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InItForGainz

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Does anybody have any experiences with Nandrolone that they'd like to share?
Pro's?
Con's?

Since my TRT injections got reduced to TestoGel, then my TestoGel got reduced and then stopped completely I've lost a noticeable amount of muscle tone/density and my joints have started to hurt again.
This has lead me to into finding and researching Nandrolone's effects on the restoration of both muscle and joint tissue.
I'm thinking about adding and running this in to my new TRT for a faster recovery.

Thoughts and experiences will be repped ;)

Thank You
 
I wouldn't run it indefinitely as a part of your TRT protocol if that's what you're suggesting. A low dose cycle would probably be better. 8 weeks of NPP at 200mg a week should help with joints.
 
My opinion, condensed version:
-Deca takes "decades" to do something (saw what I did?)
-NPP far quicker
-both gives you deca d1ck (in my case anyway, no matter how much test you throw in)
-I lactated on my NPP cycle (even with AI and caber)
-both drive your RBC up (good thing in the beginning, later on trouble like high BP)
-may bloat you at even moderate dose
-minimum joint relieve felt on deca
-very good relieve on NPP
-said to aromatize at 20% of test, not true for me, experienced heavy estrogen sides
 
I saw pretty good improvement in a back injury during my first cycle of sust/deca/winstrol 500/400/? years ago. That said, I wouldn't use deca today due to concerns about HPTA suppression. But if you are planning to be on permanent TRT your situation might be different.
 
mike33511 said:
I wouldn't run it indefinitely as a part of your TRT protocol if that's what you're suggesting. A low dose cycle would probably be better. 8 weeks of NPP at 200mg a week should help with joints.
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I was thinking of running it in for the first 4-6 weeks whilst the Cypionate builds up and starts to take effect.
150mg P/W Testosterone Cypionate (TRT)
150mg P/W Nandrolone

Would 150mg be effective? I haven't run Nandrolone before so don't know what sides I'd get hit with.

hairygrandpa said:
My opinion, condensed version:
-Deca takes "decades" to do something (saw what I did?)
-NPP far quicker
-both gives you deca d1ck (in my case anyway, no matter how much test you throw in)
-I lactated on my NPP cycle (even with AI and caber)
-both drive your RBC up (good thing in the beginning, later on trouble like high BP)
-may bloat you at even moderate dose
-minimum joint relieve felt on deca
-very good relieve on NPP
-said to aromatize at 20% of test, not true for me, experienced heavy estrogen sides
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How long did it take for the Nandrolone to start working?
Where you running anything else with the Nandrolone?
 
InItForGainz said:
How long did it take for the Nandrolone to start working?
Where you running anything else with the Nandrolone?
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You are talking NPP, right?
Last cycle was 500mg NPP/week (100mg ed/eod) with 300mg test -e /w, later lowered to 175/w.
Caber 0.25mg e3d, adex 0.5 eod.
When lactating started I upped caber to 0.5mg e3d, changed from adex to exem at 12.5mg ed, then dropped caber and used Inhibit-P 3 x day
-Joint improvement after week 1
-strength up and fullness by week 2
-bloat and lactating by week 5
-pulled the plug by week 7, RBC and BP totally out of whack
 
hairygrandpa said:
You are talking NPP, right?
Last cycle was 500mg NPP/week (100mg ed/eod) with 300mg test -e /w, later lowered to 175/w.
Caber 0.25mg e3d, adex 0.5 eod.
When lactating started I upped caber to 0.5mg e3d, changed from adex to exem at 12.5mg ed, then dropped caber and used Inhibit-P 3 x day
-Joint improvement after week 1
-strength up and fullness by week 2
-bloat and lactating by week 5
-pulled the plug by week 7, RBC and BP totally out of whack
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Yeah, talking NPP (Nandrolone Phenylpropionte)
I'm only going on 140mg of Test Cypionate per week for my TRT (2x70mg). 500mg of NPP per week! That's really high compared to what I've read, I was only going to kickstart/run in the NPP for 4-6 weeks at around 150mg per week (2x75mg).
Would I still get the benefits of NPP, i.e.
Joint strength
Ligament strength
Tendon strength
Improved muscle mass
From 150mg/(2x75mg) per week, or does it really need to be run as high as you ran it?

How long did it take for your sides to go with your Inhibit-P and Aromasin protocol?
 
InItForGainz said:
Yeah, talking NPP (Nandrolone Phenylpropionte)
I'm only going on 140mg of Test Cypionate per week for my TRT (2x70mg). 500mg of NPP per week! That's really high compared to what I've read, I was only going to kickstart/run in the NPP for 4-6 weeks at around 150mg per week (2x75mg).
Would I still get the benefits of NPP, i.e.
Joint strength
Ligament strength
Tendon strength
Improved muscle mass
From 150mg/(2x75mg) per week, or does it really need to be run as high as you ran it?

How long did it take for your sides to go with your Inhibit-P and Aromasin protocol?
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We are all different when experiencing AAS.
I did once NPP at 200mg/week and had some joint relief from it. For strength -and hypertrophy it did nothing perceivable.
NPP has a short HL. I would pin it eod, instead of e3d to keep blood levels more stable.

Sides, well, I still have sides from it, as BP and RBC are still up, 2 weeks after dropping NPP. Lactating stopped by the third day with Inhibit P + exem.
Note that I used caber before. No idea if Inhibit-P alone would have suppressed my milk production by it's own.
 
hairygrandpa said:
We are all different when experiencing AAS.
I did once NPP at 200mg/week and had some joint relief from it. For strength -and hypertrophy it did nothing perceivable.
NPP has a short HL. I would pin it eod, instead of e3d to keep blood levels more stable.

Sides, well, I still have sides from it, as BP and RBC are still up, 2 weeks after dropping NPP. Lactating stopped by the third day with Inhibit P + exem.
Note that I used caber before. No idea if Inhibit-P alone would have suppressed my milk production by it's own.
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So in regards to a kickstarter compound running 150mg of NPP isn't really worth the side effects. I know everybody reacts differently to different compounds but I also don't want to add to my problems.

Are there any milder/better kickstarters that you'd recommend?
 
InItForGainz said:
So in regards to a kickstarter compound running 150mg of NPP isn't really worth the side effects. I know everybody reacts differently to different compounds but I also don't want to add to my problems.

Are there any milder/better kickstarters that you'd recommend?
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InItForGainz said:
I'm looking for a kickstarter to run in whilst I wait for my Cypionate to kick in.
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Honestly, there isn't much to "kick start" if you are going on a test TRT dose.
If you want to experience some strength -and endurance boost for a short period, with minimal sides: anavar or turinabol would fit that profile.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Honestly, there isn't much to "kick start" if you are going on a test TRT dose.
If you want to experience some strength -and endurance boost for a short period, with minimal sides: anavar or turinabol would fit that profile.
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What can I expect from Turinabol, how should I dose it?
 
InItForGainz said:
What can I expect from Turinabol, how should I dose it?
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It's dosed between 25-100mg/day for 4-8 weeks.

I took 40mg for 2 weeks to test the waters, now I'm up to 80mg. Feel a bit lethargic, indicating liver toxicity. Upped my Tudca and NAC .

Recomp/Cut:
-125mg test-e every 5 days, 80mg t-bol (2x40mg)
-NO AI, but at hand

-Strength is up
-Libido is good
-muscles feel full and hardened
-endurance is up too
 
hairygrandpa said:
It's dosed between 25-100mg/day for 4-8 weeks.

I took 40mg for 2 weeks to test the waters, now I'm up to 80mg. Feel a bit lethargic, indicating liver toxicity. Upped my Tudca and NAC .

Recomp/Cut:
-125mg test-e every 5 days, 80mg t-bol (2x40mg)
-NO AI, but at hand

-Strength is up
-Libido is good
-muscles feel full and hardened
-endurance is up too
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Did you notice any benefit at 40mgs per day?
I'll be running it with 140mg (2x70mg) Test Cypionate and 13mg (2x6.5mg) Aromasin Per Week.
 
InItForGainz said:
Did you notice any benefit at 40mgs per day?
I'll be running it with 140mg (2x70mg) Test Cypionate and 13mg (2x6.5mg) Aromasin Per Week.
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Where are you at with your trt protocol? Is your test/AI dosing "settled"? You dont have any draws coming up that will obviously be impacted by other compounds?
 
InItForGainz said:
Did you notice any benefit at 40mgs per day?
I'll be running it with 140mg (2x70mg) Test Cypionate and 13mg (2x6.5mg) Aromasin Per Week.
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Yes, after a week. More endurance and muscle fullness. I'm a risky guy and a bit crazy too, don't follow my lead, when it comes to dosing, LOL.
T-bol does not aromatize, you may not need aromasin.
 
Nac said:
Where are you at with your trt protocol? Is your test/AI dosing "settled"? You dont have any draws coming up that will obviously be impacted by other compounds?
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It starts next week. I'm dosing the Test C just above where I was with my original Endo injections.
The (possible) T-Bol is for a kickstart for the first 4-6 weeks because the Cypionate is going to take about 6-8 weeks to start making any difference. I've had no TRT at all now for about 5 weeks now and the atrophy and muscle wasting is already starting to make my day to day life difficult.

hairygrandpa said:
Yes, after a week. More endurance and muscle fullness. I'm a risky guy and a bit crazy too, don't follow my lead, when it comes to dosing, LOL.
T-bol does not aromatize, you may not need aromasin.
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I like the sound of the non-aromatazing!
The Aromasin is for the Testosterone aromatization, 6.5mg after each injection day.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Honestly, there isn't much to "kick start" if you are going on a test TRT dose.
If you want to experience some strength -and endurance boost for a short period, with minimal sides: anavar or turinabol would fit that profile.
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Can't get any reliable T-Bol unfortunately. What are your experiences with Anavar as a kickstarter?
 
I personally dont think you need a "kickstarter" if your chief concerns are catabolism and mood/libido.
 
Nac said:
I personally dont think you need a "kickstarter" if your chief concerns are catabolism and mood/libido.
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The catabolism and muscle loss/weakness are my main concerns at the moment, hence why I'm looking for a kickstarter. As I said, it's at a point now where it's making my day to day life difficult and painful. The mood improvements and everything else I can wait for and should come up as the cypionate builds in.
 
InItForGainz said:
The catabolism and muscle loss/weakness are my main concerns at the moment, hence why I'm looking for a kickstarter. As I said, it's at a point now where it's making my day to day life difficult and painful. The mood improvements and everything else I can wait for and should come up as the cypionate builds in.
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Sorry if this is treading old ground, but how many cyp pins have you done? This stuff will be "working", as in bioavailable, within 48hrs.

In a traditional (non trt) blast/cycle, the idea of 4sh weeks for the compound levels to build is obviously based on a compounding effect that is dose/frequency dependant.

With trt, if done properly, this doesnt occur in anywhere near the same manner/degree. Otherwise, trt guys would eventually end up perpetually supraphysiological (which they are not).

But...if you feel better adding a compound in, obviously your call. I just dont think you need to, given your concerns.
 
Nac said:
Sorry if this is treading old ground, but how many cyp pins have you done? This stuff will be "working", as in bioavailable, within 48hrs.

In a traditional (non trt) blast/cycle, the idea of 4sh weeks for the compound levels to build is obviously based on a compounding effect that is dose/frequency dependant.

With trt, if done properly, this doesnt occur in anywhere near the same manner/degree. Otherwise, trt guys would eventually end up perpetually supraphysiological (which they are not).
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I had 9 weeks of TRT Cypionate injections with my original Endo. But then he left the practice and I was given a female Endo who put me on 20mg of TestoGel, which basically did nothing and put me back at square one. Hence why I'm doing my own TRT with pretty much the same dose as the original, of which I felt great on. So I'm only going to be on 140mg per week (2x70mg) of Test. It took about 6-8 weeks to start working anabolic wise last time
 
Nac said:
I personally dont think you need a "kickstarter" if your chief concerns are catabolism and mood/libido.
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I think OP got the "kickstarter" concept wrong.
InItForGainz , what exactly is it what you want to do?
If you want immediate test in your system , "kickstart" with test prop for 2-4 days.
Anavar -or T-bol together with test-c would be a short, nice cycle, especially for a recomp -or cut.
 
InItForGainz said:
I want/need to reverse the muscle loss/weakness as soon as possible. I'm just asking for the best compound to use to achieve that.
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That would be a short bulk with test-c as a base, am I right?

I still think T-bol is the best choice for a newbie. It has the least sides.
Anavar is mostly for cutting, winnie too.
If you can't source T-bol, whats left is a higher dose of test-c , say 500mg/week, kickstarted with test prop 150mg eod.

D-Bol at 30mg/day for 4-6 weeks is an option too, has more sides and the gains are wet.
 
hairygrandpa said:
That would be a short bulk with test-c as a base, am I right?

I still think T-bol is the best choice for a newbie. It has the least sides.
Anavar is mostly for cutting, winnie too.
If you can't source T-bol, whats left is a higher dose of test-c , say 500mg/week, kickstarted with test prop 150mg eod.

D-Bol at 30mg/day for 4-6 weeks is an option too, has more sides and the gains are wet.
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Yeah.
I would use the T-Bol, Anavar or Winstrol as a boost/kickstarter for the first 4-6 weeks with my 140mg Testosterone Cypionate. The idea being that whilst the Cypionate is building up in my system, getting things back to normal, the T-Bol, Anavar or Winstrol would be at the front building back the muscle tissue that I've lost.
Legit T-Bol from a reliable source is really hard to find here in the UK. I researched the two T-Bol brands that I did find and both had bad reviews, both product and company wise.
I am considering going up to 200mg of Test-C per week for the first 4 weeks but Im concerned about the extra sides.
How much difference would the extra 60mg make, sides wise?
 
I would recommend doing a shorter Test-Ester with a higher dose at the start. Test is anabolic enough to take care of atrophy and pack on some muscle for sure and if its low test making you feel bad that would be the way to go for sure.

If its however about a nice cycle at the stark of your TRT and you are willing to inject since you are willing to for trt in the first place, you could get some drostanolone acetate or a short estered bold or nandro and complement it with a suitable oral.

However you are complaining about bad atrophy at 5 weeks... since even no test at all will not make you atrophy really bad that fat alone I can only recommend to look at other variables causing atrophy. If you don't find any I would think your problems are mostly of psychologic nature, maybe related to a little depressed state due to low Test, in wich case I had to advice you not to use most of the orals and tell you to use a short estered test at the start again.
 
Bunshichi said:
I would recommend doing a shorter Test-Ester with a higher dose at the start. Test is anabolic enough to take care of atrophy and pack on some muscle for sure and if its low test making you feel bad that would be the way to go for sure.

If its however about a nice cycle at the stark of your TRT and you are willing to inject since you are willing to for trt in the first place, you could get some drostanolone acetate or a short estered bold or nandro and complement it with a suitable oral.

However you are complaining about bad atrophy at 5 weeks... since even no test at all will not make you atrophy really bad that fat alone I can only recommend to look at other variables causing atrophy. If you don't find any I would think your problems are mostly of psychologic nature, maybe related to a little depressed state due to low Test, in wich case I had to advice you not to use most of the orals and tell you to use a short estered test at the start again.
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I've had lowered Test for longer than 5 weeks.
Brief TRT History...
Weekly TRT Test Cypionate injections for 9 weeks with original Endo Doctor-Felt Great.

After 9 weeks my original Endo Doctor leaves and I get a new Endo Doctor.

The new Endo Doctor takes me off injections and puts me on 50mg of TestoGel-Start feeling not so great again. (50mg of TestoGel for 8 weeks.)

The new Endo Doctor then reduces the Testogel to 20mg-Muscle weakness starts. (20mg of TestoGel for 8 weeks)

I get rid of the new Endo Doctor and have had no form of testosterone for 6 weeks now.
So I've had LOWERED testosterone for 16 weeks from the ineffective TestoGel and NO testosterone for an additional 6 weeks. So I'm now at 21 weeks of very low testosterone which has caused the muscle weakness and atrophy.

So I'm doing my own TRT with 140mg (2x70mg) Testosterone Cypionate per week, which is just 20mg more per week than my original Endo Doctor was giving me. I'm going for the T-Bol because it doesn't aromatize, where as something like Test-P has the potential to raise E2, especially as I'll already be running Test-C which could also raise E2.
 
InItForGainz said:
I am considering going up to 200mg of Test-C per week for the first 4 weeks but Im concerned about the extra sides.
How much difference would the extra 60mg make, sides wise?
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As you are fairly lean, my guess is, you are fine while keeping it below 300mg, you may don't even need an AI.
You will get noticeable benefits from test at 500mg. Below that I would not consider it a cycle, but a cruise.
Personally I feel best at 175mg/week. Above that, BP rises, aromatization starts, RBC goes up and libido goes down the moment an AI is involved.
 
hairygrandpa said:
As you are fairly lean, my guess is, you are fine while keeping it below 300mg, you may don't even need an AI.
You will get noticeable benefits from test at 500mg. Below that I would not consider it a cycle, but a cruise.
Personally I feel best at 175mg/week. Above that, BP rises, aromatization starts, RBC goes up and libido goes down the moment an AI is involved.
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Not too fussed about libido at the moment. My main concern is reversing this muscle atrophy and getting my muscle mass back. I'm at 6% bodyfat at the moment, don't know how much difference that would make in regards to Test and AI dose
 
Are you sure you are at 6 percent?
How did you measure?

If its really 6 percent body fat theres no wonder you atrophy and you should be able to reduce that extremely by just eating more.

6percent is contest level and its pretty usual to lose mounts of muscle to get that low without heavy anabolics use.
 
Bunshichi said:
Are you sure you are at 6 percent?
How did you measure?

If its really 6 percent body fat theres no wonder you atrophy and you should be able to reduce that extremely by just eating more.

6percent is contest level and its pretty usual to lose mounts of muscle to get that low without heavy anabolics use.
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Well I'm not too sure, the body analyser scales say 6% but the skin calipers say 12% and the mirror says "no abs for you" I don't know who to believe.
 
Dude you are so all over the place with all the sh1t youve been posting itt and others, youre sounding like youre trolling. Youve been "discussing" your issues for a couple weeks now and crap is just going around and around in circles.
 
InItForGainz said:
Well I'm not too sure, the body analyser scales say 6% but the skin calipers say 12% and the mirror says "no abs for you" I don't know who to believe.
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Neither of those methods are reliable for determining absolute body fat percentage. Either get a DEXA scan or visually compare yourself to images online.

My advice for how you should proceed: get your TRT squared away before running any other steroids. Get bloods 3 and 6 months from now and use these to determine your optimal testosterone and Exemestane dose. Also, consider hCG since you're 24 and you may want to have kids some day.

After you have done this, blast and cruise, baby... Blast and cruise.
 
InItForGainz said:
Not too fussed about libido at the moment. My main concern is reversing this muscle atrophy and getting my muscle mass back. I'm at 6% bodyfat at the moment, don't know how much difference that would make in regards to Test and AI dose
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I highly doubt you are at 6%. Anyway, IMHO, leanness is a determining factor when it comes to aromatization. The leaner, the better. Fat people tend to have more trouble to control estrogen.
I think all has been said, you should now know what to do. Don't expect a miracle from AAS, it's only a tool -you must do the work.
 
mike33511 said:
Neither of those methods are reliable for determining absolute body fat percentage. Either get a DEXA scan or visually compare yourself to images online.

My advice for how you should proceed: get your TRT squared away before running any other steroids. Get bloods 3 and 6 months from now and use these to determine your optimal testosterone and Exemestane dose. Also, consider hCG since you're 24 and you may want to have kids some day.

After you have done this, blast and cruise, baby... Blast and cruise.
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hairygrandpa said:
I highly doubt you are at 6%. Anyway, IMHO, leanness is a determining factor when it comes to aromatization. The leaner, the better. Fat people tend to have more trouble to control estrogen.
I think all has been said, you should now know what to do. Don't expect a miracle from AAS, it's only a tool -you must do the work.
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Thanks for all of the help guys.
Might come back in a few months and let you know how it goes
 
Nac said:
Dude you are so all over the place with all the sh1t youve been posting itt and others, youre sounding like youre trolling. Youve been "discussing" your issues for a couple weeks now and crap is just going around and around in circles.
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I'm not trolling man, I'm just nervous and wanted to get as much info as possible from people who know their stuff. There's so many compounds and pro's and con's of them all
 
InItForGainz said:
I'm not trolling man, I'm just nervous and wanted to get as much info as possible from people who know their stuff. There's so many compounds and pro's and con's of them all
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TRT dose of test, with a fair dose of LGD (10-15mg/day) would be a good idea too. Probably with very few sides -and I saw great progress from others with that. Only thing is, LGD takes time to "kick in", about 3 weeks+.
 
hairygrandpa said:
TRT dose of test, with a fair dose of LGD (10-15mg/day) would be a good idea too. Probably with very few sides -and I saw great progress from others with that. Only thing is, LGD takes time to "kick in", about 3 weeks+.
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Interesting idea...
I do have two bottles of Olympus Labs' Sup3r-Epi and two bottles of their Sup3r-1 too. What do you think about adding those instead of LGD?
 
InItForGainz said:
Interesting idea...
I do have two bottles of Olympus Labs' Sup3r-Epi and two bottles of their Sup3r-1 too. What do you think about adding those instead of LGD?
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What are the ingredients? If it's andros, LGD is stronger and probably the better choice for building muscles. Andros harden you up and give a strength boost, when I tried them, they kicked in late -but pronounced. Would use them again as addition in a cycle.
If you were more experienced, you could use Andros+LGD+Test base -but you don't know what sides to expect. Go with fewer compounds, -or use only test, with test prop as kicker.
 
hairygrandpa said:
What are the ingredients? If it's andros, LGD is stronger and probably the better choice for building muscles. Andros harden you up and give a strength boost, when I tried them, they kicked in late -but pronounced. Would use them again as addition in a cycle.
If you were more experienced, you could use Andros+LGD+Test base -but you don't know what sides to expect. Go with fewer compounds, -or use only test, with test prop as kicker.
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They're Andro's
Sup3r-Epi=DHT/Test Base Andro
Sup3r-1=1-Testosterone

Is there something I could take to increase the amount of Free Testosterone from the cypionate? Something to reduce SHBG maybe?
 
InItForGainz said:
They're Andro's
Sup3r-Epi=DHT/Test Base Andro
Sup3r-1=1-Testosterone

Is there something I could take to increase the amount of Free Testosterone from the cypionate? Something to reduce SHBG maybe?
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Throw proviron in.
 
InItForGainz said:
They're Andro's
Sup3r-Epi=DHT/Test Base Andro
Sup3r-1=1-Testosterone

Is there something I could take to increase the amount of Free Testosterone from the cypionate? Something to reduce SHBG maybe?
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Andros are often under dosed, you may need more of the 1-andro/1-test. Personally I would go for at least 450mg, max 600mg. Take it with food, especially some fat for absorption. It can cause lethargy later in cycle, even with a test dose, fight through it with some ECA -or other stimulants.
 
InItForGainz said:
I'm not trolling man, I'm just nervous and wanted to get as much info as possible from people who know their stuff. There's so many compounds and pro's and con's of them all
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Yeah, sure.

But, youre either doing a blast, or, focusing on establishing your trt protocol. You cant do both simultaneously.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I know dudes taking it like skittles, whatever your wallet allows....
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So more is better, Gotcha!
I've also thought more about your idea of adding Test-P to my Test-C TRT for a faster Testosterone increase. If I did add the Prop what would be the best/safest way to do it?

1)Add 35mg Prop into both Cyp injections and drop the Cyp to 35mg for a 50/50,
Which would maintain my 140mg per week?

2)Add 35mg Prop into both Cyp injections and keep the Cyp at 70mg,
which would put my weekly Test dose up to 210mg?
 
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