Habajaba's journey from geek to giant

mmorso said:
I hear that with the sweat. One thing to think about is that sweating actually pulls more of the product into the dermis... apparently Patrick Arnold wrote some sh1t on this.. I've been told that whatever doesn't get through the 1st layer of skin within 15 mins isn't going to get through..

My plan is to dose 1 pump pwo, hit the gym, then shower. 2nd dose on my lunch break 6 hrs later, then shower after work... idk I'm hoping that will minimize exposure but to be honest I feel a little guilty using this sh1t with a newborn in the house.
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I had bought the oral first, until I read about hgp's boobies from the oral. So I put that in for PWO (noon) only since it's better for that anyway. But that means the TD should be spaced out from there. I agree on the guilt. My kids are older, but it still feels weird to do, even with the small actual risk to the kids and wife. Honestly, I didn't realize the transfer risk when I bought the stuff. But either way, it's here and I'm doing it now. Just trying to be smart with it.

The only other strategy I can think of would be to do the 2nd dose post workout. I could do it, let it soak in 15-20 mins and then shower. I like that better in a way because then it's not getting on my sheets at night. But there's a bit of overlap there if the oral lasts 4 hours. It would probably have an hour left. Hrrrrm.
 
First impression is not great. I've been reading for months that trest oral is amazing for PWO use. Gotta admit, I felt nothing. If anything, I was just slightly more winded (although that's kinda normal for a Monday). Strength was normal, if not down a bit. Pump... MAYBE a little more?

Maybe I need 50mg instead of 25. But then I'm pushing 100mg/day of trest.
 
habajaba said:
First impression is not great. I've been reading for months that trest oral is amazing for PWO use. Gotta admit, I felt nothing. If anything, I was just slightly more winded (although that's kinda normal for a Monday). Strength was normal, if not down a bit. Pump... MAYBE a little more?

Maybe I need 50mg instead of 25. But then I'm pushing 150mg/day of trest.
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Interesting. I thought it was gonna be like crack cocaine on the muscles with the way Brandinooooo talks about it
 
habajaba said:
TRT doc is lowering my dosage as expected. They say they start everyone at 300mg and most go down to 200mg after 3 months. Doc said it in ml, and I think he said we were going from 1.4 to 1.3, or 1.3 to 1.2? It was a .1 drop either way. Assuming whatever concentration of test E they use puts me at 200mg now. That's every 2 weeks injections.

Levels 10 days post injection were 1450TT/240FT/68E. He said he really wants me at 190FT on the high end. He said my E is high, but he really doesn't even look at that test unless patients have gyno since some of the positive effects of TRT come from Estrogen in his opinion.

So now it's time to get serious. E is already up. I have pharma Ralox (60mg) and Exem (25mg) on hand. This cycle, I'm hoping the epistane helps a bit with estro, but it's going to take a while to kick in, I assume? Epi-andro usually takes 3 weeks to get full steam in my system. So what do you all think about exem dosing right out of the gate?
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I am really not very educated about aas's, but I have always been given test cyp for trt-it is my understanding that test cyp is long chain ether and test e is short chain, thus making injections of test cyp be more longer lasting....I am supposed to get 1 200mg injection of test cyp every 2 weeks but I have found that a 100mg injection every week works better and keeps things more on an even keel without test level going up and down so much between injections....if what I think is true it sounds odd that you would be getting 1 test e injection every 2 weeks???
 
mmorso said:
Interesting. I thought it was gonna be like crack cocaine on the muscles with the way Brandinooooo talks about it
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IKR? Thing is, my body is crazy resistant. PH cycles take longer to kick in, PWO don't tend to really juice me up, I don't feel coffee or caffeine at all, I can drink a lot without feeling it, etc. So I might just need 50mg.
 
thebigt said:
I am really not very educated about aas's, but I have always been given test cyp for trt-it is my understanding that test cyp is long chain ether and test e is short chain, thus making injections of test cyp be more longer lasting....I am supposed to get 1 200mg injection of test cyp every 2 weeks but I have found that a 100mg injection every week works better and keeps things more on an even keel without test level going up and down so much between injections....if what I think is true it sounds odd that you would be getting 1 test e injection every 2 weeks???
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So you got me. I swear the doc told me test E. But their site only talks about cyp. I will confirm at my next appt. But looks like I'm actually on test cyp.

I attached their write up on why they do every 2 weeks instead of weekly. I will say that I had been feeling pissier about 11-12 days in. So I went in every 10 days for a couple times and it was better. But the doc says I'm too high as is, so the pissiness can't be from low test. Personally I think it may be more to do with my body still adjusting to TRT. Time will tell.
 

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habajaba said:
So you got me. I swear the doc told me test E. But their site only talks about cyp. I will confirm at my next appt. But looks like I'm actually on test cyp.

I attached their write up on why they do every 2 weeks instead of weekly. I will say that I had been feeling pissier about 11-12 days in. So I went in every 10 days for a couple times and it was better. But the doc says I'm too high as is, so the pissiness can't be from low test. Personally I think it may be more to do with my body still adjusting to TRT. Time will tell.
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1st do you inject at home or have them do it in office? my wife injects me at home, so I have more options.

2nd even injecting once a week I get a boost after injection, which tells me test was starting to go lower...injecting more often[once a week versus every two weeks] will keep test level more even without the up's and down's....I have been on trt for going on 8 years now, all I can say is once a week works much better for me...also I have been told and read that injecting once a week versus every two weeks will also help with estrogen sides since you are keeping test level more even.
 
I go to the doc for injections and they refuse to do weekly. I may break down and start doing it myself. But I decided to do this way just to make sure it was done right first. I also am a wuss and not keen on injecting myself. I can see what you mean though. Regardless of the science, I do feel the up and down.
 
habajaba said:
I go to the doc for injections and they refuse to do weekly. I may break down and start doing it myself. But I decided to do this way just to make sure it was done right first. I also am a wuss and not keen on injecting myself. I can see what you mean though. Regardless of the science, I do feel the up and down.
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I have been on trt a long time now-everyone I have talked to has said more frequent injections is best, some have even recommended 50mg every 3-4 days to keep test levels even....here is another thing to consider, inconsistent test levels will increase estrogen.

my advice is to man up and take control of the situation.
 
thebigt said:
I have been on trt a long time now-everyone I have talked to has said more frequent injections is best, some have even recommended 50mg every 3-4 days to keep test levels even....here is another thing to consider, inconsistent test levels will increase estrogen.

my advice is to man up and take control of the situation.
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Do you get your script from a local doc or online? The other thing my doc tells everyone is to be real careful if not getting your trt shots from him because he uses the more expensive name brand pure stuff and many places use compounding pharmacies which can be dangerous.
 
habajaba said:
Do you get your script from a local doc or online? The other thing my doc tells everyone is to be real careful if not getting your trt shots from him because he uses the more expensive name brand pure stuff and many places use compounding pharmacies which can be dangerous.
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mine comes thru the VA pharmacy-Pfizer brand in a sealed vial....200mg vials, I have to use half at a time to get my 100mg, but it isn't a big deal.

I think your doc is giving you some sh1t, if he writes you a script you just take it to cvs..why would test cyp be compounded?
 
thebigt said:
mine comes thru the VA pharmacy-Pfizer brand in a sealed vial....200mg vials, I have to use half at a time to get my 100mg, but it isn't a big deal.

I think your doc is giving you some sh1t, if he writes you a script you just take it to cvs..why would test cyp be compounded?
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They won't write scripts because of privacy issues in the state. So if I went my own way, I'd also have to find a doc willing to write the script. I guess it doesn't have to be shared to the government if administered by a doc rather than prescribed. As for compounding, I have no idea. I'll try and find their PDF on that.
 
habajaba said:
They won't write scripts because of privacy issues in the state. So if I went my own way, I'd also have to find a doc willing to write the script. I guess it doesn't have to be shared to the government if administered by a doc rather than prescribed. As for compounding, I have no idea. I'll try and find their PDF on that.
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a doctor who won't write scripts-wtf......I would find a new doctor 'yesterday'.

what the hell is a doctor good for is he/she doesn't write scripts---hell, that is the only reason I go to my doctor-well actually scripts AND referrals!!!
 
thebigt said:
a doctor who won't write scripts-wtf......I would find a new doctor 'yesterday'.

what the hell is a doctor good for is he/she doesn't write scripts---hell, that is the only reason I go to my doctor-well actually scripts AND referrals!!!
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Well to be fair, it's a TRT clinic. And not to sound crazy, but I agree with the idea that it's better to not have my info submitted to the state. I don't trust the state to safeguard my info nor do I know what they might use that info for in the future. Also, I don't have (or want) a general practitioner doc. General practitioners suck. I find a specialist myself when and if I need it. In this case, this clinic seemed like the best reviewed and in line with what I was looking for. And honestly, I have no complaints except for that drop off for the last day or two. And the high estrogen, but even there, I have no symptoms. So it's not really an issue except for trying to use trest on top of it, which isn't really within his responsibility.

But yeah, I'm starting to lean more towards injecting myself. Slowly but surely.
 
habajaba said:
Well to be fair, it's a TRT clinic. And not to sound crazy, but I agree with the idea that it's better to not have my info submitted to the state. I don't trust the state to safeguard my info nor do I know what they might use that info for in the future. Also, I don't have (or want) a general practitioner doc. General practitioners suck. I find a specialist myself when and if I need it. In this case, this clinic seemed like the best reviewed and in line with what I was looking for. And honestly, I have no complaints except for that drop off for the last day or two. And the high estrogen, but even there, I have no symptoms. So it's not really an issue except for trying to use trest on top of it, which isn't really within his responsibility.

But yeah, I'm starting to lean more towards injecting myself. Slowly but surely.
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if you can't get a script how will you be able to inject yourself?

ok, this is starting to sound like a conversation with my wife, it is your health you can do what you want...I was just trying to help out!!!
 
habajaba said:
IKR? Thing is, my body is crazy resistant. PH cycles take longer to kick in, PWO don't tend to really juice me up, I don't feel coffee or caffeine at all, I can drink a lot without feeling it, etc. So I might just need 50mg.
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You're gonna get boobies...hehehe
 
thebigt said:
if you can't get a script how will you be able to inject yourself?

ok, this is starting to sound like a conversation with my wife, it is your health you can do what you want...I was just trying to help out!!!
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Hopefully youll get ahold of some Radiate!!! That should kick you into a new gear...ask Studhorse
 
thebigt said:
if you can't get a script how will you be able to inject yourself?

ok, this is starting to sound like a conversation with my wife, it is your health you can do what you want...I was just trying to help out!!!
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If I decide to make the leap, I'll have to find a new doc. I know of a couple online places. When I started TRT, I figured a physical doctor here would likely be more reputable and would inject for me. So I didn't worry much about it. Then they told me about the compounded stuff and I figured OK, he's keeping me safer too. At this point, though, I know enough to do the research and make sure I'm getting the good stuff. I just need to get over injecting myself and also giving my info to the state with a prescription.

But to be clear, I totally get what you're saying and I appreciate the feedback!
 
habajaba said:
If I decide to make the leap, I'll have to find a new doc. I know of a couple online places. When I started TRT, I figured a physical doctor here would likely be more reputable and would inject for me. So I didn't worry much about it. Then they told me about the compounded stuff and I figured OK, he's keeping me safer too. At this point, though, I know enough to do the research and make sure I'm getting the good stuff. I just need to get over injecting myself and also giving my info to the state with a prescription.

But to be clear, I totally get what you're saying and I appreciate the feedback!
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trt is long term, trust me you will be better off doing your own injections...go to the anti-aging or anabolics section-everyone of those guys will tell you every week is preferable over every two weeks!
 
So I can say 50mg of tr3st PWO does nothing for me. If anything, I feel like my endurance is down slightly and strength is just typical. I'm going to try 75 tomorrow and if still nothing, then dose 50mg just to get it in my system, not for the PWO benefit. I'd wonder if it was bunk, but I got the stuff from Nutriverse. The only other thing I can think is it's the newest batch. Could be accidentally underdosed by OLUK?

I took 12.5 exem Monday and my joints have been unhappy since. I was going to dose again today, but I still feel kinda creaky and am worried about making it worse. Debating what's worse. Boobies or injury. Also, I get my TRT shot tomorrow. So I'm just going to dose it tomorrow to head off the inevitable e2 increase from that on top of the trest.

Feeling basically nothing yet. Tomorrow will be day 5 and my 3rd lift day on trest. Still waiting on my epi. Hopefully will get started on that Monday.

Started talking to another doc. But looks like I'll need more bloods for them to take me on. So I'll have to finish my cycle first. Oh well. Will just live with things as they are for the next couple months. Not the end of the world.
 
Oh yeah, thanks thebigt for the kick in the pants on TRT. Kinda funny but i was doing some research and found one of the top clinics on the internet is about an hour away from me in Tampa. So I'm feeling good about the prospects of getting on a better program with self injecting on my timeline eventually.
 
habajaba said:
Oh yeah, thanks thebigt for the kick in the pants on TRT. Kinda funny but i was doing some research and found one of the top clinics on the internet is about an hour away from me in Tampa. So I'm feeling good about the prospects of getting on a better program with self injecting on my timeline eventually.
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good on you...I was just sharing stuff I have learned while on trt. if you ever have any questions-just ask!!!
 
Good lift today. I only dosed 50mg PWO again today because today is my 200mg test shot and I don't want to start working at Hooters yet. Will be dosing 12.5 exem tonight and then try 75mg PWO next week for sure.

Felt marginally stronger today, although Fridays tend to be that way. The trest is definitely reducing my endurance. Came in around 52 minutes today, a couple minutes off typical pace. I also have developed a bit of a cough. Kind of like a cold or bronchitis, I'll feel the need to cough to clear my chest occasionally. Although there's nothing coming out. And if I breathe in deeply, it'll cause me to cough too. Muscles are feeling more full throughout the day and vascularity is up. Body comp seems about the same... But it's only been a week. Hopefully next week my body will stop fighting this magic sauce and we can get down to business.
 
51:30 today. The endurance hit with trest is real. Can't seem to shake it. Feeling about the same strength-wise, which is a little disappointing. I ran 50mg oral trest again today because I forgot to try 75. Still dosing td 1mlx2 morning and afternoon.

The first week I went up 4.2#. Muscles definitely feel fuller but I also feel a bit puffier. Pinch of the gut feels similar, though. My ankles and neck are definitely unhappy with exemestane. Lots of creaking and achiness. So much so that I took an anti inflammatory today. I'm going to try e2d dosing and see if I can control the water retention without crippling myself.

I have word that my replacement for the lost package of epistane is now on the way. Wooo! Will be bringing that in next week, most likely.
 
Curious about Epistane. Trying to sort out my next cycle
 
Were expecting better strength at the expense of a little stamina?
 
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Curious about Epistane. Trying to sort out my next cycle
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Me too. I'm told trest + epistane is amazing. We shall see. I bough enough for a month of epi for this first run. But I've gotta say that trest has been a little disappointing so far on its own. Hoping it just takes a while to kick in, but my experience doesn't seem to match others.
 
ryane87 said:
Were expecting better strength at the expense of a little stamina?
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I'm willing to make that trade. Not sure what I expected. People were talking up trest PWO and having amazing sessions and I am just not seeing that. So as it stands, I'm losing endurance and really not getting stronger. I seem to still be getting bigger but it's really tough to tell how much is just water.
 
Hopefully your experience will improve. Especially considering the potential side-effects of the compound you are using.
 
Puffier today for sure. I can feel the jiggle doing cardio. Very unpleasant for someone who had already defeated that. In the mirror, I don't look "fatter" than before. Thinking/hoping that means my LBM is growing too. But feeling extra jiggle when doing jumping jacks and running is really not cool!

On a positive note, aches have subsided. Think this might mean my e2 is finally getting to be too much for my body. That said, still zero boob action. Sorry hairygrandpa and SFreed.

Thinking about going to exem EOD and seeing if I can't squash this bloat without crippling myself. Someone needs to invent an instant in home e2 test for us poor souls guessing at our levels!
 
habajaba said:
Puffier today for sure. I can feel the jiggle doing cardio. Very unpleasant for someone who had already defeated that. In the mirror, I don't look "fatter" than before. Thinking/hoping that means my LBM is growing too. But feeling extra jiggle when doing jumping jacks and running is really not cool!

On a positive note, aches have subsided. Think this might mean my e2 is finally getting to be too much for my body. That said, still zero boob action. Sorry hairygrandpa and SFreed.

Thinking about going to exem EOD and seeing if I can't squash this bloat without crippling myself. Someone needs to invent an instant in home e2 test for us poor souls guessing at our levels!
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So there's still a chance at some boobs, right?
 
Dosed 75mg PWO today. Still nothing special. About halfway through I did feel marginally stronger and a little more in the zone than normal. Endurance still lower, but I pushed hard and still finished in 51 flat. Not horrible.

Looking pretty good in the mirror, overall. But definitely some added jiggle from underboob to belt line. Doesn't LOOK worse or pinch bigger, but FEELS horrible.

Will hit my EOD dose of exem today and see what tomorrow brings!
 
habajaba said:
Dosed 75mg PWO today. Still nothing special. About halfway through I did feel marginally stronger and a little more in the zone than normal. Endurance still lower, but I pushed hard and still finished in 51 flat. Not horrible.

Looking pretty good in the mirror, overall. But definitely some added jiggle from underboob to belt line. Doesn't LOOK worse or pinch bigger, but FEELS horrible.

Will hit my EOD dose of exem today and see what tomorrow brings!
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75mg oral trest pwo?
 
Yesterday's​ cardio was solid. Notable that I took 50mg oral trest mid day but didn't work out til late afternoon. Seems the negative endurance effects are coming from my PWO dosing. I may stop that and dose it post workout.

Today, I dosed 75mg PWO and hit the weights. Felt pretty typical. Kinda blah, kinda not wanting to work out. But I got it done. 2/3 through, I felt a little more zoned in. But the whole workout was a struggle, endurance-wise. Really having to push to keep pace. Still not increasing weight or reps, either.

I still think I'm gaining some LBM and still look ok in the mirror. Exem EOD has stopped the bloat and I feel back to normal.

The epi can't get here soon enough. I need something to kick this up a notch.
 
habajaba said:
Yesterday's​ cardio was solid. Notable that I took 50mg oral trest mid day but didn't work out til late afternoon. Seems the negative endurance effects are coming from my PWO dosing. I may stop that and dose it post workout.

Today, I dosed 75mg PWO and hit the weights. Felt pretty typical. Kinda blah, kinda not wanting to work out. But I got it done. 2/3 through, I felt a little more zoned in. But the whole workout was a struggle, endurance-wise. Really having to push to keep pace. Still not increasing weight or reps, either.

I still think I'm gaining some LBM and still look ok in the mirror. Exem EOD has stopped the bloat and I feel back to normal.

The epi can't get here soon enough. I need something to kick this up a notch.
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Weird.
30mg pwo gave me noticeable aggression, every time.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Get ready for boobies!
Have you letro at hand?
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Haha. I have pharma ralox and nolva as well as the exem. I think my body handles e2 well because trt had me up to 68 on its own and I had no sides. Actually felt great.

Pretty sure I have e2 under control as bloat is gone. I'm also a little creaky, which seems to tell me my body actually wouldn't mind a little more e2. But it's not horrible and I'd rather that than let it get out of hand.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Weird.
30mg pwo gave me noticeable aggression, every time.
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I am beginning to think maybe my body just doesn't respond to this compound. It's pretty puzzling. The oral came right from Nutriverse. The TD came from someone's personal stash because Nutriverse was out of stock. The label on it has purple writing on it instead of the red on the new ones. But regardless of how legit the TD might be, the guaranteed legit oral isn't having the expected effects.
 
habajaba said:
Haha. I have pharma ralox and nolva as well as the exem. I think my body handles e2 well because trt had me up to 68 on its own and I had no sides. Actually felt great.

Pretty sure I have e2 under control as bloat is gone. I'm also a little creaky, which seems to tell me my body actually wouldn't mind a little more e2. But it's not horrible and I'd rather that than let it get out of hand.
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Still having high hopes for boobies. :)
Good call having ralox, nolva did nothing for me -nor exem or adex.
 
habajaba said:
I am beginning to think maybe my body just doesn't respond to this compound. It's pretty puzzling. The oral came right from Nutriverse. The TD came from someone's personal stash because Nutriverse was out of stock. The label on it has purple writing on it instead of the red on the new ones. But regardless of how legit the TD might be, the guaranteed legit oral isn't having the expected effects.
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Seriously weird. Never heard of someone not responding to trest, especially when "dosing it like a man". It may kick in a bit late for you.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Still having high hopes for boobies. :)
Good call having ralox, nolva did nothing for me -nor exem or adex.
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Ha! Thanks a lot, brother!

I got Ralox specifically for this. Nolva is actually just left over from my last PCT. Might not hurt in a pinch, but not really planning on using it.

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Seriously weird. Never heard of someone not responding to trest, especially when "dosing it like a man". It may kick in a bit late for you.
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I know! I either dose things like a man or a he-man, depending on the compound :). It's possible I'm delayed, for sure. It takes me a good 3 weeks for epi-andro to kick in. I just think it's weird that I don't feel the oral really at all, because there's no real delay at all for most people, right? Like they feel it pretty much the first time they take it...
 
habajaba said:
Ha! Thanks a lot, brother!

I got Ralox specifically for this. Nolva is actually just left over from my last PCT. Might not hurt in a pinch, but not really planning on using it.



I know! I either does things like a man or a he-man, depending on the compound :). It's possible I'm delayed, for sure. It takes me a good 3 weeks for epi-andro to kick in. I just think it's weird that I don't feel the oral really at all, because there's no real delay at all for most people, right? Like they feel it pretty much the first time they take it...
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Because of the short HL you should feel it right away.
Would be a bummer if you don't respond to it.
I don't know any other stuff kicking in instantly, anadrol maybe, not sure -never tried.

I took it 1.5 hrs before training, when do you do?
 
hairygrandpa said:
Because of the short HL you should feel it right away.
Would be a bummer if you don't respond to it.
I don't know any other stuff kicking in instantly, anadrol maybe, not sure -never tried.

I took it 1.5 hrs before training, when do you do?
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I have been doing an hour. Will try 1.5 next week. I thought I had seen people feeling it within 20 minutes. Maybe Brandinooooo?

I don't know much about how the body works, but it seems like mine fights new stuff for a while. But once it gets used to it, then it lets the compound take effect. Maybe liver filtering it out? I dunno. But I wonder/hope that might be a similar case here.
 
Been feeling creaky since yesterday evening. I'm going to go back to dosing exem e2d and see. Looks like the epistane will get here Monday now (USPS really hosed me here). With that being a dry compound, I'm thinking of going to exem e3d after a week or so on the epi.

I'm down 3.8# this week. So 2 weeks in, I'm up 0.4# and look pretty similar in the mirror. Well, I do have a little more vascularity, but that's about it.

I'm also mildly pissy again, somewhat like I was before going on TRT. If I was getting more aggression in the gym, that would be ok. But I'm not. Just more annoyed and pissy with people.

I'm not expecting magic here. But so far, trest has been a disappointment. It is a royal pain to keep tweaking my ai to control bloat. I'd be ok with it if I was getting serious gains, but I just don't think that's happening. I'm gaining some LBM. But I think I've done as well if not better on Epidrone, which is way less hassle on the side effects and application/transfer issues of a transdermal.
 
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