Habajaba's journey from geek to giant

habajaba said:
Been feeling creaky since yesterday evening. I'm going to go back to dosing exem e2d and see. Looks like the epistane will get here Monday now (USPS really hosed me here). With that being a dry compound, I'm thinking of going to exem e3d after a week or so on the epi.

I'm down 3.8# this week. So 2 weeks in, I'm up 0.4# and look pretty similar in the mirror. Well, I do have a little more vascularity, but that's about it.

I'm also mildly pissy again, somewhat like I was before going on TRT. If I was getting more aggression in the gym, that would be ok. But I'm not. Just more annoyed and pissy with people.

I'm not expecting magic here. But so far, trest has been a disappointment. It is a royal pain to keep tweaking my ai to control bloat. I'd be ok with it if I was getting serious gains, but I just don't think that's happening. I'm gaining some LBM. But I think I've done as well if not better on Epidrone, which is way less hassle on the side effects and application/transfer issues of a transdermal.
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Dam sounds like alot of work what brand of trest
 
thorsdad31 said:
Dam sounds like alot of work what brand of trest
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OLUK Dermatrest and OLUK Tr3st

And you know what, the more I think about it... The stuff is definitely getting into my system because I had that issue with coughing from it. I also do even still feel like my chest muscles are tighter and fuller too. The coughing issue has mostly subsided, but it would seem to indicate at least something is going on.
 
habajaba said:
OLUK Dermatrest and OLUK Tr3st

And you know what, the more I think about it... The stuff is definitely getting into my system because I had that issue with coughing from it. I also do even still feel like my chest muscles are tighter and fuller too. The coughing issue has mostly subsided, but it would seem to indicate at least something is going on.
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Ok good to know I'm wanting to do a trest, lgd bulk next winter
 
mmorso said:
habajaba I'm interested to see what the epistane is gonna do for ya... it might make it easier to dial in your AI... who knows
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I'm expecting so. Not only am I hoping and expecting the epi to enhance performance, but like you say, I'm expecting it to dry things out and stabilize my e2 a bit. I'll run the full 6 weeks or so of trest, but I'm thinking I won't run it again. Unless things change over the next week or so. If that's the case, I'll have an unopened bottle of oral and dermal available.
 
So today was EPIC for a very normal feeling workout. I dosed my 75mg oral trest 1.5hr PWO, RagNOrok 45m PWO, and Cordygen 30m PWO. When I got in there, I didn't feel especially motivated nor aggressive. But I got started.

Came to my first break and barely stopped. Second and later breaks were basically just enough to gulp down some RPG. Noticed about halfway through that I was on a solid pace.

47 flat today. Never ever been close to that. It's a solid 2m over my PR. Could be a fluke. It happens. Not sure how I even did it. Didn't feel overly strong or energetic. But I just blasted through. Endurance was better and focus was up a bit. Will know more after another attempt or two, but 1.5h PWO might be the trick for my oral trest.
 
Almost forgot. Progress pic for Studhorse. Honestly the pic doesn't show much progress. Pose is off and definitely makes me look fatter. But you can def. see the increased vascularity in my arms.

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Oh, and some food porn for FireTitan. We bought part of a cow a couple weeks ago. Seems the butcher is a fan of LARGE steaks (as am I!). This was actually 2 dinners. One with a mixed greens salad, and day 2 with eggs.

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habajaba said:
Almost forgot. Progress pic for Studhorse. Honestly the pic doesn't show much progress. Pose is off and definitely makes me look fatter. But you can def. see the increased vascularity in my arms.

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Oh, and some food porn for FireTitan. We bought part of a cow a couple weeks ago. Seems the butcher is a fan of LARGE steaks (as am I!). This was actually 2 dinners. One with a mixed greens salad, and day 2 with eggs.

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Hey I think you are looking good man! Bam! Arms are looking tight.
Hey I like food too. FireTitan cant eat anyway's.
 
Looking awesome man! (still digging the back yard)
 
Hey hoobliebooblie, looks like your doing good brother! For some reason the pics aren't showing up on my phone. Sorry I've been away for so long.
 
habajaba said:
Almost forgot. Progress pic for Studhorse. Honestly the pic doesn't show much progress. Pose is off and definitely makes me look fatter. But you can def. see the increased vascularity in my arms.

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Oh, and some food porn for FireTitan. We bought part of a cow a couple weeks ago. Seems the butcher is a fan of LARGE steaks (as am I!). This was actually 2 dinners. One with a mixed greens salad, and day 2 with eggs.

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Looking more vascular!
Ah, and I can see you are using the ABS cloaking device, just like me!
 
BEAST73 said:
Habajaba, Looking Good Brother!
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SFreed said:
Looking awesome man! (still digging the back yard)
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Brandinooooo said:
Hey hoobliebooblie, looks like your doing good brother! For some reason the pics aren't showing up on my phone. Sorry I've been away for so long.
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Thanks, guys! Not sure what's up with the photos. I posted them from my phone and I can't see them either. Stupid tapatalk.

hairygrandpa said:
Looking more vascular!
Ah, and I can see you are using the ABS cloaking device, just like me!
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Haha. Indeed. I'm wondering if I'll ever see them. Some days in just the right light, I can see a faint line between the top 2. That's about the best it gets. :)
 
Cardio today, I again dosed my trest 1.5hr PWO. Great session!

Also, finally got my epi yesterday. No thanks to the wonderful postal service. Took a full week to go across the state and that is after losing the first package! Anyway, dosed my first cap this morning. Going to go for 45mg/day. 1 cap (15mg) morning / 3-4pm / night.

I forgot to dose my exem yesterday. Still no estro sides. Wondering if I should just stop the exem now that I've got the epi. Anyone know how long it takes epi to kick in and start drying up joints (aka lower e2)?
 
Update to get you all up to speed here... Weds lift 49:45, Friday 55:00, today 56:30. Cardio on Thursday was good. I dosed oral trest POST workout Weds and Fri, due to timing. Today, 1.5 PWO. It just looks like, in general, trest is bound to kill my endurance regardless of timing.

I haven't dosed exem in over a week. No estro sides yet. Joints were too unhappy when I dosed it. They are no longer complaining. My ring is tighter, so I think I'm holding some water, though. I'm a bit more tired than usual. Could just be life, or estro, or liver. Speaking of liver, I woke up with an unexplained bruise this morning. Probably nothing, but I do know that can point to liver. That said, other than some tiredness, no other issues point to that.

I feel about the same, day to day, no major strength gains. Visually, I feel like I'm looking a big bigger and more vascular. Weight is back up 3# this week. For those following along, that's 227.0, 231.2, 227.4, 230.4. So I'm more or less treading water in the weight department.
 
I had a Dr appointment today and decided that "it was time to have a talk" about low testosterone symptoms... which I guess I'm kinda having.

I have to get my annual bloodwork to check my lipids and liver values and asked for a hormone panel. Out here in butt-fck Wyoming, my doc got a lil uncomfortable and said she's never ordered a hormone panel ... it was actually my dr's partner as my doc wasn't in... anyway, I'm obviously considering TRT and think my bloods will show low t and possibly fcked up lipids from my last cycle....

Do you know what they'd typically do if you have low t and your lipids looked like trash? Would they even get you on TRT?
 
mmorso said:
I had a Dr appointment today and decided that "it was time to have a talk" about low testosterone symptoms... which I guess I'm kinda having.

I have to get my annual bloodwork to check my lipids and liver values and asked for a hormone panel. Out here in butt-fck Wyoming, my doc got a lil uncomfortable and said she's never ordered a hormone panel ... it was actually my dr's partner as my doc wasn't in... anyway, I'm obviously considering TRT and think my bloods will show low t and possibly fcked up lipids from my last cycle....

Do you know what they'd typically do if you have low t and your lipids looked like trash? Would they even get you on TRT?
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No idea what docs in butt-fck Wyoming do. LOL!
Docs in azz-fisting Paraguay will give you an aspirin and send you home.
 
mmorso said:
I had a Dr appointment today and decided that "it was time to have a talk" about low testosterone symptoms... which I guess I'm kinda having.

I have to get my annual bloodwork to check my lipids and liver values and asked for a hormone panel. Out here in butt-fck Wyoming, my doc got a lil uncomfortable and said she's never ordered a hormone panel ... it was actually my dr's partner as my doc wasn't in... anyway, I'm obviously considering TRT and think my bloods will show low t and possibly fcked up lipids from my last cycle....

Do you know what they'd typically do if you have low t and your lipids looked like trash? Would they even get you on TRT?
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I think it depends on the sophistication of the doc. I know some docs have said they can tell if people were on AAS and won't put people on TRT. If not used to ordering TRT, my guess is they'll look at TT and FT and that's it. My doc looked at those and prolactin. As we've discussed, my doc isn't the most sophisticated, although he's purely a TRT clinic.

All that said, docs have a wide range of acceptable levels as well. My actual test was 655TT/85FT but I showed him a blood test I had done on my own prior and TT was in the 200s. I explained I had taken some things to boost it since (I had finished PCT a week prior). And that was good enough for him.
 
I would say maybe hold off until your lipids are better, but I don't know a whole lot about TRT criteria.
 
ryane87 said:
I would say maybe hold off until your lipids are better, but I don't know a whole lot about TRT criteria.
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Well I'm assuming my lipids are sh1t... prior to me starting to exercise a couple yrs ago my LDL was pretty high and my doc wanted to put me on pills... then I cut a sh1tload of weight and my lipids got in the normal range...

Then I ran LGD and a few orals last fall.
 
ryane87 said:
I would say maybe hold off until your lipids are better, but I don't know a whole lot about TRT criteria.
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^^^ I strongly agree. Have everything in range, besides test levels.
Then tell the doc that you lately have an urge to see Disney princess movies. Tell him how awesome it is to go daily shopping for shoes.
 
hairygrandpa said:
^^^ I strongly agree. Have everything in range, besides test levels.
Then tell the doc that you lately have an urge to see Disney princess movies. Tell him how awesome it is to go daily shopping for shoes.
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Yeah this doc was actually good looking and I told her I wouldn't even fck her or anything...
 
If worried, you could get your own labs run first like I did from privatemdlabs. Then if it's way off and you're worried, put off the doc tests with an excuse.
 
habajaba said:
If worried, you could get your own labs run first like I did from privatemdlabs. Then if it's way off and you're worried, put off the doc tests with an excuse.
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The problem is that I can't find a lab out here which is why I haven't done pre and post cycle bloods...

So this will actually be a post cycle lab and pre cycle for my upcoming (thanks to hairygrandpa) Test/tbol/EQ/Anavar/T3/Slin cycle
 
mmorso said:
The problem is that I can't find a lab out here which is why I haven't done pre and post cycle bloods...

So this will actually be a post cycle lab and pre cycle for my upcoming (thanks to hairygrandpa) Test/tbol/EQ/Anavar/T3/Slin cycle
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There are no LabCorp locations there? Crazy! You need to move. :)

Does your doc run them in their own office or what?
 
mmorso said:
The problem is that I can't find a lab out here which is why I haven't done pre and post cycle bloods...

So this will actually be a post cycle lab and pre cycle for my upcoming (thanks to hairygrandpa) Test/tbol/EQ/Anavar/T3/Slin cycle
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No HGH with the slin. I would do at least CJC.
 
mmorso said:
The problem is that I can't find a lab out here which is why I haven't done pre and post cycle bloods...

So this will actually be a post cycle lab and pre cycle for my upcoming (thanks to hairygrandpa) Test/tbol/EQ/Anavar/T3/Slin cycle
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Damn bro. My cycle that I'm starting at the end of the week is sh1t compared to what you decided to do lol
 
Brandinooooo said:
Damn bro. My cycle that I'm starting at the end of the week is sh1t compared to what you decided to do lol
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Yeah I'm prob not gonna run slin this time... I'm still reading about it and am scared frankly....

But in all honesty I'm sitting on an ass load of dermatrest and am scared to run it too... with having the new baby I think I'll just trip out the whole cycle

So my plan is
1-17 T3 25mcg
1-15 Test e (still figuring mgs prob 500)
1-15 EQ (?)
1-8 Tbol 50-80mgs
12-17 Var 50mg
 
mmorso said:
Yeah I'm prob not gonna run slin this time... I'm still reading about it and am scared frankly....

But in all honesty I'm sitting on an ass load of dermatrest and am scared to run it too... with having the new baby I think I'll just trip out the whole cycle

So my plan is
1-17 T3 25mcg
1-15 Test e (still figuring mgs prob 500)
1-15 EQ (?)
1-8 Tbol 50-80mgs
12-17 Var 50mg
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If it was me, I'd keep test low, maybe 200mg/week. Eq converts only slightly to estrogen, var and T-bol does not...meaning you could get away with very few -or no AI. Fiddling with AI = boner killer.
If you up test, your RBC goes up (EQ already makes RBC sky rocking) and estrogen goes up.
 
hairygrandpa said:
If it was me, I'd keep test low, maybe 200mg/week. Eq converts only slightly to estrogen, var and T-bol does not...meaning you could get away with very few -or no AI. Fiddling with AI = boner killer.
If you up test, your RBC goes up (EQ already makes RBC sky rocking) and estrogen goes up.
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Yeah make sure you draw blood mid cycle with eq and test
 
habajaba my man Im sorry for my absence in here. Cant tell you how drained I am between the 2 fulltime jobs and starting school. But Im all caught up and back in. Looking great by the way!! Keep on truckin, Im proud of you!
 
FireTitan said:
habajaba my man Im sorry for my absence in here. Cant tell you how drained I am between the 2 fulltime jobs and starting school. But Im all caught up and back in. Looking great by the way!! Keep on truckin, Im proud of you!
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FireTitan is too busy looking at his junk now that he's getting abs... I hear he shaves it now and feels like a little kid with a big d1ck
 
FireTitan said:
habajaba my man Im sorry for my absence in here. Cant tell you how drained I am between the 2 fulltime jobs and starting school. But Im all caught up and back in. Looking great by the way!! Keep on truckin, Im proud of you!
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Thank you sir. I get it. I've been slacking a bit around here myself and I only have one job. Dunno how you do it, brother!
mmorso said:
FireTitan is too busy looking at his junk now that he's getting abs... I hear he shaves it now and feels like a little kid with a big d1ck
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You mean you don't do that? That was my entire motivation for losing weight. :-)
 
habajaba said:
Thank you sir. I get it. I've been slacking a bit around here myself and I only have one job. Dunno how you do it, brother!

You mean you don't do that? That was my entire motivation for losing weight. :-)
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Oh yeah I totally do that which is why I assumed FireTitan, now with a lean body, is spending a lot of time looking at his d1ck in the mirror.

Lmao when I'm on cycle and getting shrinkage this activity stops as I avoid looking at my testicles when on gear.
 
Lmao my Dr just called me back about my request to get my test levels checked and asked "are you taking anabolic steroids, cause they will lower your testosterone levels..." Wtf they got my number now sh1t
 
mmorso said:
Lmao my Dr just called me back about my request to get my test levels checked and asked "are you taking anabolic steroids, cause they will lower your testosterone levels..." Wtf they got my number now sh1t
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Ha! What did you say?

You aren't on anything right now, are you?
 
Nah I didn't say that at all... I said that I take supplements like creatine and testboosters.. and that I did take DHEA last summer
 
Test boosters....lolz
 
mmorso said:
Nah I didn't say that at all... I said that I take supplements like creatine and testboosters.. and that I did take DHEA last summer
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Kinda like that time with the shampoo bottle up your butt?? "Honest Doc, I slipped in the shower and fell on it. Million to one shot".
 
mmorso said:
Well I was put on the spot... and thought what if my LH levels and e2 are in a fcked up range that could only be the result of taking drugs...

Thought I'd blame it on dermacrine.
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I actually said something similar. When my TT was a bit high (for someone complaining of low T) on his tests, I told him I took "some supplements that are supposed to boost test" and had stopped a week prior, expecting them to clear my system by then. I didn't mention it was Nolva on PCT. He was fine with that. In fact he said "we should find out what you took and use it to help other people." But I don't think he really cares. :-)
 
habajaba said:
I actually said something similar. When my TT was a bit high (for someone complaining of low T) on his tests, I told him I took "some supplements that are supposed to boost test" and had stopped a week prior, expecting them to clear my system by then. I didn't mention it was Nolva on PCT. He was fine with that. In fact he said "we should find out what you took and use it to help other people." But I don't think he really cares. :-)
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Lol. My motivation was actually to see how I recovered from my cycle last summer/fall, so hopefully I have normal test levels. I told her that I was curious and feel like I'm putting a lot of work in the gym with little reward and that it seemed like something to look into... sh1t there's androgel and viagra commercials every TV timeout on any sports game telling me to get checked.. I'm 36 on Easter why not?

TRT, as appealing as it is, actually frightens me a little. There is the whole prostate cancer and cardiovascular disease risk that's concerning, although it seems new data suggests that it's not as big a risk... castration, though, is still a treatment that is used during prostate cancer treatment
 
mmorso said:
Lol. My motivation was actually to see how I recovered from my cycle last summer/fall, so hopefully I have normal test levels. I told her that I was curious and feel like I'm putting a lot of work in the gym with little reward and that it seemed like something to look into... sh1t there's androgel and viagra commercials every TV timeout on any sports game telling me to get checked.. I'm 36 on Easter why not?

TRT, as appealing as it is, actually frightens me a little. There is the whole prostate cancer and cardiovascular disease risk that's concerning, although it seems new data suggests that it's not as big a risk... castration, though, is still a treatment that is used during prostate cancer treatment
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I am still slightly fearful of TRT as well. I am 37 and I think I could probably qualify for it. In the end, I will probably just self medicate with it after I eventually do a couple of cycles.
 
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