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How To MAXIMIZIE A TD cycle?

hazard12 said:
caber is for prolactin control. Id go with invictus, strongest punch for your buck. You could also go with 11-kt for added anabolism or 7ketp for fat loss
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def would rather go with reduce xt over invictus.
now while on cycle if u using tren then save 11kt for non tren cycle .
 
hazard12 said:
You think 7-keto is a stronger cortisol blocker than b-AET?
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I'll chose oral supplements over TD any day .
tried both and saw better results with reduce xt .
now if ur a fan of td and u going to wait around for it to dry etc go ahead.
and yes invictus felt super greasy on my skin I hated that.
but ofcourse b aet better if someone offer it for good price in pills I'll buy it
 
hamdysayed said:
I'll chose oral supplements over TD any day .
tried both and saw better results with reduce xt .
now if ur a fan of td and u going to wait around for it to dry etc go ahead.
and yes invictus felt super greasy on my skin I hated that.
but ofcourse b aet better if someone offer it for good price in pills I'll buy it
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huh, i didnt look at it from that point of view. I already use a bunch of TDs so i will be drying out one way or another so not a big deal for me. I actually like the way invictus feels and smells but then again I only apply it to my midsection hoping itll locally inhibit the 11-HSD present in the fatty tissue there. It makes my skin feel tight and it reminds me of how my midsection used to feel when I was ripped 2-3 years ago haha
 
Oh, the reason I say id go with invictus is because out of all the cortisol blockers, its the only one that has given me simptoms of crushed cortisol when I dosed it sparingly. I only use 0.5ml-1ml post workout now to prevent crushing my cortisol too low. Ive dosed both 7-keto and 11-kt 3-4x my invictus dose and ive never experienced crushed cortisol that way but thats just my personal experience
 
hazard12 said:
Oh, the reason I say id go with invictus is because out of all the cortisol blockers, its the only one that has given me simptoms of crushed cortisol when I dosed it sparingly. I only use 0.5ml-1ml post workout now to prevent crushing my cortisol too low. Ive dosed both 7-keto and 11-kt 3-4x my invictus dose and ive never experienced crushed cortisol that way but thats just my personal experience
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I did experience dry joints on it , but yeah I just don't like yes, only reason why I use it when there is no other options ( excluding injections)
 
Think im going to try invictus, and use around midsection area. Hazard, how much a day you reccomend? Im running 3ml a day of td's at 100mg each tren,test,bold.
 
I started with 1ml a day and noticed an improvement. I ramped up to 2ml a day and thats when I started noticing the crashed cortisol. I was doing IF so low cortisol was very noticeable during the fasting part. I got dizzy and lethargic so I lowered to 1ml a day and when I started using 11-kt I lowered to 0-1ml depending on how stressed I am.
 
Since you are using a good amount of tren, Id suggest you start with 2ml a day. Tren already works as a glucocorticoid so even crushed cortisol wont feel like mine did. Id start with 2ml/day and work my way up until I find the sweet spot.
 
hazard12 said:
Since you are using a good amount of tren, Id suggest you start with 2ml a day. Tren already works as a glucocorticoid so even crushed cortisol wont feel like mine did. Id start with 2ml/day and work my way up until I find the sweet spot.
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Thanks bro
 
hamdysayed said:
because tren already SUPPRESSES ur cortisol
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Do you have any links to show this? I am interested in what the net glucocorticoid effect of tren is. I have read sources saying it binds to the glucocorticoid receptor, that it reduces cortisol but then again, its side effects are remarkably similar to high cortisol (lowered immune system, night sweats, insomnia, paranoia, etc...). I found an article saying it reduces cortisol binding to muscles, however, we are not concerned with muscles here, we are concerned with skin primarily and in the case of insomnia, etc.. it would be the CNS
 
Question, bc the td's are ester free how long do they stay detectable in your system?
 
hazard12 said:
Bry, are you taking anything to control cortisol? Ive read that cortisol causes streaking on skin surface and skin sensitivity. Ive had the same most of my life and ive also had elevated cortisol most of my life. I recently started taking a bunch of different cortisol blockers and it might have to do with why my skin has been tolerating the TDs so well
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Not right now but i have lots of times. I just have sensitive skin bro! Always have since i was a kid. Just the way it is.
 
But I've also heard tren stays in your system for around 5 months regardless of ester. Anyone else care to chime in?
 
For the past 2 weeks I have been using TD Trena from Transformation Labs at 2ml per day using a syringe to apply and yesterday my bp skyrocketed!

I was also on EpiAndro 1g and Sup3r1 330mg since 1st of June so just 5 days away from ending an 8 week cycle and the plan was to continue for another 2 (total 4) the TD Trena.

Until yesterday I had zero sides at all and all of a sudden I got high bp, 147/90. About an hour before measuring I was in a meeting and started feeling hot and my face was burning, wife said I was totally red.

Since then, my bp has been in the high 130/80 and stopped the cycle.

This morning I began my PCT regimen and continued taking on cycle support, Kingsguard.

Anyone else had similar experience and what did you do?
 
It probably just kicked in, it's powerful sh1t that stuff man. Anyway glad you tried it as I have a bottle of that same brand in my stash that will need using. Currently on integrity Td test, tren and msten, on week 3
 
solidsnake how do handle high bp, if you have, apart from OC support?

Measured it again just now and it was 142/81 and 2 hours ago was 128/80.

I'm almost 24hrs without any PH, seems body is trying to adapt perhaps...?
 
To be honest I don't really get high bp, but fish oil, cardio, pottasuim and keeping salt intake low helps as you probably already know. Are you experiencing any water retention? Maybe your e levels are high... if so a touch of Adex should help
 
solidsnake said:
To be honest I don't really get high bp, but fish oil, cardio, pottasuim and keeping salt intake low helps as you probably already know. Are you experiencing any water retention? Maybe your e levels are high... if so a touch of Adex should help
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Yeah I'm taking fish oil twice per day, might raise it to 3 caps a total of which will be 3g.

Don't see any water retention as I take regularly a supp called "Aqua Flow" which was suggested to me by my sports nutritionist. Nevertheless, I will start using tomorrow IL Virtus at. 5ml, getting Adex now will take at least 3 weeks to arrive.

Thanks and solidsnake enjoy your cycle! I might try tren again when it gets colder here, daily 42C degrees don't help at all...
 
JulzRulz
I had same situation like you using tren td by integrity
and bp shot high at one month mark and i had to stop it was too much it took few days for things to calm down .
will only be using bp meds when on cycle .
and solidsnake watch out
 
hamdysayed said:
JulzRulz
I had same situation like you using tren td by integrity
and bp shot high at one month mark and i had to stop it was too much it took few days for things to calm down .
will only be using bp meds when on cycle .
and solidsnake watch out
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Cheers bro I did a much longer run on Integrity test and tren both at 100mg/ml and 3 ml a day and was absolutely fine even with bold added at the final 4 weeks . I guess bp issues hit everyone in a different way.illnlet you know how i am when I finish the msten bro
 
solidsnake said:
It probably just kicked in, it's powerful sh1t that stuff man. Anyway glad you tried it as I have a bottle of that same brand in my stash that will need using. Currently on integrity Td test, tren and msten, on week 3
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Bro, just got me some more td test,tren,bold and adding dbol to this cycle. Integrity of course
 
solidsnake said:
Cheers bro I did a much longer run on Integrity test and tren both at 100mg/ml and 3 ml a day and was absolutely fine even with bold added at the final 4 weeks . I guess bp issues hit everyone in a different way.illnlet you know how i am when I finish the msten bro
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man I guess my body is sensitive on anabolics I tend to blow up and have crazy bp sides.
lucky you tho
 
hamdysayed said:
JulzRulz
I had same situation like you using tren td by integrity
and bp shot high at one month mark and i had to stop it was too much it took few days for things to calm down .
will only be using bp meds when on cycle .
and solidsnake watch out
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Yeah I thought so it will take awhile. My wife have me going strict for a few days, no caffeine, stim free pwo only etc.
 
From the start 2ml using a syringe. The liquid is runny and you have to apply fast as you may see some running off your shoulders. It doesn't smell bad, just a bit alcoholic.
 
Julz, what's your baseline BP? Maybe I'm wreckless but my BP goes higher than 147 yelling at my kids or watching football. My baseline is pretty much 120/80 give or take a few mm. I dont think that measure would trigger me to stop a cycle. Where do u guys usually draw the line?
 
solidsnake said:
Whoa niiiiice.. that's gonna be a killer cycle!!
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Never had bp issues. This last cycle was 12wks. Went through 6 bottles of test,tren,bold at 100mg each rubbing about 2-3ml ed. Didnt run any cycle supports or bp meds. Guess its very body dependant for sides, i can only say i had some bad back acne from the whole cycle.
 
celc5 said:
Julz, what's your baseline BP? Maybe I'm wreckless but my BP goes higher than 147 yelling at my kids or watching football. My baseline is pretty much 120/80 give or take a few mm. I dont think that measure would trigger me to stop a cycle. Where do u guys usually draw the line?
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Very true, kids and work raise my bp way higher than a td. I would honestly stop when i personally feel like i cant handle any more. Constant nose bleeds would probably be my limit
 
JulzRulz said:
From the start 2ml using a syringe. The liquid is runny and you have to apply fast as you may see some running off your shoulders. It doesn't smell bad, just a bit alcoholic.
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So this trena stuff, is it as good as the old methyl trenavar caps? First i am hearing that its a td form now but wondering about the potency. I might add to my cycle if its pretty legit, but then again thats alot of liquid each day to be rubbing and my skin gets very sensitiva after a while of usings td's and it really starts burning
 
celc5 said:
Julz, what's your baseline BP? Maybe I'm wreckless but my BP goes higher than 147 yelling at my kids or watching football. My baseline is pretty much 120/80 give or take a few mm. I dont think that measure would trigger me to stop a cycle. Where do u guys usually draw the line?
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My normal is around 120/80 as you said, give or take a few mm, never had gone above that. With that in mind when I measured it and saw 147 was kinda shocked.

Apart from feeling extremely hot and red faced didn't have any other uncomfortable sides.

The night sweats from day one were manageable, drop the air con temp and problem solved.
 
Erikeckert said:
So this trena stuff, is it as good as the old methyl trenavar caps? First i am hearing that its a td form now but wondering about the potency. I might add to my cycle if its pretty legit, but then again thats alot of liquid each day to be rubbing and my skin gets very sensitiva after a while of usings td's and it really starts burning
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I'm not affiliated with any company & I'm being totally honest when I say that this stuff is legit.

I run it for 2 weeks and the body changes I had during the second week were amazing, can only imagine what recomp I'd have if I had completed the cycle, but better be safe than sorry. Next time I'd be better prepared in that department.
 
Just ordered a bottle each of tren and test Td both at 200mg/ml to carry on my cycle, after the 4 weeks of msten is up I'm considering adding lgd 3303 into to mix to help keep and solidify the msten gains. Thoughts guys?
 
solidsnake said:
Just ordered a bottle each of tren and test Td both at 200mg/ml to carry on my cycle, after the 4 weeks of msten is up I'm considering adding lgd 3303 into to mix to help keep and solidify the msten gains. Thoughts guys?
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Sounds like it should help retain your gains. 200mg tren sounds amazing. I need to start making mine seperate so i can get mor mg per ml
 
solidsnake bro when using the td's does your skin get really sensitive after extended use? It gets to the point where its almost a unbearable burn. I try and rotate application sites but my chest and traps get realky irritated.
 
I do eventually but I've started using pure aloe vera gel,so what I do is in the morning apply the test/tren on one section (I have 4 sections or application sites I use) after I have applied them I wait 10 mins to dry then add sanitiser and aloe vera. But then I also apply aloe vera to the other 3 sections. So morning section 1( left shoulder, clavicle inner bicep) evening section 2 ( the other side of shoulder etc) and apply aloe to other 3 sections. Then the day after sections 3 and 4 ( inner thigh, back of calves and tops of feet) and again I always apply the aloe vera to all sections. Seems to be going very well, very minor irritation if any bro..
 
solidsnake said:
I do eventually but I've started using pure aloe vera gel,so what I do is in the morning apply the test/tren on one section (I have 4 sections or application sites I use) after I have applied them I wait 10 mins to dry then add sanitiser and aloe vera. But then I also apply aloe vera to the other 3 sections. So morning section 1( left shoulder, clavicle inner bicep) evening section 2 ( the other side of shoulder etc) and apply aloe to other 3 sections. Then the day after sections 3 and 4 ( inner thigh, back of calves and tops of feet) and again I always apply the aloe vera to all sections. Seems to be going very well, very minor irritation if any bro..
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Def. Gonna try that bro. Thanks!
 
JulzRulz said:
solidsnake how long have you been on cycle?

You must've some great gains so far!
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Just started my 3Rd week up 9 lb and lost a descent amount of bf. Looking jacked too! Making gains everywhere. One bad thing... lethargy has been kicking my arse big time but I've changed my training times and that's helped a lot. Libido is sky high too. Overall... loving it bro! oh yeah back pumps too when I wake up but 10g of taurine gets rid of that pronto
 
solidsnake said:
Just started my 3Rd week up 9 lb and lost a descent amount of bf. Looking jacked too! Making gains everywhere. One bad thing... lethargy has been kicking my arse big time but I've changed my training times and that's helped a lot. Libido is sky high too. Overall... loving it bro! oh yeah back pumps too when I wake up but 10g of taurine gets rid of that pronto
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Nice, keep it going.

I was fighting lethargy with lots of coffee and stims so must have played a role in my situation.
 
JulzRulz said:
Nice, keep it going.

I was fighting lethargy with lots of coffee and stims so must have played a role in my situation.
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Yup, in the am before i workout i slam back 10 oz black coffee and then before i arrive at the gym i drink my mesomorph and 20 min later im zooted for my workouts no lethargy.
 
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