Chudmuffin
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Legal prohormones in 2017?
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Nac
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5'9
225
8%
...is not average genetics. He been training for four years already and is 27. The stats he is after is the exception (and even then I doubt its possible natty; look at Casey Butt's natty predictions...no-one has ever surpassed them documented, its all e-statting).
TheBigJS
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The only thing that increases Test is Test (well it doesn't it surpresses it like everything else, but it also is test so you have more)
The HodgeTwins
A; have great genetics
B; are round 200lb and 10-12%bf
C; probably aren't natty
D; are 6'+ tall!
As for your list Google "anti-aromatase & PCT" or don't but if not get ready to google "gynocomastia surgery"
2manyprojects
Member
Read the topics on this site everything you need to you will find
farshad
Banned
Sure..
mattwv
New member
While your taking what compound(s) from your list?
farshad
Banned
I was thinking of doing EPI 2A 3A by Vital Labs and GH MK-677 first.
Juicedeez utz
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No, if you look ok google, epi is actually anti estrogenic..... just do what you like bro and stop wasting people's time
APC80
Active member
No not with epistane
TheBigJS
Member
Take the anti e extreme if you want, it won't do a damn thing, complete waste of money.
As to the question you're really asking "do I need an AI with EPI 2A 3A" the answer is the same as any other OTC fairly legal might be anabolic if the stars are in line compound;
Maybe, but probably not, however anyone ANYONE running something that might increase Estrogen should have some Clomid and some Novadex on hand, in the cupboard, just incase. WTF would you not? Especially if you're going to move on to bigger and better things that absolutely will require them.
As you know (LMAO, you don't know the time of day) Epi cannot aromatise but neither can Ostarine, you go Google Ostarine gyno or Ostarine shutdown
What happens is the Epi binds to androgen receptors in skeletal muscle cells and muscle stem cells, this is where some of your natty Test would normally end up. This results in more of your natty test floating around (as all the androgen receptors are taken) which may lead to an increase in libedo, or may lead to more being aromatased into estrogen (so you will need an AI) or may (and eventually will) lead to a reduction and near shutdown in your natty test levels which if LH and FSH drop too low absolutely will need a proper PCT (Clomid or Novadex, not some OTC herbs!).
All of which is pretty much irrelevent, if you (at 5'7"?) want to be 220lb and lean you're going to need to be sourcing and injecting Class III drugs to get there and probably to stay there for at least 3 or 4 years. It does appear to me if people maintain a certain (unnatural) size for a long time they can stay near it (a little less muscle and slightly fatter, but still above natty limits) when they come off if they train hard enough and eat well enough.
BennyMagoo79
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Just get some LGD, run it at 10mg/day for 12weeks, then Nolva 20mg/day for 4 weeks. Ideally get bloodtest before, at 6wks, 12wks and then after. Eat lots of good quality food (LGD might tax ur liver so eat well lots of greens) increase ur volume and be prepared for natural test supression and associated lethargy (dhea may help with this). Dont take AIs during cycle, if u start growing tits stop taking it and start the nolva (you wont grow tits if its legit but may experience sore joints). Dont go overboars and definitely dont stack for your first run.
ericos_bob
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The best legal steroid for you is micronized Creatine. Highly anabolic and doesn't require PCT. Should see some nice gains after a couple months if you train hard. In the mean time you could spend the next couple months doing more research on SERMs and PH's for a second cycle.
Eight
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This is the thread that just keeps on giving. Mostly posting so I don't miss anything (and to see my name in here).
On a side note: I've been thinking since I joined what an amazing place this is. So much knowledge and experience, and people who try very hard to help others and keep them safe. This thread really demonstrates that. Good on you all.
On a side note: I've been thinking since I joined what an amazing place this is. So much knowledge and experience, and people who try very hard to help others and keep them safe. This thread really demonstrates that. Good on you all.
farshad
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YEAH being called a retard every 3 posts is very Helpful!
TheBigJS
Member
You posted a silly question. Asking what the best PED is is a bit like asking what the best method of transport is.
Without aims and facts it cannot be answered. The fact you didn't know or understand that labels you as "a retard".
farshad
Banned
HOW tf am I supposed to know that like I said im NEW what part of that don't you guys understand? I don't know as much as you know about this topic.
rowz4broz
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you are choosing to ignore what everyone is saying about required serm and then directing towards an OTC ai.
YOU NEED TO DO RESEARCH ON A PROPER PCT METHOD
also prior to running any of those compounds u need to research them too... to see how it will interact with your body
Juicedeez utz
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Yes they have steroid dogs dotted everywhere
mike33511
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If you're talking about the list of stuff you ordered, then you'll be fine. Injectable AAS from an overseas lab would be a different story...
The_Old_Guy
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I am so bad at spotting Trolls...
TheBigJS
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POIDH
Johnston
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I am curious to see your current pics. I don't think you should go anywhere NEAR this stuff until you've come close to maximising your genetic potential. No one should. Your lack of research in to this entire area and the fact you've just gone and bought a load of stuff that if taken incorrectly could potentially kill you, or at minimum f**k you up for life, leads me to question how far you've actually been able to progress naturally if your lack of research in this field is indicative of how you approach fitness and life in general. This is serious sh1t, don't f**k yourself up... no one here wants to see that. You're only getting flamed because most people here do actually care, but you're not meeting anyone halfway. The 'what car should I buy' analogy is pretty spot on, except buying the wrong car isn't necessarily going to kill you. This could.
TSMilliner
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You came into a forum of knowledgeable folks and asked a question. When you were asked for clarifying info you got indignant, then you went full tilt into saying you were ordering almost every PH and Sarm on the market with apparently no idea what you were doing.
When stating your goals, you put forth what I believe to be an almost unattainable body dimension, and then when questioned you put forth more garbage that didn't make sense to most of us.
I think your a troll that is just looking to see who you can provoke, but if not then I suggest that since you don't even seem to have the most basic knowledge of this stuff that you spend the next few weeks reading posts and learning.
If your not a troll,
Based on what I am reading, you probably need to start simple and make sure your diet and other factors are in line before jumping into the pool of Prohormones and Sarms.
At 27 your test levels should still be fairly high and conducive to good results with simple staples like Creatine, BCAA's and a good protein source along with a proper diet for growth. There are plenty of Natural Anabolics that will take you to the next level after that before you try Prohormones. Even if you jump in to PH, and you grow 15 pounds of muscle in a cycle, (which won't happen on any PH or Sarm) your body would still be trying to catch up and you will likely end up injured in some fashion and probably with your body in complete hormonal disorder. (does depression, lethargy, and a dick that doesn't work sound fun?)
Johnston
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Nailed it. Death or a totally f**ked hormonal system is a pretty HUGE difference... for once everyone in this thread will be in 100% agreement with you.
rtmilburn
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Retard
JahCure
Member
I'm beginning to lean more towards troll after his most recent comment.
Either way, this thread has been very enjoyable and I thank you for that, retard troll.
rtmilburn
Well-known member
Lol
farshad
Banned
yeah whatever just waiting for the steroids to arrive. gonna try Methylstenbolone as you guys said its the most potent. if anything you guys are behaving more like a troll . And I know you guys get pushed around all day because your BETA and you take out your frustration together with other BETA males on someone else on the net.
mike33511
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Good. Take 50mg a day for 12 weeks with no on-cycle support and nothing for PCT. Drink copious amounts of alcohol while on it and limit water intake to no more than 2 liters a day.
Smont
Legend
Crystal Methabol is pretty strong for prohormones, as for sarms go over to isarms.com
SFreed
Board Supporter
LMAO!!!!! No wonder we all like you so much.
rtmilburn
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Lol I try I try
SFreed
Board Supporter
You should start another thread asking what you can take to get taller. 5' 9" is pretty short.
TSMilliner
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Beta? I am going to crawl back into my safe space now that you have hurt my feelings.
rtmilburn
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Or if hands size correlates to dick size
ryane87
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This is the best you have? hehe
Juicedeez utz
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Strong comeback ALPHA
TheBigJS
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They will not make anything like the difference you think they will.
You're 170lbs and have been training for years, I can tell you now you flat out do not eat enough and never have.
Nac
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Even inj AAS will not get him where he wants to be in the timeframe I suspect he wants.
This is one reason its a damn good idea to research the fuk out of all this sh1t before buying a smorgasboard of crap you know zilch about, based probably on the recommendation of the store which is only interested in parting you from your $$
APC80
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Of course it won't, 225 and 5'9"? Same height and 25lb heavier than an off season Frank Zane!
The forums are full of people who are 200+ and proper lean....funny how the gyms never are
Just an example here's Reggie Bush 200lbs at 6'
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And OP wants to be 225 at 5'9" lol
ryane87
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Because of the gym bro behind the counter being dishonest to make a couple of extra bucks. People are shytty in general.
Rad83
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Sometimes it's that....But a lot of these products are bought online.....You've got to be lucky to have an indie health/supplement store in your area. By me its all vitamin shoppe and GNC...