Epistane, Trest, Super-11
- Thread starter sespress
- Start date
sespress
Well-known member
I always thought it was a good idea with any oral methyls. Can't really hurt. And if my blood work is any sign you'll want it too. One OL bottle goes far. There's a nutricost brand (might have the name wrong) on Amazon, bit cheaper.
sespress
Well-known member
I dunno is the 7a-methyl as bad? I know the TD application may help versus oral only but may just pass the liver first time and hit it anyways.
sespress
Well-known member
You got the knowledge on the diff test ester types? I see cyp,npp, and others mentioned. It's all down to what half life of the ester being broken down right? And also I hear some hurt more on injection.
Cgkone
Well-known member
I'm pretty sure it's liver friendly.
At least that's what I believe is one of its good selling points.
Its the can't have sex without Cialis because I ran trest is the dangerous part
mmorso
Well-known member
I meant test and NPP(deca prop)
sespress
Well-known member
Hell yeah! I don't care what it morphs into it's all good!
So if you wanted a cutting stack all injection what would you do? I hear deca goes both ways but I also hear complications from it are common. Like needing a lot of support for prolactin. My buddy loves tren but again some ppl say it's a but hard to control, he doesn't have issues but I read a lot about it.
Back in the day I did try winstrol but didn't really gain much, back then I was pretty lean already so I wanted bulk. Then I ran a product called I think it was helladrol (the 4-chloro PH... is that the name I can't remember) and got massive, really blew up, and kept most of it but I felt like total crap the whole time. That had to be like 7 years back or so when I lived in Florida and bought it from a brick and mortar shop. Actually next to my gym lol. I was inexperienced back then and wasn't ready for that stuff. Took a long time to feel normal again. I haven't run anything since until recently. Started back out with 4 andro and epi andro several months back and now this stack. I really really want to study up for whatever is next. And be lighter on the liver. I will start another thread for that down the line. Won't be until after the summer before I'm ready.
Never have had any other real gear but something akin to epistane that's not oral would be tight.
Starting to think about PCT coming up. Gross. Gonna hate it but that's how it is.
Cgkone
Well-known member
Of course as an AM rule, test only cycle is recomended.
That being said, I powerlift and test only cycle made me go backwards in lifts after week 8.
Now test and Deca feels really good.
Test alone can tax the joints if you lift heavy.
I feel like that is left out alot on AM
That being said, I powerlift and test only cycle made me go backwards in lifts after week 8.
Now test and Deca feels really good.
Test alone can tax the joints if you lift heavy.
I feel like that is left out alot on AM
Nac
Well-known member
Thats fair, and demonstrates the shortcoming of any cookie-cutter recommendation.
As an advocate of the "test only for first inj cycle, brah!!1!" I would defend it on the grounds that its a good introduction to the compound that will form the basis of every inj cycle you do. You learn fundamental things doing so, regarding AI use and easily managed injection frequencies/quantities.
Also, a test-only cycle is perfect in its simplicity as far as getting an idea of how you will tend to process and react to the compound, in regards to its impact on bloods (cbc, lipids especially). As said, it wikl prolly be the one constant in every inj cycle you do, so no matter what other variables you throw in in future cycles, you have a rough approximation before you start what your bloods will do at the least, and what AI protocol you may require.
So, first inj cycle youd be missing a huge oppurtunity if you chose not to do pre, mid, post bloods.
Cgkone
Well-known member
True.......But only if you chasing dat pump as they say.
If your looking to get muscle hypertrophy by leaning or bulking. Test only cycle is bomb.
But you must keep rep range above 5 reps.
If you spend most your time in the power zone 1-5 reps. Test only cycle hinders progress.
If your looking to get muscle hypertrophy by leaning or bulking. Test only cycle is bomb.
But you must keep rep range above 5 reps.
If you spend most your time in the power zone 1-5 reps. Test only cycle hinders progress.
Nac
Well-known member
For sure man, thats my philosophy as well.
I do find it ironic that when guys are running oral cycles, by and large the "test base" (epiandro, dermacrine, 4dhea, etc) is there mainly to keep you feeling normal and not sh1t with lethargy. But then, on inj cycles, the tendency is to go fuk that and dose test way up.
I do see the argument for doing so but me, Im with you and would rather dose test at trt/cruise type amounts and let the other compounds drive the gains. Arguably more "healthy" too.
mmorso
Well-known member
lol I'm gonna go test e/NPP IF I do decide to add nandrolone
Reason, it's my first injectable cycle and I'm gonna run the test solo for 8 of the 15 wks. Then add NPP and run it while the oil clears....
I also already have the test e lol
sespress
Well-known member
See 15 weeks sounds highly appealing. You think you'll get a cut effect off of it? I've been reading about that combo in particular and it sounds like it goes however you eat. But injectable deca or npp apparently also stimulates huger. It can't be as bad as a shot of CJC w DAC. Eating the walls and whatnot.
Hey so while nolva can lower igf clomid might also, well maybe I'm not sure yet seem to see both sides of that argued. Is there a justifiable reason to run an igf compound during PCT? Some ppl seem to think so. Would be curious what the thoughts are on that.
Cgkone
Well-known member
No gap. Clomid immediately after last day of suppressive orals.
I know for my buddy when he added nolva to his pct on top of Clomid he felt better.
Also from two different sources so the Clomid could've been weak.
All research SERM I've had experience with work BUT level of quality was different.
I know for my buddy when he added nolva to his pct on top of Clomid he felt better.
Also from two different sources so the Clomid could've been weak.
All research SERM I've had experience with work BUT level of quality was different.
Spurfy
Active member
Clomid immediately at 25 mg/day, then torem 60 for duration of PCT except for last week, which I would drop down to 30 EOD. I would also run a 6 week PCT.
sespress
Well-known member
Ah been meaning to ask aboutthey. It's supressive right? So I didn't think you could use it in PCT. I have super7 at home and some v11-kt iron legion left I can use instead.
And I have the other drugs I can drop into immediately.
sespress
Well-known member
I usually do a split of both yes. Sorry I made it sound like it was all in the mail. I have the clomid and nolva on hand pharma.
mmorso
Well-known member
No I'm saying run it then go into pct.
sespress
Well-known member
Ohh gee thanks guys. What's the total dollar amount?
sespress
Well-known member
Attachments
sespress
Well-known member
The gym had been so so busy I haven't logged crap. As soon as I start typing into the phone ppl come by "are you done" "how many left" line I'm just chatting up my b1tches making sure I get my pimp money. Pain in the butt.
Weight this am is 255.6. fluctuation over the last two days was line ~2lbs. I think the lots of fat and gain of muscle has met some kind of equilibrium where I'm losing fat and replacing it with muscle right away. I feel bigger and I'm happy with the reduction in bf% really am, but I don't look dramatically different.
I think having so much bf% to work though causes issues in the dramatic look change department. I'm heading to workout now and I'll to to log it if it's not insanely busy again
Weight this am is 255.6. fluctuation over the last two days was line ~2lbs. I think the lots of fat and gain of muscle has met some kind of equilibrium where I'm losing fat and replacing it with muscle right away. I feel bigger and I'm happy with the reduction in bf% really am, but I don't look dramatically different.
I think having so much bf% to work though causes issues in the dramatic look change department. I'm heading to workout now and I'll to to log it if it's not insanely busy again
sespress
Well-known member
Somehow I think I'm gonna be fine. It may be a ****ty recovery but I'll get no tits. I've got a chem on hand to crush any side effects.
There was finally a small amount of atrophy starting to happen. But it's all over tomorrow so..
sespress
Well-known member
Ok so if that came off pissy it's because I worked a 18 hour shift yesterday. How's that possible you say? Well you go through various stages of FML. First you want to scream, then pull out your hair, next you do push ups bc if your sitting for one more minute you'll scream, then this blank acceptance of your fate sticks in. And you say, well, screw it. I expect this happens to some terminal cancer patients at the end.
Anyways I'm all kinds of stressed out so yeah.
But jokes aside bro mmorso I've got a good PCT lined up. Why you think I'll be growing boobies again?
Anyways I'm all kinds of stressed out so yeah.
But jokes aside bro mmorso I've got a good PCT lined up. Why you think I'll be growing boobies again?
The_Old_Guy
Well-known member
Oh you'll *know* for damn sure if you have an Estrogen problem...believe me. And unless you ignore it like a moron, you'll have plenty of time to crush it with Tamoxifen and Anastrozole/Exemestane.
sespress
Well-known member
Yeah my thoughts too. I think he's busy messing with me cause I'm a fatty. That's fine, and normally I'd laugh a lot but I'm so tired from work I'm like not a nice guy ATM. Lol.
mmorso
Well-known member
lol I'm just fcking with you man. Just wanted updates.
habajaba
Well-known member
hairygrandpa was unable to stop his trest teats with Nolva and exem. I think he finally got it reversed with ralox. I think mmorso just wants to see boobies, even if it's on a dude. 
For you, sespress, since you're already done... I think we're talking more about rebound estrogen from the epistane. Which is way more manageable.
For you, sespress, since you're already done... I think we're talking more about rebound estrogen from the epistane. Which is way more manageable.
mmorso
Well-known member
hairygrandpa was unable to stop his trest teats with Nolva and exem. I think he finally got it reversed with ralox. I think mmorso just wants to see boobies, even if it's on a dude.
You got me bro... also I wanted an excuse to use the term "jahooblies"
The_Old_Guy
Well-known member
How much Exem and when started? I never read the posts.
sespress
Well-known member
Lol. It's a great word. I await it's introduction into the Oxford English Dictionary with bated breath.
sespress
Well-known member
Right, lol. I had to tap the letro button at the beginning of the trest, but I'm way past that. I think I'll be good. I'm gonna keep the exem at 12.5EOD for the first week just like it is now and then start to take it down a bit. Clomid and I've got torem on the way based on some suggestions I might switch to it. I don't want to do nolva this time around. This cycle was liver toxic enough already.hairygrandpa was unable to stop his trest teats with Nolva and exem. I think he finally got it reversed with ralox. I think mmorso just wants to see boobies, even if it's on a dude.
Yeah I've got everything a man could want. Nolva and clomid, torem on the way. Arimidex, exemestane, letrozole. And HCG. So. Gonna be solid. Obviously I'm not dosing all that lol.
sespress
Well-known member
Hey man your inbox is full =)
mmorso
Well-known member
Cleared
sespress
Well-known member
Shoulder press: dumbbell:
35*10,45*10,35*20
Lateral raise, machine:
85*12,70*17,55*20
T-Bar one handed shoulder press:
Bar+: 25*10 (each side) +35*10 (each side) +45*10 (each side)
T-BAR two handed press:
Bar+35*10, 25*20, just the bar*20
35lb cable core twisty thing stuff: 20 each side.
22.5lb cable (the lawn mower rip cord motion)*15 each side.
Side abdominal, holding a 35lb, each side*15
Crunch machine, 85lb*40, 110*30
AB DESTRUCTION...Lol.
Shrugs:
Smith machine (love this thing for shrugs): 110*20,135*15
And we're done! 1.25 hours with rest periods in-between sets. Phew. Great shoulder day. My elbow actually is what bothered me first. Usually it's the shoulder itself. The first overhead press everything popped and it feels fantastic now, just buttery. Terrible analogy.
35*10,45*10,35*20
Lateral raise, machine:
85*12,70*17,55*20
T-Bar one handed shoulder press:
Bar+: 25*10 (each side) +35*10 (each side) +45*10 (each side)
T-BAR two handed press:
Bar+35*10, 25*20, just the bar*20
35lb cable core twisty thing stuff: 20 each side.
22.5lb cable (the lawn mower rip cord motion)*15 each side.
Side abdominal, holding a 35lb, each side*15
Crunch machine, 85lb*40, 110*30
AB DESTRUCTION...Lol.
Shrugs:
Smith machine (love this thing for shrugs): 110*20,135*15
And we're done! 1.25 hours with rest periods in-between sets. Phew. Great shoulder day. My elbow actually is what bothered me first. Usually it's the shoulder itself. The first overhead press everything popped and it feels fantastic now, just buttery. Terrible analogy.
sespress
Well-known member
Hey man you're all good! I was pms this morning or the overworked IT dude equivalent. I know you're just kidding =). I'm shocked my workout was so good with so little rest last few days.
hairygrandpa
Legend
Too much info to summarize, just take my word for it: No amount of exem/adex/tamox helped with TNT (Trest-Nipple-Trouble).
If I ever run trest again (probably IM Ment in future), it will be with a low dose of ralox and letro.
sespress
Well-known member
It's def noticable, insta bloated. But is already fading and today is my first day of PCT, took the last pin yesterday. Also today was ****. Lol, I had zero energy. A bit of some sweating, I'm starting to feel normal again just a real change over from all the outside steroids.