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scully55 said:
I plan on running a 6 week cycle of dmz, dosed at 30/30/45/45/45/45 followed by 4 weeks of nolva. I plan on taking cycle armor by lecheek nutrition during cycle. Anything I should add or change, please let me know.
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You better run a base with it. And get a better support supp like ar1micare pro from Olympus labs
 
scully55 said:
I plan on running a 6 week cycle of dmz, dosed at 30/30/45/45/45/45 followed by 4 weeks of nolva. I plan on taking cycle armor by lecheek nutrition during cycle. Anything I should add or change, please let me know.
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yea, add max lmg at 75mg each day.
 
Which would you prefer to run...if they were available:

LGI's T-Var or OL UK Trest?

Test base needed?
 
shockrock3 said:
Which would you prefer to run...if they were available:

LGI's T-Var or OL UK Trest?

Test base needed?
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If you havent ran any, id run trest first. They will both shut you down but trest wont need a test base and itll have less sides than tvar, your only concern really is having a good AI. Plus ive read over and over that tvar has even more sides than tren...so yeah.
 
shockrock3 said:
T-Var will convert directly to Tren. Trest (MENT) is structured like 19-Nor-DHEA (Tren/Deca).

So no they are not the same.
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I'm aware. I guess it would have been more clear if I had said, "if you only have oral trest, then run the trenavar."
 
mike33511 said:
I'm aware. I guess it would have been more clear if I had said, "if you only have oral trest, then run the trenavar."
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Gotcha man....I have tons of goodies lol, was going to run either with Halodrol and 11 KT. Just trying to figure out which one would be "best".
 
TacTownbeast said:
Thoughts on masteron for strength athletes. I'm a strength athlete (powerlifter/strongman) competing in a certain weight class in a non drug tested federation. I'm new to pinning but have done several PH cycles. Was thinking about a 12 cycle that covers 2 competitions. In on TRT so there will be no PCT.
weeks 1-12) Test E @ 250mg/week
Weeks 1-6) Epistane @30/30/30/45/45/45
Weeks 7-12) masteron @ 300mg/week

I know 12 weeks of masteron would be better, but that's all I have. If I like it, I'll do that next time. Also I'm of the philosophy that less is more, and health and longevity is priority. So I'm not interested in "max" doses. Thanks for any feedback.
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For strength gains?
I powerlift and I'm thinking about adding mast to my cycle of deca and test.
But not so much to get stronger but to keep dry.
The deca so far has been the best for strength.
When I did a dbol test cycle once the dbol was gone I was achy from high levels of test only.
The deca is so soothing on the joints it's great.
But I think mast will be a good addition for me.
We are competing in july
 
habajaba said:
I'll sell or trade you unopened bottles or oral tr3st and dermatrest + partial bottle of oral. Straight from Nutriverse. I stocked up but unfortunately I'm a non-responder!
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You must not have androgen receptors or it's bunk.
 
brofessorx said:
You must not have androgen receptors or it's bunk.
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Yeah. Well the oral was straight from Nutriverse and the latest batch. The derma I used was off another member because stores were still out of stock at the time. The derma I have left is the one I got from NV when it came back in stock. Anyway, 2 totally different batches for sure. Could the derma have been bunk? Maybe. Both? No.

No results from either one. The oral, I could take 3 (75mg) PWO and feel zip, zero, nada. I used 1ml derma morning and night too. Nothing. The only reason I bought 2 cycles' worth is I was convinced it would work insanely well based on other's experience. No dice here...
 
habajaba said:
Yeah. Well the oral was straight from Nutriverse and the latest batch. The derma I used was off another member because stores were still out of stock at the time. The derma I have left is the one I got from NV when it came back in stock. Anyway, 2 totally different batches for sure. Could the derma have been bunk? Maybe. Both? No.

No results from either one. The oral, I could take 3 (75mg) PWO and feel zip, zero, nada. I used 1ml derma morning and night too. Nothing. The only reason I bought 2 cycles' worth is I was convinced it would work insanely well based on other's experience. No dice here...
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That's def a bummer. I've never used oral or td trest, only injectable, so not sure of dosing or how long to notice effects.
But personally if it was me, I'd run them together at recommended dosages till empty before I said it didn't work.
Even with injectable trest phenyl/ace it takes a couple weeks of eod injections to see changes
 
habajaba said:
Yeah. Well the oral was straight from Nutriverse and the latest batch. The derma I used was off another member because stores were still out of stock at the time. The derma I have left is the one I got from NV when it came back in stock. Anyway, 2 totally different batches for sure. Could the derma have been bunk? Maybe. Both? No.

No results from either one. The oral, I could take 3 (75mg) PWO and feel zip, zero, nada. I used 1ml derma morning and night too. Nothing. The only reason I bought 2 cycles' worth is I was convinced it would work insanely well based on other's experience. No dice here...
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How the hell is this possible? I don't think the nutri-verse trest products (Olympus Labs) are bunk. A friend of mine used Trest from nutriverse, and he exploded. Anyone with knowledge on trest can chime in?
 
habajaba said:
Yeah. Well the oral was straight from Nutriverse and the latest batch. The derma I used was off another member because stores were still out of stock at the time. The derma I have left is the one I got from NV when it came back in stock. Anyway, 2 totally different batches for sure. Could the derma have been bunk? Maybe. Both? No.

No results from either one. The oral, I could take 3 (75mg) PWO and feel zip, zero, nada. I used 1ml derma morning and night too. Nothing. The only reason I bought 2 cycles' worth is I was convinced it would work insanely well based on other's experience. No dice here...
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By the way, habajaba, how long did you use those trest products? Also, if I remember correctly, you posted bloodwork that showed increased testosterone when you were on a epidrone and sup3r-4 cycle. I have just started sup3r-4 elite today. Did you do another test after a while of using sup3r-4?
 
habajaba said:
Yeah. Well the oral was straight from Nutriverse and the latest batch. The derma I used was off another member because stores were still out of stock at the time. The derma I have left is the one I got from NV when it came back in stock. Anyway, 2 totally different batches for sure. Could the derma have been bunk? Maybe. Both? No.

No results from either one. The oral, I could take 3 (75mg) PWO and feel zip, zero, nada. I used 1ml derma morning and night too. Nothing. The only reason I bought 2 cycles' worth is I was convinced it would work insanely well based on other's experience. No dice here...
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twista said:
How the hell is this possible? I don't think the nutri-verse trest products (Olympus Labs) are bunk. A friend of mine used Trest from nutriverse, and he exploded. Anyone with knowledge on trest can chime in?
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brofessorx said:
That's def a bummer. I've never used oral or td trest, only injectable, so not sure of dosing or how long to notice effects.
But personally if it was me, I'd run them together at recommended dosages till empty before I said it didn't work.
Even with injectable trest phenyl/ace it takes a couple weeks of eod injections to see changes
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This isn't unheard of. Compounds effect everyone differently. Some people respond better to different things.
habajaba I can't grab them right now but if you still have then all in the near future, then ill grab them.
 
habajaba said:
Yeah. Well the oral was straight from Nutriverse and the latest batch. The derma I used was off another member because stores were still out of stock at the time. The derma I have left is the one I got from NV when it came back in stock. Anyway, 2 totally different batches for sure. Could the derma have been bunk? Maybe. Both? No.

No results from either one. The oral, I could take 3 (75mg) PWO and feel zip, zero, nada. I used 1ml derma morning and night too. Nothing. The only reason I bought 2 cycles' worth is I was convinced it would work insanely well based on other's experience. No dice here...
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I too have taken oral trest multiple times pre-workout and never noticed a thing. I tried the TD version and got a weird reaction. I stopped 2 weeks in because about an hour after applying it, I started to get heart palpitations. I can't say if it would have worked or not though.
 
mike33511 said:
I too have taken oral trest multiple times pre-workout and never noticed a thing. I tried the TD version and got a weird reaction. I stopped 2 weeks in because about an hour after applying it, I started to get heart palpitations. I can't say if it would have worked or not though.
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What dose were you using? Sounds like it was too high for your system
 
brofessorx said:
That's def a bummer. I've never used oral or td trest, only injectable, so not sure of dosing or how long to notice effects.
But personally if it was me, I'd run them together at recommended dosages till empty before I said it didn't work.
Even with injectable trest phenyl/ace it takes a couple weeks of eod injections to see changes
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Yeah, I ran the dermatrest at recommended dosage for the whole bottle. And the oral, at recommended dosage for a PWO as well.

Like Brandinooooo said... We all react to things differently. Rauwolscine makes me pee myself, while it's amazing for almost everyone else! :)

twista said:
By the way, habajaba, how long did you use those trest products? Also, if I remember correctly, you posted bloodwork that showed increased testosterone when you were on a epidrone and sup3r-4 cycle. I have just started sup3r-4 elite today. Did you do another test after a while of using sup3r-4?
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I ran the whole bottle of dermatrest​. Lasted exactly 4 weeks (28 days) with 0.7ml left for the next morning. I started 25mg PWO and kept upping until I hit 75mg. I stopped it when the derma ran out. That's why I have some oral left in the open bottle. Derma lasted a little less than it was supposed to, but I've read many people lose a little to evaporation. Even though I did keep it in a glass jar and dosed it with an oral syringe...

I tested in the 2xx range on just Epidrone, then I think 4xx on Epidrone + Sup3r-4, tested both I think 3.5 weeks in. It's in the blood test thread. I did get a test a week after end of PCT and was up to 655.
 
mike33511 said:
I too have taken oral trest multiple times pre-workout and never noticed a thing. I tried the TD version and got a weird reaction. I stopped 2 weeks in because about an hour after applying it, I started to get heart palpitations. I can't say if it would have worked or not though.
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Glad to hear I'm not the only freak. :)
 
habajaba said:
Yeah, I ran the dermatrest at recommended dosage for the whole bottle. And the oral, at recommended dosage for a PWO as well.

Like Brandinooooo said... We all react to things differently. Rauwolscine makes me pee myself, while it's amazing for almost everyone else! :)



I ran the whole bottle of dermatrest​. Lasted exactly 4 weeks (28 days) with 0.7ml left for the next morning. I started 25mg PWO and kept upping until I hit 75mg. I stopped it when the derma ran out. That's why I have some oral left in the open bottle. Derma lasted a little less than it was supposed to, but I've read many people lose a little to evaporation. Even though I did keep it in a glass jar and dosed it with an oral syringe...

I tested in the 2xx range on just Epidrone, then I think 4xx on Epidrone + Sup3r-4, tested both I think 3.5 weeks in. It's in the blood test thread. I did get a test a week after end of PCT and was up to 655.
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I'm on week 3 with derma/oral trest, TNE Test, and DMZ and I've blown up. Have 12 pounds so far, super easy to manage gains with 4800 cals roughly daily. Great results love the stuff still have 3 weeks to go with trest and dmz.
 
habajaba said:
Yeah, I ran the dermatrest at recommended dosage for the whole bottle. And the oral, at recommended dosage for a PWO as well.

Like Brandinooooo said... We all react to things differently. Rauwolscine makes me pee myself, while it's amazing for almost everyone else! :)



I ran the whole bottle of dermatrest​. Lasted exactly 4 weeks (28 days) with 0.7ml left for the next morning. I started 25mg PWO and kept upping until I hit 75mg. I stopped it when the derma ran out. That's why I have some oral left in the open bottle. Derma lasted a little less than it was supposed to, but I've read many people lose a little to evaporation. Even though I did keep it in a glass jar and dosed it with an oral syringe...

I tested in the 2xx range on just Epidrone, then I think 4xx on Epidrone + Sup3r-4, tested both I think 3.5 weeks in. It's in the blood test thread. I did get a test a week after end of PCT and was up to 655.
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Rauwolscine makes me want to die.
 
No doubt, working with the human body is not an exact science. Even with prescription meds... My doc put me on 4 or 5 different anti-inflammatory meds and a few different muscle relaxers before we found ones that worked well for my back spasms back in the day.
 
Brandinooooo said:
Rauwolscine makes me want to die.
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Hah. Glad again I'm not the only one. I can handle Yohimbine just fine, which is crazy since rauwolscine is supposed to be more tolerable. Rauwolscine gives me chills and shakes. Which I can handle. But I draw the line when it makes me dribble pee uncontrollably. Not cool. :)
 
habajaba said:
Hah. Glad again I'm not the only one. I can handle Yohimbine just fine, which is crazy since rauwolscine is supposed to be more tolerable. Rauwolscine gives me chills and shakes. Which I can handle. But I draw the line when it makes me dribble pee uncontrollably. Not cool. :)
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Lol I used to be able to handle then just fine. Now I just get extreme anxiety. No peeing though lol
 
Cgkone said:
For strength gains?
I powerlift and I'm thinking about adding mast to my cycle of deca and test.
But not so much to get stronger but to keep dry.
The deca so far has been the best for strength.
When I did a dbol test cycle once the dbol was gone I was achy from high levels of test only.
The deca is so soothing on the joints it's great.
But I think mast will be a good addition for me.
We are competing in july
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Yeah, in only looking in terms in strength gains. I don't want to put on any more weight right now. And I'm already pretty lean (about 10-12%)
 
TacTownbeast said:
Yeah, in only looking in terms in strength gains. I don't want to put on any more weight right now. And I'm already pretty lean (about 10-12%)
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So then modest DHT related strength gains are expected from masteron.
That's what I'm hoping for along with ani estrogen and light hardening.
My body fat is 23%. I'm heavy right now gaining strength 6foot 3 275lbs.
I'm hoping the mast helps me drop 15 lbs but keep my maxes where they are.
 
habajaba said:
I'll sell or trade you unopened bottles or oral tr3st and dermatrest + partial bottle of oral. Straight from Nutriverse. I stocked up but unfortunately I'm a non-responder!
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What!!! Trest non responder that's crazy trest scares me after a buddy did im trest ace and had estrogen issues
 
Brandinooooo said:
Lol. Its always on the inside of my elbow/bicep. I don't know how you like it lol.
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I don't know either but I feel like I'm forcing growth when the pump gets that bad. Phat training on hypertrophy back and shoulder day was nuts. Probably had some crazy face jestures but loved that pump.
 
Planning a 2nd cycle soon, I'm 26 5'6 160 lbs. My first cycle I ran OL 1/4/epi for 4 weeks and got good results. I want to run the same stack, but for 8 weeks this time, but at the same time I want to try something new. Any advice?
 
scully55 said:
Planning a 2nd cycle soon, I'm 26 5'6 160 lbs. My first cycle I ran OL 1/4/epi for 4 weeks and got good results. I want to run the same stack, but for 8 weeks this time, but at the same time I want to try something new. Any advice?
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4 weeks way too short needs to be 8 weeks and 160 lbs eat brother eat eat eat.
 
DUbz86 said:
Even tbol pwo gave me some nasty pumps. But DMZ make me have unbearable pumps in back and shoulders.
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Dmz gives me some good back pumps nothing to bad as long as I dose my taurine , shoulders is a whole nother story it's like painfully swoll. So I feel you there.
 
Caldwood said:
Dmz gives me some good back pumps nothing to bad as long as I dose my taurine , shoulders is a whole nother story it's like painfully swoll. So I feel you there.
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Bro no joke lateral raises or any shoulders I wouldn't be able to move my arms even just relaxed letting my arms hang down hurt but I kept a pump 24/7 and looked huge haha
 
Cgkone said:
I could only use dbol for 3 weeks. The bloat was foul and uncomfortable.
But I was really strong for that 3 weeks.
I would only use dbol again for competition. Gains go right away.
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So fsr, I'm not a big fan of it. Got some strength increase and size but still have a way to go before its over.
 
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