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Any real modest muscle building T. Boosters?

Driven2lift said:
But you're in range, why spend the money anyways. No additional results even if it raised values within range. (As many studies do show btw, unfortunate you've had no luck)

No real results from it anyways though aside from libido.

The results come to those who are lower than their natural set point, lowered by age or something else.
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Because another common myth, widely propagated on this board, is a 100 to 200 point bump from bottom of the 'Normal' range can make a significant difference to your well being, mood and energy. Broscience I suspect as since using a 'non-natty' alternative ,that has significantly increased my test Ive not noticed any marked improvement to mood, energy etc. A large part of this is placebo I reckon
 
And the price seems to reflect that! Any blood work on it? That's a little too pricey just to tryout. To be fair though, at least it's not in the $150-$200 range like some supplements. That's getting up there in price to be in a TRT program.
 
ucheoma said:
Because another common myth, widely propagated on this board, is a 100 to 200 point bump from bottom of the 'Normal' range can make a significant difference to your well being, mood and energy. Broscience I suspect as since using 'non-natty' alternative ,that have significantly increased my test Ive not noticed any marked improvement to mood, energy etc. A large part of this is placebo I reckon
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So you are affirming my point?

 
ucheoma said:
Because another common myth, widely propagated on this board, is a 100 to 200 point bump from bottom of the 'Normal' range can make a significant difference to your well being, mood and energy. Broscience I suspect as since using a 'non-natty' alternative ,that has significantly increased my test Ive not noticed any marked improvement to mood, energy etc. A large part of this is placebo I reckon
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Another common myth on this forum is that an ingredient commonly referred to as, or included in, a "test booster" won't have any effects on body composition or performance simply because it won't increase normal testosterone levels to supraphysiological levels, which ignores other potential MoAs that these ingredients may work via. For example, both ashwagandha and forskolin have research showing that they can give you a little boost in testosterone, and also that they can improve body composition and/or some aspect of performance, but their primary MOAs are not increasing testosterone, so it's largely irrelevant that they won't increase testosterone to supraphysiological levels; think about ashwagandha's role as an adaptogen and forskolin's effect on cAMP. Does that mean that these ingredients should be considered as something other than "test boosters?" Is that just semantics? I still think they have a place in a "test booster" as they do technically increase testosterone, and will provide benefits associated with increased testosterone, even if those benefits aren't technically coming from increased testosterone, although testosterone will still be a bit elevated. But really, if you already have normal t-levels, what are you taking a booster for? Simply to raise a number on a lab sheet that you know won't actually have practical effects as it's still in the normal range? It's more likely that these people use a "test booster" for benefits they think of when they think of testosterone; strength, body composition, mood, libido, etc. If a product provides you with these, isn't that more important than if your already normal testosterone levels increased by 50 or 200 points?
 
^I barely view those as test boosters anymore.

Forskolin is better known as a fat loss agent rather than a T-booster everywhere I see it come up, and Ash is an adaptogen first a foremost to me.

I know your point though and well said. A lot of great ingredients have additional hormonal benefits that can sometimes lead to it being labeled a Test-booster when it may actually be "better" at something else as with your examples.

But we can agree that shopping with the intent to get a product that (claims to) raise your testosterone is not in their best interest.

A testosterone increase still within physiologic range has no impact on aesthetics or strength/performance that we have seen in study.
The few times you see test boosters having positive results the participants are either deficient or advanced in years to a point that drop-off from their normal level could have started. (Middle aged+ I would then consider it)

Going above range won't happen on anything natural. If it does, let us know because that s#]/ is gold or spiked...
 
Driven2lift said:
^I barely view those as test boosters anymore.

Forskolin is better known as a fat loss agent rather than a T-booster everywhere I see it come up, and Ash is an adaptogen first a foremost to me.

I know your point though and well said. A lot of great ingredients have additional hormonal benefits that can sometimes lead to it being labeled a Test-booster when it may actually be "better" at something else as with your examples.

But we can agree that shopping with the intent to get a product that (claims to) raise your testosterone is not in their best interest.

A testosterone increase still within physiologic range has no impact on aesthetics or strength/performance that we have seen in study.
The few times you see test boosters having positive results the participants are either deficient or advanced in years to a point that drop-off from their normal level could have started. (Middle aged+ I would then consider it)

Going above range won't happen on anything natural. If it does, let us know because that s#]/ is gold or spiked...
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I know what you're saying, I guess I'm try to say is that people with normal t-levels shouldn't automatically ignore all "test boosters" because they won't increase their levels to supraphysiological levels, as effective test boosters (that may be better called something else, who knows), can still provide the benefits they're looking for, within reason of course. I'd put things like AlphaMax XT, Testify, and M-Test in this category; they're labeled as "test boosters," and they may not increase testosterone levels to supraphysiological levels, but they can still provide people with normal testosterone levels with benefits including improved body composition, mood, libido, etc. I know that you know this, but I'm just trying to clarify things for anyone who may be reading this and thinking that anything labeled a "test booster" isn't for them because they have normal testosterone levels. The key is to just look for ingredients that have studies/research showing benefits in healthy people with normal t-levels, not just people with low-T.
 
Can't say ive noticed any of the commonly cited benefits from these 'all in 1' test boosters. I'd even dispute if Ash and Forskolin increase test in the real world however 'slightly', certainly based off my experience of using a test booster that contained both

I have noticed some benefits from taking certain single ingredients (not test boosting benefits) compared to taking blended products eg Ash so my strategy is to target specific ingredients as and when i require. This bespoke approach gives me more control over my dosing and quality specifications. It also gives me greater flexibility in terms of my stacking goals as opposed to pre-stacked / packaged ingredients. Of course this is just my personal preference. Others might have differing requirements such as convenience
 
ucheoma said:
This is the honest truth. Have you thought about using a SERM like Clomid. Not natty but it will boost your test without most of the sides that come from traditional TRT protocols. Take my word a far better use of your money than the options mentioned above
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Ive been reading about that method but I'm totally ignorant on how to get started, where to get it, and how to use it in a healthy but productive way.
 
Can't talk about it on here. Some good threads on how to use it in the Anabolics boards. Where to get it?...you need to do your own google research .
 
I always prefer to use something topical, since I have extremely high stomach acid and most things either upset my stomach, or cause reflux. I upped my dose of curcumin and my stomach is paying for it.
 
Pec.Major said:
Arachidonic acid
Tomatidine
Ursolic Acid
Tribulus
Ecdysterone
Creatine
HMB
etc.
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Ecklonia Cava
epicatechin
phosphatidic acid

Never heard Tribulis called a natural anabolic.

Its more similar in action to HCG, and boosts your LH / FSH levels, which In turn boost
your testosterone levels. And there is only a handful of brands that have been standardized
to get the correct amount of saponins and phytosteroids, so most Tribulis is bunk.
 
vujade said:
Ecklonia Cava
epicatechin
phosphatidic acid

Never heard Tribulis called a natural anabolic.

Its more similar in action to HCG, and boosts your LH / FSH levels, which In turn boost
your testosterone levels. And there is only a handful of brands that have been standardized
to get the correct amount of saponins and phytosteroids, so most Tribulis is bunk.
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Know any of the good brands?
 
Urge, just looked it up, seems like 99% of the herbal ingredients are rough on the gi tract. That's why I decided not to try Fenugreek.
 
Shiznown said:
Yeah, although if it causes gi tract issues I'm probably better off not taking it.
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Have you looked into Gut Health Ultimate for your stomach issues? It's a very strong prebiotic. I have been using it a few months now and I might never stop.
 
cubsfan815 said:
Have you looked into Gut Health Ultimate for your stomach issues? It's a very strong prebiotic. I have been using it a few months now and I might never stop.
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I'll look into it. In 2-3 weeks I'm going to have surgery for my acid reflux. I forget the term for it, but they tighten the connection at the base of the esophagus. I also have a hiatal hernia that the surgeon is going to fix. I know my stomach will still be acidic after the surgery, but at least I won't get reflux or rarely get it I hope.
 
Shiznown said:
I'll look into it. In 2-3 weeks I'm going to have surgery for my acid reflux. I forget the term for it, but they tighten the connection at the base of the esophagus. I also have a hiatal hernia that the surgeon is going to fix. I know my stomach will still be acidic after the surgery, but at least I won't get reflux or rarely get it I hope.
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Yeah reflux is no joke. Good luck with your surgery.
 
vujade said:
Ecklonia Cava
epicatechin
phosphatidic acid

Never heard Tribulis called a natural anabolic.

Its more similar in action to HCG, and boosts your LH / FSH levels, which In turn boost
your testosterone levels. And there is only a handful of brands that have been standardized
to get the correct amount of saponins and phytosteroids, so most Tribulis is bunk.
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I was mostly thinking on the adaptogen effects. But natural anabolic might be a wrong section for Tribulus.
 
I am blown away that with the title of this post the answer wasnt "No" in the first response ultimately ending the thread.


How did you achieve 73 responses, lol
 
Shiznown said:
More of a hard cycle off(like a month or two off), or can it be cycled similar to let's say longjack, as in 5 days on 2 off?
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I'm not familiar with the dosing protocols on (-)epi, but in terms of leutinizing hormone, I would suggest getting it checked professionally to see if it's been elevated or not. This will help you assess the time off needed, etc.
 
Okay thanks. I believe my LH came back as 8 last time I had it checked. If that's high normal, I guess better to take somethign that helps in another way. Test level was 474 on that test, free test was 93.
 
If using -(-)epi I would run it 7 day weeks, strait for 2-3 months or as otherwise labeled.

If the MoA is legit, it is serving you on off days as well. Because we don't have a study on 5-day dosing we can't know it would remain saturated, so I'd play it safe personally
 
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