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What are the benefits of using prohormones on a cut?

APC80

APC80

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Anyone any experience of using a PH/DS while cutting? I'm thinking of adding in megatren(trenavar and msten) the last 4 weeks but not sure if it'll be better just to save it for a lean bulk later on. Just not convinced it's worth doing a cycle in a calorie deficit. Are there any benefits other than preserving lean mass, I mean does it make you look any better or cut fat quicker? Is it even possible to build muscle on PHs while cutting?
 
In for answers.

I see alot of people say it's a waste, but on the other hand you see alot of people doing it.
 
BlockBuilder said:
Anything to help retain all of your hard earned muscle can hardly be called a waste
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Is muscle loss really that much of an issue tho unless you're going below 10%? You might lose a pound or two but it can be regained quickly when you start bulking again. Is it really enough to put your body and your wallet through that then have to wait a few months before you can take anything hormonal again.

I've heard of people adding several pounds of muscle while dropping body fat cutting with a PH but ya never know if they're talking shyt or what. Would be interested to hear if anyone's actually done it.
 
Unless I was prepping for a show, I would prefer not to waste an entire cycle on a cut. There is only enough time in a year to run 2 long cycles responsibly. Your best bet would be to do something like this:

Wks 1-16 Test E or C 500mg/wk
Wks 1-6 Trenavar 90/90/120/120/150/150
Wks 13-16 Msten 20/20/30/30

Cut weeks 1-6 and bulk weeks 7-16. You would cut up nicely with the help of the Trenavar, and by the time you're ready to bulk, the test would be really kicking in. The Msten would finish things off nicely, and you would have had a 6 week break from orals.
 
mike33511 said:
Unless I was prepping for a show, I would prefer not to waste an entire cycle on a cut. There is only enough time in a year to run 2 long cycles responsibly. Your best bet would be to do something like this:

Wks 1-16 Test E or C 500mg/wk
Wks 1-6 Trenavar 90/90/120/120/150/150
Wks 13-16 Msten 20/20/30/30

Cut weeks 1-6 and bulk weeks 7-16. You would cut up nicely with the help of the Trenavar, and by the time you're ready to bulk, the test would be really kicking in. The Msten would finish things off nicely, and you would have had a 6 week break from orals.
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I have a source but I'm not ready to start pinning yet I dunno if I could inject myself lol I have msten and trenavar but they're in the same capsule so couldn't separate the doses.

Thanks you've convinced me not to waste a cycle cutting I'll just wait till I'm done and hop on the megatren or DMZ I have here. I don't wanna cut to sub 10% anyway so the PH probably wouldn't make much difference. It's just killing me that I've everything I need but can't start a cycle yet I just need to stay patient.
 
Why dont you instead go for an ECA stack paired with a cortisol blocker like invictus of 7-keto, a decent caloric deficit + high protein and daily 30min slow steady cardio? That **** will drop mostly if not only fat pretty quickly as long as you are diligent. Throw in a couple of sessions of HIIT workouts a week and ull be ready for a bulk in no time.
 
hazard12 said:
Why dont you instead go for an ECA stack paired with a cortisol blocker like invictus of 7-keto, a decent caloric deficit + high protein and daily 30min slow steady cardio? That **** will drop mostly if not only fat pretty quickly as long as you are diligent. Throw in a couple of sessions of HIIT workouts a week and ull be ready for a bulk in no time.
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I'm using EA code red and just finished arimistane. Been cutting seriously for 4 weeks down 13 lbs, 2 inches off my waist so doing ok. 3 hiit sessions a week and 5 days lifting. Now I'm pretty lean strength and stamina are starting to drop and hungers killing me. Plus fat loss is slowing down.
 
BlockBuilder said:
Anything to help retain all of your hard earned muscle can hardly be called a waste
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Ugh I hate this soooooo much. You do not lose muscle. Yes muscle may shrink. That does not mean you lose muscle, as soon as you provide the proper stimuli they quickly return to their biggest state. They are like fat cells, THEY DO NOT DIE, and want to return to their biggest state.
 
hazard12 said:
Why dont you instead go for an ECA stack paired with a cortisol blocker like invictus of 7-keto, a decent caloric deficit + high protein and daily 30min slow steady cardio? That **** will drop mostly if not only fat pretty quickly as long as you are diligent. Throw in a couple of sessions of HIIT workouts a week and ull be ready for a bulk in no time.
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To low cortisol can make weight slow down btw
 
APC80 said:
I'm using EA code red and just finished arimistane. Been cutting seriously for 4 weeks down 13 lbs, 2 inches off my waist so doing ok. 3 hiit sessions a week and 5 days lifting. Now I'm pretty lean strength and stamina are starting to drop and hungers killing me. Plus fat loss is slowing down.
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Arimistane is a garbage ai, don't waste your money next time
 
rtmilburn said:
To low cortisol can make weight slow down btw
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Of course, its about optimization. I think most people have high cortisol due to the western high stress lifestyle so a little invictus can go a long way to help you sculpt your body.
 
Good, I see tons of ppl trying to use it as a ai or as a PCT and it's useless for those purpose. I honestly saw zero benefit from it in any aspect, what did you notice from it?
 
It's not quiet a waste on a cut, but a PH run works SO much better on a leak bulk! The hunger and strength gains are hard to ignore.
 
Smont said:
Good, I see tons of ppl trying to use it as a ai or as a PCT and it's useless for those purpose. I honestly saw zero benefit from it in any aspect, what did you notice from it?
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No I'd already read on here about it being useless for estrogen. It dried me out I was retaining water my stomach was bloated and my face was round. Lost a good few pounds water in a week it definitely made me look ten times better. Was eating a bit above maintenance so it wasn't fat.
 
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