With test however I don't mind it, you just don't take an oral without test you know.
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But surely there are far better options, but i didn't think they were good for my starting purposes, that's all. Hopefully i'm happy with the results of this cycle and now i'm focusing on retaining 80/85% of my cycle gains. Quality is improving in terms of vascularity, hardness and i feel very good, just hope to keep these results as lomg as i start the lean bulk in the next fall.
 
I'd go for nanodrol if I wanted to go ph only especially as a lean bulk. This is better then sdrol, mdrol,epi etc. It's better then dbol,no water retention. I ran this without pct and I lost about 10of 20 pounds but the thing is, these are still there and I look almost the same after loosing the pounds, I gained masively on my shoulders. This is something I was thinking about stacking with test rather then any aas. Just eat clean and you'll be fine. As long as you're working out i think they'll be noticable
 
Guys, a quick update; today i've done a lab test for Prolactin, Estradiol e Pogesterone and here are the results:
Prolactin 0.2 ng/ml range is from 3.4 to 16.2
Prgesterone 0.1ng/ml range is from 0.2 to 1.4
Estradiol 5.0pg/ml range is from 26 to 60
Thoughts??
I'm on day 22 of Pct with nolva at 20mg and clomid at 25mg
 
Sparta12 said:
What were your results from end of cycle? I tried to look but on phone and cbf lol
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Didn't checked them right after finishing the cycle...; i just did them three in the middle of my pct to check my e2 and prolactin/progesterone coz of a possible eatro rebound (that didn't happened).
 
If your estro is that low and you arent running any AI, theres a really good chance your testosterone is in the gutter and your nolva is bunk as ****...22 days into PCT my estradiol is already so high I need to do something to control it (SERMs raise estradiol as well as testosterone)
 
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