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Epistane and Halodrol cycle, please, any advice would be greatly appreciated!!!

No joke. It's a good idea to keep an AI on hand for PCT with Epistane due to the potential rebound gyno. I personally think the chances of that are pretty slim, but they are still there.

You're not supposed to run an AI alongside epistane because epistane is very anti-estrogenic as it is.
 
Clipper83 said:
No joke. It's a good idea to keep an AI on hand for PCT with Epistane due to the potential rebound gyno. I personally think the chances of that are pretty slim, but they are still there.

You're not supposed to run an AI alongside epistane because epistane is very anti-estrogenic as it is.
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Yes. That why you should run it with something that will aromatize (wet) like 4Andro or Trest. You would NOT want to use something like EPI Andro during this run.
 
milanownz said:
No sense to stack them??
I've read they can be added for a better and faster recovery!!
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IMO no. Clomid should restart hpta just fine.

I keep nolva on hand in case any on cycle issues arise while using something like trest.
 
What about Kingsguard at 3caps a day + 500mg Tudca ed as liver support?? Are the doses enough just for Epistane???
 
I know you have tudca. At 6 caps you still need more and your halfing the dose of all the other good stuff. That's why I say run it at 6 caps and add 250 of extra tudca to it.
 
Ehm guys, what you think about adding some Halodrol at 50mg for the last 4weeks to my Epistane and Sup3r-4 cycle?
Any advice should be very appreciated
Thanks
 
milanownz said:
Ehm guys, what you think about adding some Halodrol at 50mg for the last 4weeks to my Epistane and Sup3r-4 cycle?
Any advice should be very appreciated
Thanks
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Your probably going to be good with just the epistane. Save the halo for an additional cycle later.
 
Hey guys, is it good to add some 0.5mg cabaser once a week during the cycle of epi + sup4r 4 or it'll be better to take it on pct?? I'm on my third week and noticing some transparent microtears if i push my nipples, but no gyno (they are absolutely small and normal as a man should have).
 
microtears in your nipple? I have never heard that term before and it sounds bloody terrifying lol... do you mean like stuff coming out of the nip or that your nipple is torn? haha i believe its the former, but i panicked for a second lol
 
Sparta12 said:
microtears in your nipple? I have never heard that term before and it sounds bloody terrifying lol... do you mean like stuff coming out of the nip or that your nipple is torn? haha i believe its the former, but i panicked for a second lol
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Oh lol, i mean some little tears if i squeeze it... :)
Btw seems to be disappeared atm
 
JahCure said:
Stop squeezing your nips bro!!
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Sure bro!!
Btw, i'm in the 4th week of my epistane and sup3r-4 cycle, everything is perfect i just would up the dose of sup3r4 at 550mg ed for the last 5weeks. Thoughts?? Should i start taking some exemestane at 12.5 a week for water retention or epistane will still be om for.it??
 
What are you looking to get out of upping the 4? Are you experiencing some sides you are trying to counter?

I'm pretty sure there are diminishing returns since your body only has so much enzymes to process these from what I've read.
 
elo76 said:
What are you looking to get out of upping the 4? Are you experiencing some sides you are trying to counter?

I'm pretty sure there are diminishing returns since your body only has so much enzymes to process these from what I've read.
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Oh well, i've started at 330 for 2 weeks, upped to 440 for this week and i'd finish at 550mg fpr the last 4/5 weeks. Is it just useless or i'd get some pros upping it in terms of libido and lean mass gains??
 
Btw, i got other 200+ caps pf Sup3r-4 Elite and 5weeks until i finish the EPISTANE cycle so, can i go for 5caps a day??
 
Well...not sure what you will get other than a libido boost and maybe some estro sides. The only way to know is to try it. When I ran my first Andro cycle I tried to find some data of people running high doses of 4 Andro and there wasn't much out there.
 
elo76 said:
Well...not sure what you will get other than a libido boost and maybe some estro sides. The only way to know is to try it. When I ran my first Andro cycle I tried to find some data of people running high doses of 4 Andro and there wasn't much out there.
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At 550mg with Epistane at 60mg should i add some exemestane at 12.5mg every week?? Or Epi will fight estro sides??
 
milanownz said:
At 550mg with Epistane at 60mg should i add some exemestane at 12.5mg every week?? Or Epi will fight estro sides??
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Epi is really strong for estrogen control on cycle. I wouldnt use any AI, even with 550 mg/day of 4andro. Save the exem for PCT when you will def need it to prevent rebound gyno. You gotta remember, estrogen is not the enemy. You need a decent level to get the most out of your cycle. You actually lose fat burning potential when your estrogen is too low.
 
hazard12 said:
Epi is really strong for estrogen control on cycle. I wouldnt use any AI, even with 550 mg/day of 4andro. Save the exem for PCT when you will def need it to prevent rebound gyno. You gotta remember, estrogen is not the enemy. You need a decent level to get the most out of your cycle. You actually lose fat burning potential when your estrogen is too low.
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Perfect. As i just asked before, would you suggest exe after pct or during it??
 
milanownz said:
Perfect. As i just asked before, would you suggest exe after pct or during it??
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I would start it at the beginning of PCT but start low. You wanna catch the rebound before it gets started but you also dont wanna have 0 estrogen. I would start with 6.25mg on day 1 and dose the same E3D. Then you can bump it up to 12.5 E3D about 2 weeks into PCT when your test levels bounce back and you can make more estrogen.

However be attentive, these are all general numbers, you gotta keep an eye out for symptoms of low estrogen and high estrogen and adjust accordingly.
 
hazard12 said:
I would start it at the beginning of PCT but start low. You wanna catch the rebound before it gets started but you also dont wanna have 0 estrogen. I would start with 6.25mg on day 1 and dose the same E3D. Then you can bump it up to 12.5 E3D about 2 weeks into PCT when your test levels bounce back and you can make more estrogen.

However be attentive, these are all general numbers, you gotta keep an eye out for symptoms of low estrogen and high estrogen and adjust accordingly.
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Thanks a lot bro.
 
Hi guys, a quick update o my epi sup3r4 cycle. I'm in the fourth week at 60mg epi and 550mg sup3r4 and i'm noticing a great increase in muscle mass, strenght and vascularity. I'm just experiencing a little problem,but sincerely i dunno if i'd relate to epi or to training volume; btw i'm suffering somce yesterday of some little pain in my right back (at kidney position). I mean, i feel it when i'm in standing position and nothing when i'm on bed or sitted. I'm drinking 4/5lt of water a day, my urine is transaprent or a little yellow and i have no problem to urinate (i mean, it's as always a normal thing to do for me,no pain, nothing). What could it be?? I'm worrying about a kidney problem but not sure about it; maybe it's just a back pump poblem. What you think??
 
milanownz said:
Hi guys, a quick update o my epi sup3r4 cycle. I'm in the fourth week at 60mg epi and 550mg sup3r4 and i'm noticing a great increase in muscle mass, strenght and vascularity. I'm just experiencing a little problem,but sincerely i dunno if i'd relate to epi or to training volume; btw i'm suffering somce yesterday of some little pain in my right back (at kidney position). I mean, i feel it when i'm in standing position and nothing when i'm on bed or sitted. I'm drinking 4/5lt of water a day, my urine is transaprent or a little yellow and i have no problem to urinate (i mean, it's as always a normal thing to do for me,no pain, nothing). What could it be?? I'm worrying about a kidney problem but not sure about it; maybe it's just a back pump poblem. What you think??
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Are you stretching thoroughly? This is something that people overlook and it is SO GODDAMN IMPORTANT. You could be feeling your hip flexors being short and pulling on your spine at the kidney level. Try stretching the inside of your legs, quads and hip flexors (you can find good stretches on youtube).

It could also be back pumps and for that taurine is your friend, 4g/day should improve things.

If I were you, id do both. Start with stretches until you get the taurine and then do the stretches and take the taurine daily to keep things flowing.
 
hazard12 said:
Are you stretching thoroughly? This is something that people overlook and it is SO GODDAMN IMPORTANT. You could be feeling your hip flexors being short and pulling on your spine at the kidney level. Try stretching the inside of your legs, quads and hip flexors (you can find good stretches on youtube).

It could also be back pumps and for that taurine is your friend, 4g/day should improve things.

If I were you, id do both. Start with stretches until you get the taurine and then do the stretches and take the taurine daily to keep things flowing.
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Thanks bro, so you think it's not kidneys related then??
It's really strange also because it's located in proximity of right kidney (at left i got nothing)...
 
milanownz said:
Thanks bro, so you think it's not kidneys related then??
It's really strange also because it's located in proximity of right kidney (at left i got nothing)...
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Yeah, thats what makes me believe its not actually kidney related. Most likely you have a muscle imbalance due to posture that is shortening the right hip flexors or psoas. Their attachment is really close to the kidneys and you could be very well mistaking the pain as coming from your kidneys when its not. Hard to tell without examining you but you can rule out by doing the things I mentioned.
 
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