Pct help

DK0313

DK0313

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I'm starting a cycle of LGD that I got from enhanced athlete, I'm going to be taking 10 mg a day for 8 weeks. I'm also going to be taking super-epi to keep from getting too lethargic and to help prevent extra fat gain. My question WHAT DO I NEED AS A PCT, IF ANYTHING? I've read you don't need one, but I've also read its almost as suppressive as actually gear. I was going to take Armi-RX(androsta) at 50-75 mg for 4 weeks. Would that be enough or would I need a SERM? I have no clue where to get a SERM so I'm hoping the Armi-RX will do. Thanks in advance!
 
Definitely need a serm for lgd. Arimrx is not a serm it's an AI. Check out the board sponsors if you have no access to pharma.
 
A SERM. You could also add in an OTC product such as AlphaMax XT to help with cortisol, libido, and increase testosterone.
 
DK0313 said:
I'm starting a cycle of LGD that I got from enhanced athlete, I'm going to be taking 10 mg a day for 8 weeks. I'm also going to be taking super-epi to keep from getting too lethargic and to help prevent extra fat gain. My question WHAT DO I NEED AS A PCT, IF ANYTHING? I've read you don't need one, but I've also read its almost as suppressive as actually gear. I was going to take Armi-RX(androsta) at 50-75 mg for 4 weeks. Would that be enough or would I need a SERM? I have no clue where to get a SERM so I'm hoping the Armi-RX will do. Thanks in advance!
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You need a real pharma grade SERM!
"No SERM=No Cycle"

Basic PCT Outline...

Clomid (SERM)-PCT Weeks 1-5
50/25/25/25/25
OR
Nolvadex (SERM)-PCT Weeks 1-5
40/40/20/20/10
+
Test Booster Of Your Choice-PCT Weeks 1-8/12
(As Advised On Packaging)
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As these guys have all stated your Serm is a must and most important. Clomid/Nolva. I always like to add in a natural test booster like M test. Kings blood and Alphamax XT are great as well. Adding Reduce XT for cortisol is must for me as well, I suggest looking into it.
 
The Express 42 said:
As these guys have all stated your Serm is a must and most important. Clomid/Nolva. I always like to add in a natural test booster like M test. Kings blood and Alphamax XT are great as well. Adding Reduce XT for cortisol is must for me as well, I suggest looking into it.
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Would I need to run both clomid and Nolva or is just one okay? I'm trying to be budget conscious but not screw myself in the process..
 
Clomid is overkill at that dose. I wouldn't even consider Clomid over 25 ED just due to sides. Torem 60 ED is going to run a lot smoother and isn't particularly more expensive if you get it in powder form, rather than pills.
 
CornbreadBath said:
Clomid is overkill at that dose. I wouldn't even consider Clomid over 25 ED just due to sides. Torem 60 ED is going to run a lot smoother and isn't particularly more expensive if you get it in powder form, rather than pills.
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I am going to have to respectfully disagree about the clomid, I like the kick that 50mg gives you the first week. Torem is always more expensive, harder to find, and more often bunk.
 
So you managed to find the LGD on their site but missed all the research chemicals they do??
 
APC80 said:
So you managed to find the LGD on their site but missed all the research chemicals they do??
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The lgd was pretty well right there lol. And they don't Carry SERMS, Or research chems as far as I seen. It was from enhanced athlete.
 
DK0313 said:
The lgd was pretty well right there lol. And they don't Carry SERMS, Or research chems as far as I seen. It was from enhanced athlete.
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You must be blind or just lazy, I'm assuming ya haven't even bothered checking yet so I'm assuming lazy.
 
APC80 said:
You must be blind or just lazy, I'm assuming ya haven't even bothered checking yet so I'm assuming lazy.
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I've been researching for the past few days honestly, I just went back to look for some on there and I don't see any. I've found some on other sites but I'm not sure about there legitimately.
 
DK0313 said:
I've been researching for the past few days honestly, I just went back to look for some on there and I don't see any. I've found some on other sites but I'm not sure about there legitimately.
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Actually can't see it myself on their US site try the EU one
 
Yep you will definitely need to get nolva or clomid like said above. I wouldn't start anything until you do find a legitimate source of either.
 
these guys nailed it... serm of choice, ai (minmum inhibit-e on hand but preferably a pharma one just in case), reduce xt, m-test or similar natty booster, and if funds allow, some natty anabolics like xgels, ABE, etc. The more goodies you can add to pct, the smoother it usually is and the better you'll feel. But not without that serm first and foremost
 
The Express 42 said:
I am going to have to respectfully disagree about the clomid, I like the kick that 50mg gives you the first week. Torem is always more expensive, harder to find, and more often bunk.
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There is no kick. And if I'm wrong show me any study that uses that protocol. Just simply bioscience.

Almost all studies done on humans(men), used 25mg everyday. Considering the long half life, I usually recommended 25mg EOD or 12.5mg ED, and extending the PCT longer. IE: 8-12 weeks.

With clomid there is a point of diminishes returns. More clomid does not equal better results, but almost always guarantees an increase in unwanted side effects.
 
booneman77 said:
these guys nailed it... serm of choice, ai (minmum inhibit-e on hand but preferably a pharma one just in case), reduce xt, m-test or similar natty booster, and if funds allow, some natty anabolics like xgels, ABE, etc. The more goodies you can add to pct, the smoother it usually is and the better you'll feel. But not without that serm first and foremost
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Is an AI and test booster necessary on cycle? I was going to skip the AI but start the test booster along with clomid Post cycle
 
I ended up ordering clomid from a drugstore online for woman without a prescription lol. But it seems from replies that's not all I am missing from this cycle. Is an AI really necessary on an LGD cycle? And do I need other on cycle support as well?
 
Ape McGrapes said:
There is no kick. And if I'm wrong show me any study that uses that protocol. Just simply bioscience.

Almost all studies done on humans(men), used 25mg everyday. Considering the long half life, I usually recommended 25mg EOD or 12.5mg ED, and extending the PCT longer. IE: 8-12 weeks.

With clomid there is a point of diminishes returns. More clomid does not equal better results, but almost always guarantees an increase in unwanted side effects.
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I think the issue with using the studies is twofold though:
1) none of them ever tried the "kickstart" protocol - so there's no way to say it truly does NOT work
2) most of them are longer term dosages (like you said, 8+ weeks, many even longer as more of a hrt type therapy)
 
DK0313 said:
I ended up ordering clomid from a drugstore online for woman without a prescription lol. But it seems from replies that's not all I am missing from this cycle. Is an AI really necessary on an LGD cycle? And do I need other on cycle support as well?
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an ai MAY not be necessary, but any cycle it's best to have on-hand just in case. anytime you mess with hormones, any of them can be out of whack and cause issues.

on cycle, get something like CEL cycle assist. that will cover you.

for pct, the more goodies you can afford to add after your serm, the smoother it feels. Im a huge proponent of reduce xt for cortisol control (since this will spike after any hormonal rollercoaster) as well as adding natty anabolics based on funds. Xgels, anabeta elite, magnitropin are my personal favorites. Again though, the only true NECESSARY part is the serm... the rest is icing on the cake. My thoughts are, why would I not put my best effort into pct in order to make sure i get the most from the cycle and hardship I just put my body through.
 
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