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The thing is if NZ had over decades millions of people flooding the country illegally (they do only have about 4.5 million people) and eventually using up the people's services its going to go broke. People may be tempted to hire cheap labor, I dunno just a guess.

I dunno about NZ immigration other than its firstly hard to get there....second I know alot of illegal immigration that crosses near Australia end up on some deserted prison camp island far away from Australia so thats another obstacle. I dunno the exact facts but I do know there are human rights groups concerned about that Australian immigrant concentration camp.

I wanna visit NZ some day, it sounds nice there.
We are a high target location (like Australia) for illegal immigrants who use boats to get here almost undetected, and who are employed for jobs like fruit picking which NZers don't typically go for as it is seasonal, contractual work, and so we rarely compete for jobs with immigrants like you might in the US.
 
I rarely do fast foods either---red lobster, texas steak house, olive garden, panera's are more my style...but I would still support a protest of Wendy's.
I don't eat out that often, but I do go to Taco Tuesdays at Tijuana Flats, and the Texas Roadhouse near me has amazing steak and ribs, and a really nice country atmosphere with great and enthusiastic service. There's also a local sushi buffet I really like, and hibachi is always fun. The only fast food I ever really get is the Chick-Fil-A on campus because they have grilled chicken.
 
I definitely think automation is a threat, but I believe that threat exists regardless of min wage
 
I don't eat out that often, but I do go to Taco Tuesdays at Tijuana Flats, and the Texas Roadhouse near me has amazing steak and ribs, and a really nice country atmosphere with great and enthusiastic service. There's also a local sushi buffet I really like, and hibachi is always fun. The only fast food I ever really get is the Chick-Fil-A on campus because they have grilled chicken.

lol...I forgot about chick-fil-a!!!:food: that is where I stop at when I am on the road!!!
 
I definitely think automation is a threat, but I believe that threat exists regardless of min wage

I agree completely...but the question still remains---who will buy their stuff when no one has jobs?

automation is unsustainable in the long run, imo.
 
PDQ also has good chicken, and really good sauces. It's a bit more expensive than fast food, but it's so much better quality and taste.

if I take my omeprazole I can handle popeye's every once in awhile, greasy but damned tasty!!!
 
I agree completely...but the question still remains---who will buy their stuff when no one has jobs?

automation is unsustainable in the long run, imo.
It will be to a degree. IMO it is only a real threat to some industrys but not others. Kinda like the internet and print media
 
It will be to a degree. IMO it is only a real threat to some industrys but not others. Kinda like the internet and print media

how much unemployment is sustainable? at the rate automation is going in 10 years I could see unemployment as high as 15-20%....I don't think that is sustainable!!!
 
I agree completely...but the question still remains---who will buy their stuff when no one has jobs?

automation is unsustainable in the long run, imo.

Let's say the entire fast food industry becomes automated. Why are you seeing the collapse of everything as a result of that? There will be plenty of people that stil have jobs. The world was fine before fast food minimum wage jobs and the world will be fine after it. Companies go out of business and entire industries disappear, but people adapt.
 
Let's say the entire fast food industry becomes automated. Why are you seeing the collapse of everything as a result of that? There will be plenty of people that stil have jobs. The world was fine before fast food minimum wage jobs and the world will be fine after it. Companies go out of business and entire industries disappear, but people adapt.

I SAID IN 10 YEARS....look at the world of transportation, there are a very large number of well paying jobs in that industry. ...not to mention the manufacturing industry. Jiigzz says amazon is fully automated, a whole lot of jobs are involved in warehousing. in fact there are very few industry's that won't be impacted by automation within the next 10 years.

geez, man I should not have to tell you these things, get up to speed, lol.
 
I SAID IN 10 YEARS....look at the world of transportation, there are a very large number of well paying jobs in that industry. ...not to mention the manufacturing industry. Jiigzz says amazon is fully automated, a whole lot of jobs are involved in warehousing. in fact there are very few industry's that won't be impacted by automation within the next 10 years.

geez, man I should not have to tell you these things, get up to speed, lol.
It is something concerning to think about, but no one answered my related question:
Should we have protested advancements in phone technology so that switchboard operators didn't lose their jobs?
 
It is something concerning to think about, but no one answered my related question:

you know better than that...at the time switchboard operators were being replaced technology was advancing slowly but steadily, today technology is very rapid and moving at the speed of sound...before at the rate it was progressing people had a chance to digest and make adjustments, now something that is high tech today will be old school in less than a year.
 
you know better than that...at the time switchboard operators were being replaced technology was advancing slowly but steadily, today technology is very rapid and moving at the speed of sound...before at the rate it was progressing people had a chance to digest and make adjustments, now something that is high tech today will be old school in less than a year.
But isn't the underlying theme still the same? These advancements in technology have kept prices down (think about the price of a USB flash-drive today vs 10+ years ago), and improved quality of life for many people (even our "cheap" phones are basically supercomputers compared to what we had 10+ years ago), etc. Do we avoid innovation and advances for the sake of maintaining the status quo? Look at the government that's giving Uber and other driver services a hard time because it's hurting the taxi industry, and the government's income, but I know I like Uber a hell of a lot better than taxis. I don't have all the answers; maybe it'll be like Wall-E where robots do all the work for us while we sit on our a$$es all day.
 
i would like to see those sorry assed protesters do something productive for once....protest and boycott Wendy's and refuse to buy at a robotic kiosk!!!
company I worked for made them. ;)

Their coming big and fast across the industry. They require no breaks, holidays, health insurance drug tests nor a paycheck. They are multilingual (text) and can count and add...
 
But isn't the underlying theme still the same? These advancements in technology have kept prices down (think about the price of a USB flash-drive today vs 10+ years ago), and improved quality of life for many people (even our "cheap" phones are basically supercomputers compared to what we had 10+ years ago), etc. Do we avoid innovation and advances for the sake of maintaining the status quo? Look at the government that's giving Uber and other driver services a hard time because it's hurting the taxi industry, and the government's income, but I know I like Uber a hell of a lot better than taxis. I don't have all the answers; maybe it'll be like Wall-E where robots do all the work for us while we sit on our a$$es all day.

slow down a minute young man...you are missing the point. I am not against innovation, I am saying it is progressing at a pace that society is incapable of adjusting to. in my youth things also progressed but at a much slower pace which allowed us to adapt to changing times.
 
company I worked for made them. ;)

Their coming big and fast across the industry. They require no breaks, holidays, health insurance drug tests nor a paycheck. They are multilingual (text) and can count and add...

are you in favor of higher unemployment, or would you rather see those people working?
 
slow down a minute young man...you are missing the point. I am not against innovation, I am saying it is progressing at a pace that society is incapable of adjusting to. in my youth things also progressed but at a much slower pace which allowed us to adapt to changing times.
Haha, so what is your suggestion? The only sensible way to slow this innovation would be for people to voluntarily decide not to buy from companies that use them; it would be, in my opinion, very foolish to establish laws prohibiting these technologies from being used by businesses, and even more unwise to prevent or slow research and development of these new technologies. Again, I don't have all the answers, and I know that.
 
If a job can easily be replaced by a computer, then people need to adapt and stop settling. Why should we slow progress for everybody else because a small group of people don't want to try another job?

Plus when you punch in your own order on a touchscreen, you no longer worry about if the clerk takes your order wrong.
 
Haha, so what is your suggestion? The only sensible way to slow this innovation would be for people to voluntarily decide not to buy from companies that use them; it would be, in my opinion, very foolish to establish laws prohibiting these technologies from being used by businesses, and even more unwise to prevent or slow research and development of these new technologies. Again, I don't have all the answers, and I know that.

look at your 1st sentence...that is exactly what I am hoping people will do.... if you go back and look that is what I said to start this conversation....protest against and don't buy from Wendy's....I used Wendy's and fast food as the starting point because technology has just started replacing jobs in that industry...we need to make a stand!!!
 
Plus when you punch in your own order on a touchscreen, you no longer worry about if the clerk takes your order wrong.

and you get to pay for that clerk being on welfare.....personally I would rather see that person working.
 
look at your 1st sentence...that is exactly what I am hoping people will do.... if you go back and look that is what I said to start this conversation....protest against and don't buy from Wendy's....I used Wendy's and fast food as the starting point because technology has just started replacing jobs in that industry...we need to make a stand!!!
I get what you're saying, I just wanted to clarify more of my stance on the issue.

Plus when you punch in your own order on a touchscreen, you no longer worry about if the clerk takes your order wrong.
This. It's pretty convenient to place an order for a custom pizza online (computer or phone) and know that they know exactly what to make, and that something wasn't added, forgotten, or lost in translation. Perhaps ordering from phones will become the big thing, sort of like Amazon's store idea, as almost everyone already has a smartphone already.
 
and you get to pay for that clerk being on welfare.....personally I would rather see that person working.
There's no other job that they can find? The only possible job they can have is as a cashier? Perhaps they should work on developing some other skills that could help them land and keep a job. I do understand what you're saying though.
 
When the min wage goes up, spending goes up. You can afford to spend more.

You dont start by getting people to buy pricier items, you start by increasing the min wage. Because in the US its pathetic.

But other people have to be willing to buy the more expensive product. Otherwise those products don't get sold and the company that pays the burger flipper doesn't make enough sales to keep $15/hr employee on payroll. If companies are forced to pay more per hour, then they will cut the employees hours to make the difference zero out.

For example, when Obamacare employer mandate started to kick in, many companies cut hours of their employees. My wife worked part time 30 hours or so. Obamacare regs said fulltime was like 32 hrs/week, we'll under 40hrs. If you had full time employees, you had to provide insurance. So the hospital system my wife worked for, based out of Nashville I think, cut her 3phr part time job back to a 20hr/week PRN position. Since they knocked hundreds or more of their employees into a PRN status, they no longer counted to their head count roll foe Obamacare regs.
 
I get what you're saying, I just wanted to clarify more of my stance on the issue.


This. It's pretty convenient to place an order for a custom pizza online (computer or phone) and know that they know exactly what to make, and that something wasn't added, forgotten, or lost in translation. Perhaps ordering from phones will become the big thing, sort of like Amazon's store idea, as almost everyone already has a smartphone already.

for every action there is a reaction....you do away with menial jobs and you have a good number of people who are incapable of any other job....I admire people who aren't blessed with high intelligence, but who do what they can with what they have....

geez, I can't believe the way some people look down on those who aren't as blessed as they are!!!
 
we don't really have janitors, but we have contracted cleaning staff. I have no idea what they make as they are not university employed. We only have uni employed cleaning managers who coordinate externals

If cleaning staff is contracted, the company doesn't pay the minimum wage.
 
If my fast food or restaurant service is given to a robot, I will not visit that place. I prefer human interaction any day of the week.

I just saw that Amazon has an almost completely automated warehouse now. That's scary

Not a warehouse, it's a grocery store. The emploeyes can shop their for testing and feasibility.
 
But other people have to be willing to buy the more expensive product. Otherwise those products don't get sold and the company that pays the burger flipper doesn't make enough sales to keep $15/hr employee on payroll. If companies are forced to pay more per hour, then they will cut the employees hours to make the difference zero out.

For example, when Obamacare employer mandate started to kick in, many companies cut hours of their employees. My wife worked part time 30 hours or so. Obamacare regs said fulltime was like 32 hrs/week, we'll under 40hrs. If you had full time employees, you had to provide insurance. So the hospital system my wife worked for, based out of Nashville I think, cut her 3phr part time job back to a 20hr/week PRN position. Since they knocked hundreds or more of their employees into a PRN status, they no longer counted to their head count roll foe Obamacare regs.


Obamacare was ill conceived, but has nothing to do with minimum wage!!!

when minimum wage goes up wages go up across the board, it has been so long since the last raise that people forget this...bull**** on companies not being able to afford higher wages, anyone looked at the stock market lately?
 
for every action there is a reaction....you do away with menial jobs and you have a good number of people who are incapable of any other job....I admire people who aren't blessed with high intelligence, but who do what they can with what they have....

geez, I can't believe the way some people look down on those who aren't as blessed as they are!!!
I'm not looking down on anyone, don't judge others or make assumptions. We still need other customer-service/retail/etc based positions, at least for the foreseeable future, so that's still an option. Then there's always the topic that people don't seem to want to discuss that is migrant workers. They're very, very often being payed well under minimum wage, but a lot of people don't seem to complain about that. Additionally, these are jobs that many Americans wouldn't want to work, even if they were payed minimum wage. Do we continue to turn a blind eye to that? Do we push to give the migrant workers minimum wage? Do we get rid of illegal migrant workers and have Americans work these jobs? Are there even enough Americans willing to work these jobs? Are enough Americans willing to pay more money for food/produce/etc if we pay all migrant workers minimum wage? There are many questions here.
 
Obamacare was ill conceived, but has nothing to do with minimum wage!!!

when minimum wage goes up wages go up across the board, it has been so long since the last raise that people forget this...bull**** on companies not being able to afford higher wages, anyone looked at the stock market lately?
Do wages going up across the board lead to inflation?
 
If cleaning staff is contracted, the company doesn't pay the minimum wage.
Minimum wage of the uni? That I wouldn't doubt. But they do employ inter faculty mail men who are paid the minimum ;)
 
for every action there is a reaction....you do away with menial jobs and you have a good number of people who are incapable of any other job....I admire people who aren't blessed with high intelligence, but who do what they can with what they have....

geez, I can't believe the way some people look down on those who aren't as blessed as they are!!!

oh yeah, don't forget crime...you put those people out of work watch the crime rate go up---I will put big money on it!!!!
 
Not a warehouse, it's a grocery store. The emploeyes can shop their for testing and feasibility.
It is their mailing room facility. Literally where all their package items are picked and sent. Humans do the picking, but most other stuff is automated
 
But other people have to be willing to buy the more expensive product. Otherwise those products don't get sold and the company that pays the burger flipper doesn't make enough sales to keep $15/hr employee on payroll. If companies are forced to pay more per hour, then they will cut the employees hours to make the difference zero out.

For example, when Obamacare employer mandate started to kick in, many companies cut hours of their employees. My wife worked part time 30 hours or so. Obamacare regs said fulltime was like 32 hrs/week, we'll under 40hrs. If you had full time employees, you had to provide insurance. So the hospital system my wife worked for, based out of Nashville I think, cut her 3phr part time job back to a 20hr/week PRN position. Since they knocked hundreds or more of their employees into a PRN status, they no longer counted to their head count roll foe Obamacare regs.
Other countries pay "burger flippers" $15+ per hour and still profits soar. Not sure why you think they wouldn't
 
Obamacare was ill conceived, but has nothing to do with minimum wage!!!

when minimum wage goes up wages go up across the board, it has been so long since the last raise that people forget this...bull**** on companies not being able to afford higher wages, anyone looked at the stock market lately?

Im not saying Obamacare is tied to minimum wage. I made the example to illustrate when government mandates a company do something that hurts their bottom line, they will adapt to lessen that pain. Just likeep someone posted abut companies will adapt or go out of business. They will always protect the bottom line.
 
Im not saying Obamacare is tied to minimum wage. I made the example to illustrate when government mandates a company do something that hurts their bottom line, they will adapt to lessen that pain. Just likeep someone posted abut companies will adapt or go out of business. They will always protect the bottom line.

Obamacare cost business' much more than raising minimum wage would have...and prices didn't go up any more than they would have without it, imo!!!
 
Because American innovation is going to turn to kiosks to lower the labor costs, so their profits will soar when they pay them $15.

not if enough people reject kiosks...it's about time those protesters protested something worth protesting!!!
 
Again, I'm not sure if the people are willing to pay a bit more and/or be a little inconvenienced to do this, but we'll see.

as far as I know it is still in the experimental stage, so no difference in price or convenience. if people let it slide and it is a success say good bye to a whole lot of jobs....and watch the crime rate skyrocket---it will cost much more to house those people in jails and prisons than to pay them a fair wage, but what do corporations care as long as profits are up....but remember, it is you and me who WILL pay!!!

there are always consequences....
 
I SAID IN 10 YEARS....look at the world of transportation, there are a very large number of well paying jobs in that industry. ...not to mention the manufacturing industry. Jiigzz says amazon is fully automated, a whole lot of jobs are involved in warehousing. in fact there are very few industry's that won't be impacted by automation within the next 10 years.

geez, man I should not have to tell you these things, get up to speed, lol.

What is it you think I'm misunderstanding? Make it 10 years, fine. Make it 20 or 50 years. The world will be a better place if those jobs are replaced.
 
What is it you think I'm misunderstanding? Make it 10 years, fine. Make it 20 or 50 years. The world will be a better place if those jobs are replaced.

please explain how higher unemployment makes the world a better place....
 
please explain how higher unemployment makes the world a better place....

I said adapt! I never said I wanted higher unemployment. As technologies and industries evolve, there will be new jobs created in areas that never existed before. People need to stop clinging to the past and slowing the rest of us down.
 
please explain how higher unemployment makes the world a better place....
It goes back to the example of switchboard operators I gave before. Ignoring the timeframe it takes for these jobs to become obsolete (the potential effects of drastic and sudden changes effecting unemployment, especially in the short term) if we were adamant about preventing the implementation of technological advances that would terminate these jobs, we would not have much of the technology and tools/devices/etc that greatly improve our quality of life. I think that's what he was saying.
 
as far as I know it is still in the experimental stage, so no difference in price or convenience. if people let it slide and it is a success say good bye to a whole lot of jobs....and watch the crime rate skyrocket---it will cost much more to house those people in jails and prisons than to pay them a fair wage, but what do corporations care as long as profits are up....but remember, it is you and me who WILL pay!!!

there are always consequences....

We are on a cusp of an entire civilization change as we know it and the way we all function in life.

I know Ive posted this many times over the years, but I will post it yet again. Its a warning here as well as our transition is the most dangerous and might get wiped out.

 
I said adapt! I never said I wanted higher unemployment. As technologies and industries evolve, there will be new jobs created in areas that never existed before. People need to stop clinging to the past and slowing the rest of us down.





there are many who work low paying jobs because that is all they are capable of doing, I give them a lot of credit for doing the best they can with what they have...you are blessed and have a bright future ahead of you, but what do we do with those who are not so blessed?
 
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