Aleksandar37
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Trump made the press (Steve Bannon) part of his administration, but you keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel good.
Donald Trump running for president
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Trump made the press (Steve Bannon) part of his administration, but you keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel good.
jswain34
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I do appreciate your post, I knew that we were getting screwed, but I realized when constructing my post how passionate I am about that issue. I may have found an issue that I could see myself fighting for. It really irks me to see these government filth taking ~half of every americans income and spending it on their own mansions, family vacations, golf trips, and BS government programs, among other things.
thebigt
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sorry, my nanny is telling me it's bedtime...
oh and of course, my beliefs are my beliefs no one else has to believe them for me to feel good about myself!!!
GOD BLESS...and good night.
Aleksandar37
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Good night man. We can rant more tomorrow!
ax1
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Yes we have issues with insurance costs. Reason being is due to government interventionism starting with managed care starting with Nixon in the '70s and the constant increased involvement in care. When our politicians legalized bribes through lobby we get corruption and ponzi schemes. Our government becomes fascist.
We actually dont have health "insurance" in America. Insurance should just measure cost vs. a risk. You put a price on it and a customer has the option to purchase it. It should have nothing to do with "health care" as is set up currently. It should not be about checkups, paying for regular visits and putting co-pays on everything (btw alot of people including Obamacare pay for insurance and have a $100 co-pay on a single visit so there is 0 benefit and you pay both insurance and the doctor 100%.) Insurance should just be there just in case something bad happens and it would be the fraction of the cost it is today if we actually had health insurance and not healthcare "insurance."
Doctors visits should just be payed up with cash with no 3rd party insurance involvement and no government bureaucracy in between. Your paying people money that have 0 to do with your health care. Also take out the income tax and doctors would keep more of their money possibly reducing costs, and people would have more money in their pockets to pay for things.
There is more but Ill leave it at that....but if we had some income tax policies as we had in these socialist nations of today (some around 50%) with our economy we will have a civil war. Id like to see what happens when economies of these socialist nations tank and how they are going to pay for everything. Maybe we get what the USA did to our troops when the VA's hospitals were low on cash, throw our war heroes in basements to rot to death when they have totally treatable illnesses/injuries to cut costs. I wish that never happens to anyone in the world but thats what governments do when the money isnt there.
ax1
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Keep in mind its much easier to manage a country with less than 24 million compared to over 300 million that for decade has had border issues with millions illegal immigrants (more thant the entire population of Australia) coming in and sucking up resources and jobs among many other issues. Add to that our political system is corrupt to the core and prefers to spend most of its money bombing and murdering millions of people to keep the military industrial complex's economy up than really helping us.
youngandfree
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The only negative is the $100 B the US would give away?
How about China not changing anything till 2030. China creates exponentially more air pollution than the US. The US has lowered carbon emissions drastically over the last decade, yet we are going to be paying to subsidize green jobs in other countries. We've spent billions subsidizing green jobs in the US, that were wasted. Solyndra and Fisker alone got a combined billion and they both filed bankruptcy.
BennyMagoo79
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thebigt
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lets be rational and look at a few things that could have been affected by compliance with the climate accord...1st we have energy costs-if power plants are forced to reduce carbon emissions most likely electric bills would increase[the price of electricity in European nations are 3 times that of the U.S.... next we have manufacturing, if forced to reduce carbon emissions I could see those costs being offset by higher consumer prices for the goods produced...next we have the automobile industry, I remember hearing that they were struggling to meet the deadline for 50 mpg cars-this r&d cost would most definitely be passed on to consumers...then we have jobs, to me it seems reasonable that if costs of employers go up then they would do layoffs and wages would drop.
ax1
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Mark my words, in 20 years people will be having a shytfit about global cooling which is even more catastrophic and people will beg for more carbon emissions although that doesnt do anything proven to warm the climate. People will be going on high prune diets thinking they will save the planet with their farts.
thebigt
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I have a friend who works on the grounds crew at Indiana state university here in terre haute...the democrats seem to think the young generation are concerned about the environment...well my friend tells me they spend 3-4 hours every day picking up the trash students just throw on the ground while there are trashcans everywhere, lol....
also I hear California has banned plastic bags, and they are thinking of banning plastic drinking straws and cups-even though the alternatives cost 3 times more...as if living in California isn't expensive enough already---why not just recycle the bags/cups/straws like they do bottles, wouldn't that be much cheaper?
ax1
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Then they use paper bags instead destroying the wilderness something libtards were begging to save just a few decades ago.
Justlooking5
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I'm fairly mixed on Trump's actions so far (don't like the budget or healthcare bill, do like increased immigration enforcement preventing new illegal immigration, don't like refugee ban), however, having listened to both sides of the argument on the climate change accord, I overall agree that it was likely another bad deal for the United States and support amending/pulling out of the agreement. And I find totally plausible Trump's claim that lobbyists for foreign governments influenced US lawmakers to take action to give billions to China/India.
We cannot afford to give that kind of money to other countries when our own country has poor infrastructure, underperforming education, huge budget and trade deficits, etc.
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The guy is the spear carrier on climate change, it's a huge urgent thing, yet he lives in a huge mansion, and flies on carbon dumping private jets, while he wants the rest of us to scale back (and buy his movie/books).
He says he buys "carbon offsets" to accomodate for his large carbon usage - yet, if the problem is really THAT urgent, why doesn't he buy carbon offsets AND scale down his lifestyle. Something tells me he doesn't think climate change is an urgent enough problem to change his own lavish lifestyle, so **** him if he expects the poor and middle classes to sacrifice for it. Him first. Donate that 200 mill to climate science research.
Al Gore's house:
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We cannot afford to give that kind of money to other countries when our own country has poor infrastructure, underperforming education, huge budget and trade deficits, etc.
Also, as an aside. Al Gore increased his net worth from 1.7 million to 200 million during the time he gained notoriety for his global warming ideas. (Kind of like Hillary/Bill somehow increased their net worth by 100 million while Hillary was a "public servant."). Invalid Link Removed
The guy is the spear carrier on climate change, it's a huge urgent thing, yet he lives in a huge mansion, and flies on carbon dumping private jets, while he wants the rest of us to scale back (and buy his movie/books).
He says he buys "carbon offsets" to accomodate for his large carbon usage - yet, if the problem is really THAT urgent, why doesn't he buy carbon offsets AND scale down his lifestyle. Something tells me he doesn't think climate change is an urgent enough problem to change his own lavish lifestyle, so **** him if he expects the poor and middle classes to sacrifice for it. Him first. Donate that 200 mill to climate science research.
Al Gore's house:
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Aleksandar37
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It's alright. That was just locker room talk.
thebigt
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lol...did you see her 'interview'?
I was reminded of chuckie shumer and his teary speech....:34:
youngandfree
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The UK may have free healthcare, but you may not get to have that surgery you need. I'd rather have to pay for my insurance to get the treatment I may require in a timely and effective manner.
BennyMagoo79
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I am pretty sold on climate change. I've lost track of the actual argument, I'm just going along with what the vast majority of scientists believe - that we are negatively affecting the earth by emitting fossil fuels and clearing forests.
At the end of the day I guess we are always making the same choice: chasing those short term gains at the expense of long term health.
At the end of the day I guess we are always making the same choice: chasing those short term gains at the expense of long term health.
Aleksandar37
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Pfft. I couldn't be bothered to waste time on a crying celebrity who was having a bad day lol
BennyMagoo79
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The beauty of healthcare is your kids can break a leg, you take them hospital, then you leave without any debt from the experience. Having to wait for non-urgent (your link is an article regarding wait times for non-urgent) surgery is just the cost of not having private cover - remember, we still have a private system too.
Oh, and the govt actually build hospitals in appropriate locations so you don't bleed out in an ambulance trying to get to the nearest hospital (when I visited New York I was shocked to discover there is only 1 hospital in Manhattan, a student hospital at that).
Considering you pay 14k/head tax you really should be mad at your 3rd World healthcare.
youngandfree
Oh, and the govt actually build hospitals in appropriate locations so you don't bleed out in an ambulance trying to get to the nearest hospital (when I visited New York I was shocked to discover there is only 1 hospital in Manhattan, a student hospital at that).
Considering you pay 14k/head tax you really should be mad at your 3rd World healthcare.
youngandfree
thebigt
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lol...I found it to be very entertaining!!! wouldn't pay to see it, but better acting than most movies i've seen lately.:Flush:
thebigt
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I've also heard scientists say that if carbon emissions were reduced to zero tomorrow it would have miniscule impact....kinda like a guy who drinks until he gets cirrhosis of the liver and then decides it's time to quit drinking.
BennyMagoo79
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Yeah but I don't want to be that guy. I want to be the guy that stops drinking, starts lifting weights and walking the hills and then blows the doctors' minds when the tests come back and his liver has begun to heal.
thebigt
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lol...I have 20 years of sobriety.
I am that guy!!!
but that has little to do with the point that scientists say that even if carbon emissions were reduced to zero tomorrow it would have only a small effect.
youngandfree
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What's considered non urgent? Non life threatening? Funny my little city of less than 300,000 people had 3 hospitals. 2 that were less than 2 miles apart were consolidated, and the other is probably less than 15 miles away.
ETA: There are plenty of hospitals in NYC.
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Aleksandar37
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Are you hearing scientist say that as their opinion or is anybody actually citing research? This is one scientist who says we still have a very good chance of helping and we certainly shouldn't speed the process up.
Aleksandar37
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What state are you in? The government can build all the hospitals they want, but it's hard to get physicians and other trained personel to live in those areas. I know there are some programs that will help pay back student loans if you serve in underserved areas, but it's still difficult to fill those hospitals. That plus being an MD is simply not as financially attractive as it used to be.
youngandfree
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I'm in SW Va. We have the largest level 1 trauma center west of Charlottesville. And they are run by the government. One is run by Misfit's favorite, HCA. The other is a "not for profit" regional hospital system, based in my city.
Aleksandar37
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BennyMagoo79
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Sorry, should have specified, hospital with an ED
ax1
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The argument isnt "climate change" its always changing and always will change and nobody can stop that. The argument is specifically the causes which are other factors such as the sun...etc. Also there are issues where there are trillions of dollars to made to capitalize on this (people always only focus on the oil guys) and the solutions are ridiculous and can suppress people.
Does it influence you that climate scientists had been fed false data by government backed organizations (2009 Copenhagen leaks globe did not warm at all for 10+ years) in order to promote a political agenda and influence private banker political power on 3rd world nations?
Does it bother you when things like having 50 highly credible NASA scientists condemn extremist climate change believers making unsubstantiated claims that human produced CO2 has catastrophic impact on climate change doesnt even get any daylight whatsoever most of mainstream news?
50 Top Astronauts, Scientists Sign Letter Slamming NASA For Promoting Man-Made Climate Change Dogma
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Eventually the sham is going to give, and the latest letter signed by 50 NASA experts, with more than 1000 years of combined professional experience, is a sure sign the gig’s about over.
…..unproven remarks…..not substantiated…..hundreds of well-known climate scientists…..tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief…..science is NOT settled…..unbecoming of NASA’s history…..advocacy of an extreme position…..damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA…..even the reputation of science itself…”
Letters to the top don’t get any more blunt than that.
And how many tens of billions have these crackpots at GISS cost the taxpayers?
Here’s the letter:
March 28, 2012
The Honorable Charles Bolden, Jr.
NASA Administrator
NASA Headquarters
Washington, D.C. 20546-0001
Dear Charlie,
We, the undersigned, respectfully request that NASA and the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) refrain from including unproven remarks in public releases and websites. We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled.
The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.
As former NASA employees, we feel that NASA’s advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers is inappropriate. We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject. At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself.
For additional information regarding the science behind our concern, we recommend that you contact Harrison Schmitt or Walter Cunningham, or others they can recommend to you.
Thank you for considering this request.
Sincerely,
(Attached signatures)
CC: Mr. John Grunsfeld, Associate Administrator for Science
CC: Ass Mr. Chris Scolese, Director, Goddard Space Flight Center
Ref: Letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, dated 3-26-12, regarding a request for NASA to refrain from making unsubstantiated claims that human produced CO2 is having a catastrophic impact on climate change.
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rtmilburn
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Ya but Stephen Hawkins says the Earth is gonna end in less then 100 years no matter what so there that. And says we have to colonize both the moon and Mars to live.
youngandfree
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What's the definition of medically underserved? I know all the green in the left corner of the state is very rural mountains and is definitely not close to high level treatment. FWIW, we do he government run hospitals that don't do a good job, called the VA.
youngandfree
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They are only trying to get people to go to Mars because they believe in overpopulation and know the people that believe that won't just do their part, so they convince then to leave the planet.
Aleksandar37
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Stephen Hawking needs to stick to his area of expertise and knows he can't put a solid number on that. You can talk statistics, but not give an actual timeline. That said, our luck will eventually run out and best bet would be to leave.
rtmilburn
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Agreed 10000%
Aleksandar37
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What's the definition of medically underserved? I know all the green in the left corner of the state is very rural mountains and is definitely not close to high level treatment. FWIW, we do he government run hospitals that don't do a good job, called the VA.
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And I agree with you on VAs. They're the example I constatntly used against Obamacare and any government intervention in medical treatments. We don't have to talk about theoreticals when we have the failed VA experiment to look at. I've known both patients and physicians who have been at VA hospitals and their comments are always the same.
ax1
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Some people will leave, most of us will be left behind.
rtmilburn
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The VA in Boise Idaho is actually really good, at least when compared to the rest, but it still is subpar; to regular medicine. Apparently vet will travel to the Boise va because it's way better than the rest
Aleksandar37
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ax1
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Im only 40....if I make it 50 years when Im 90 by then we should be easily all set for that. 50 years is plenty of time. Ive listened to Jeff Bezos and Musk and I dont think they are being patient about this. Also, I truly believe the government is 25-50 years ahead on tech than the government already leads us to believe.
youngandfree
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ax1
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I heard LV-426 is a fantastic place...send them there!
BennyMagoo79
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Actually space exploration may, theoretically, render capitalism and 'right' social structures obsolete as we would experience a long period of infinite supply.
BennyMagoo79
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BennyMagoo79
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The one issue which concerns me above all, is the sustained reduction in disposable income for our middle class as our oen firms bask in unprecedented sustained growth. This is why I commented on tax revenue and healthcare. I feel as though globalisation has been used to create an apparatus which strips the individual of economic rights in favour of the firm. I believe we are being setup for economic catastrophe and ultimately war.
All these "issues" are a distraction.
All these "issues" are a distraction.
rtmilburn
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I totally agree here. My coworker is ex marine, he can't he even tell what division or unit or anything. He retired and started working at Langley. He is now a master tech aka high level mechanic at my work. He says the things and tech he worked on would blow your fuking mind. I keep trying to get him to give some deets on anything and he won't. Closes he gave me was he used to repair planes that could almost hit mach 7 and that was back in the late 80s when he was doing that work. There were no planes until more recently that could come close to that speed.
Aleksandar37
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That might be true for the mechanical side of things, but it's not for the biological advancements that need to happen. And none of this will happen as long as the people in the public and government continue to undermine scientific research simply because it's too hard for them to understand.
rtmilburn
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Plus ethics can get in the way on the biological side. As you can't do inhumane things in the name of science, and rightfully so. I've said it over and over that if the Nazis won the war we would be a much more advanced society and much more technologically-advanced as well. However the means of which they got there is not worth it. The methods used by the nazis, even the US but to a lesser extent, during that time period was mortifying.
thebigt
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lol...I use the VA as my primary healthcare....murphy's law is definitely in effect!!!