Another critique my cycle post

dirtygainz

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Hey guys could you please take a look at my first cycle:

Ostarine 20 mg for 6 weeks
CEL - Cycle Assist (throughout entire cycle)

PCT

-nolva (liquid) - 20/20/10/10
- CEL M-Test - 6/6/6/6

Do you guys think I should add anything else? Is the nolva enough to combat estrogen sides? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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Cycle assist not necessary for Ostarine. Neither is full dose nolva. In my opinion.

My ostarine cycle looks like this:
Ostarine: 20/20/20/20/20/20
4-andro: 0/0/110/110/110/110
(+ basics like fish oil, multi, vitamin c, etc.)

Then...

Clomid: 25/25/12.5/12.5
Novadex XT for first 30 days of PCT

Ostarine will cause mild suppression. A full dose PCT may not be necessary. It does not stress the organs as do harsh or even mild PH's, so a cycle assist is probably not necessary, but of course it won't hurt. In regards to what elo76 said, I do not think an AI will be necessary, but again, it never hurts to just have an AI on hand if you're deciding to uses anabolics.

Also, Ostarine may cause some lethargy, as I have experienced. You may want a low dose test base like 4-andro, Epiandro, or DHEA

Just my thoughts.
 
thanks for the reply man, Im not going to employ a test base as the sole reason im using ostarine is because it has little impact on the hair line - adding other anabolics may compromise that. Ill just grind through the lethargy lol

Im all for taking out anything thats overkill to save money but obviously want to stay on the safe side. How does this revised regimen look:

Osta 20/20/20/20/20/20

PCT:

Nolva 20/20/10/0
M-Test 6/6/6/6

and also have a mild AI on hand, anything you recommend?
 
dirtygainz said:
thanks for the reply man, Im not going to employ a test base as the sole reason im using ostarine is because it has little impact on the hair line - adding other anabolics may compromise that. Ill just grind through the lethargy lol

Im all for taking out anything thats overkill to save money but obviously want to stay on the safe side. How does this revised regimen look:

Osta 20/20/20/20/20/20

PCT:

Nolva 20/20/10/0
M-Test 6/6/6/6

and also have a mild AI on hand, anything you recommend?
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I mean if you have cycle support, and want to use it, might as well. If you don't already have, then it's just whether or not you want to spend the money. Personally, I don't think it's necessary, or worth it.

Personally I'd recommend Clomid over Nolva for an Ostarine cycle given its ability to kickstart normal HPTA function a bit better than Nolva. Nolva does this as well, but really shines in keeping estrogen at a minimum which in turn helps raises testosterone. Clomid spurs testosterone production directly. In the case of Ostarine, estrogen sides after the cycle (and really even during) should not be of any concern and this is why I'd suggest Clomid. Anyways, Nolva will do the job as well, so if you have it, you're good, just use it.

Personally I'd suggest 20/10/10/10 for Nolva or even 20/10/10/5
 
csline said:
Cycle assist not necessary for Ostarine. Neither is full dose nolva. In my opinion.

My ostarine cycle looks like this:
Ostarine: 20/20/20/20/20/20
4-andro: 0/0/110/110/110/110
(+ basics like fish oil, multi, vitamin c, etc.)

Then...

Clomid: 25/25/12.5/12.5
Novadex XT for first 30 days of PCT

Ostarine will cause mild suppression. A full dose PCT may not be necessary. It does not stress the organs as do harsh or even mild PH's, so a cycle assist is probably not necessary, but of course it won't hurt. In regards to what elo76 said, I do not think an AI will be necessary, but again, it never hurts to just have an AI on hand if you're deciding to uses anabolics.

Also, Ostarine may cause some lethargy, as I have experienced. You may want a low dose test base like 4-andro, Epiandro, or DHEA

Just my thoughts.
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Yes an AI probably won't be needed but I've seen reports of osta causing gyno so it's better safe than sorry. You never know how your body will react to a compound.
 
yeah osta can definintely cause estro sides. At a minimum, something otc like inhibit e will help just to ensure ou stay around normal levels, but id always be safe and have a pharma ai on hand. same kind of thing for the cycle assist. its cheap and at worst, will help normal daily functions and if there are any negatives from the osta obviously it helps there too.

for pct, same thing with the ai as this is the time when hormones can swing again. inhibit e with a pharma on hand. Only other addition i would make is reduce xt to help with a cortisol spike as hormones normalize during pct.

FWIW i ran osta and it absolutely crushed my normal hormone levels and by week 3 i felt like death. Actually felt worse than epi/tren lethargy so it can be a lot more suppressive than originally thought.
 
booneman77 said:
yeah osta can definintely cause estro sides. At a minimum, something otc like inhibit e will help just to ensure ou stay around normal levels, but id always be safe and have a pharma ai on hand. same kind of thing for the cycle assist. its cheap and at worst, will help normal daily functions and if there are any negatives from the osta obviously it helps there too.

for pct, same thing with the ai as this is the time when hormones can swing again. inhibit e with a pharma on hand. Only other addition i would make is reduce xt to help with a cortisol spike as hormones normalize during pct.

FWIW i ran osta and it absolutely crushed my normal hormone levels and by week 3 i felt like death. Actually felt worse than epi/tren lethargy so it can be a lot more suppressive than originally thought.
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So would you recommend OP to run a test base then?
 
May I ask, why Ostarine? Are you needing to cut and worried about losing muscle mass? Because preserving muscle mass in a cut is about all it's good for, besides maybe some non-anabolic benefits like joint relief.
 
Using it for recomposition, apparently it has good nutrient partioning effects. Not looking for crazy gains and fat loss, just hoping for a bit of each
 
elo76 said:
So would you recommend OP to run a test base then?
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not really. its tolerable, but you just have to be mentally prepared to suffer through it.

I'm not much of a fan of test bases with ph/sarms simply because it puts more stress on your body for what amounts to trivial issues (assuming the person has the mental wherewithal to push through them) and limited, if any, additional benefits. If they were gonna run IM test, sure thats legit, but chances are anyone running sarms or low level ph's are not gonna go that route (or would be dumb to at least ha)
 
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